Moves That Were Almost Made

[joseephuss]

It wasn't Renfro, it was Butch Johnson.

Wasn't it Butch Johnson traded to the Oilers for Mike Renfro and a 5th rounder?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

There is a way to know what Detroit would have taken for Williams. Matt Millen said in an interview that they would have taken a first, but Jerry kept sweetening the offer. Millen said they could have gotten more out of Jerry if they would have asked. I feel like he should know if anybody does.

Wait so Millen said...we'll take a 1st...and Jerry was like no you'l take a 1st and a 3rd!

That's what you believe happened?

 

[joseephuss]

No. The Cowboys had to give up a small ransom for Dorsett. They didn't have the first overall pick.

And I don't know if the Cowboys would have used Walter any better than they used Dorsett. Landry didn't use Dorsett as much because he was small, and he didn't want him to get hurt. He was forced into playing Dorsett more. I love Landry, but he was definitely old school.

At the time Dorsett retired he was 3rd all-time in rushing attempts. In his second year he was 4th in the league in rushing attempts. Landry used him. Landry also said that he was concerned with his size and ability to absorb hits. Landry mentioned he wasn't big like Earl Campbell and was different that Walter Payton who was probably the toughest small back he had seen. Landry would have easily found ways to get Payton the ball.

 

[joseephuss]

Randy Moss has never been on a Superbowl winning team. He was on a good Vikings team and couldn't make the Superbowl. He was on a very bad Raiders team and that was an utter disaster. He was on a very good Patriots team and got to the SB, but didn't win it. What was Dallas during most of that time? I would say they were better than the Raiders, but not as good as the Vikings. If he didn't win a SB with them there is no reason to believe he would have won one with Dallas.

 

[birdwells1]

No way. Really?? I hadn't heard that one before.

I heard It and Galloway stands by it.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

Not sure if this was mentioned already but that one off season where nhamdi ( sp? ) finnnagan and Carr were available. As much as Carr gets bashed around here he was definetly the best DB for both short term and long term for us. The other two have been disasters.

 

[theSHOW]

DEION WOULD BE 100 FREEKIN TIMES the GM that Jerry is.

If fact, this entire thread is a tribute to HOW STUPID and MORONIC jerry jones is!!!!

Yeah, like that idiotic Hershel Walker trade that we got abused on. This is not a bash jerry thread. We are talking about great historical trades in Cowboys history that "almost" happened, and many longtime fans are giving up some special stuff. Pay attention.

 

[jnday]

Any chance that Millen is trying to play up his one good move as a GM?

I don't think he has to lie.

 

[trueblue1687]

Aikman retired because nobody wanted to pick him up because of injuries. He was throwing out feelers to see if he could play with another team. I believe one of them was KC or Miami, I can't remember which one.

Right...because of Injuries. He's still the name synonymous with concussion. That's why he never played again.

 

[trueblue1687]

He has and does utilize the final decision, if he is unsure of someone he will defer to his staff. Good for him he still fails at the other 90 percent of being a GM.

Of course....youre on that bandwagon. Boring mantra.

 

[Jerryrage]

In 2009 Dallas wanted Unger but Seattle jumped ahead and took him. We were stuck with Jason Williams in perhaps one of the worst drafts in NFL history for a team, 12 picks 0 starters remaining and outside of Williams I don't think any of them are still in the league. You almost have to try to be that bad.

The 2009 draft - wow . If you think about that draft, the players would be in their prime right now. Four years in, that's why this team has so many holes.

 

[Randy White]

Wow! Now that's WILD speculation considering Acheman retired due to getting drilled into the turf and not lack of interest. If I recall, Irvin retired due to the discovery of a narrowed vertabrae after getting tackled hard in Philly. How could moss have extended their careers, was he a world renowned physician too?

Who said, or even implied, that Aikman retired due to lack of interest ?

Troy Aikman retired due to the pounding he received in his last couple of years and Irvin's not being there, as well as Novacek not being there, contributed heavily to that pounding. Randy Moss wearing a Cowboys uniform would have, at the very least, made up for a good portion of those two's absence.

As far as Irvin is concerned, that's why I said " in a twist of fate "..

 

[joseephuss]

Who said, or even implied, that Aikman retired due to lack of interest ?

Troy Aikman retired due to the pounding he received in his last couple of years and Irvin's not being there, as well as Novacek not being there, contributed heavily to that pounding. Randy Moss wearing a Cowboys uniform would have, at the very least, made up for a good portion of those two's absence.

As far as Irvin is concerned, that's why I said " in a twist of fate "..

Aikman took a physical pounding his entire NFL career and in college, too. He was a very old 34 when he retired. He had numerous significant injuries in his career without even counting his concussion issues.

 

[Randy White]

Actually his first love that year was Junior Seau, Then he was gunning for Francis. When Francis was taken, he saw Emmitt falling and traded up to get him.

Ironic, isn't it ? It was Jimmah Jenius' own stupid mistake that cost the Cowboys Junior Seau. The mistake's name is Steve Walsh.

Imagine that: Junior Seau and Emmitt Smith in the same draft.

 

[joseephuss]

Ironic, isn't it ? It was Jimmah Jenius' own stupid mistake that cost the Cowboys Junior Seau. The mistake's name is Steve Walsh.

Imagine that: Junior Seau and Emmitt Smith in the same draft.

It would have been nice. Although if Dallas gets Seau 1st overall maybe they don't make the trade up to get Emmitt later in that round.

 

[Randy White]

Aikman took a physical pounding his entire NFL career and in college, too. He was a very old 34 when he retired. He had numerous significant injuries in his career without even counting his concussion issues.

Aikman retired early because of a bad back that was exacerbated by the extreme pounding ( took 3 epidural shots that year, if I remember correctly ) he went through during the '00 season. That was mostly due to not having Joey Galloway and James McKnight being the leading receiver that year, as well as a suspect O-line. Yes, his 8 concussions ( at least the recorded ones ), was also a factor, but he had played with them his entire career.

 

[Randy White]

It would have been nice. Although if Dallas gets Seau 1st overall maybe they don't make the trade up to get Emmitt later in that round.

Naa.. one didn't have anything to do with the other. The reason why Dallas traded up, iirc, was because the Giants were in line to pick just ahead of them and they too were looking for a RB. Ended up taking Rodney Hampton, but wanted Emmitt Smith.

John Wooten was the Cowboys' scout who advice Jimmah that he needed to move up to get Emmitt because the Giants were going to take him.

 

[trueblue1687]

Who said, or even imislied, that Aikman retired due to lack of interest ?

Troy Aikman retired due to the pounding he received in his last couple of years and Irvin's not being there, as well as Novacek not being there, contributed heavily to that pounding. Randy Moss wearing a Cowboys uniform would have, at the very least, made up for a good portion of those two's absence.

As far as Irvin is concerned, that's why I said " in a twist of fate "..

Saying Aikman would have extended his career by virtue of randy moss Is the definition of a stretch. If you're trying to make the argument that having one wr - even a very capable one - would have reduced concussions to the extent he would have played 2 or 3 more seasons is flatly ridiculous. That seems to be your inference. I merely pointed out what you initially failed to: that Aikman retired due mostly to concussions, not lack of all pro wr or te...which would essentially be a lack of interest. So, my friend, you OP sounded remarkably like a lack of interest argument.

 

[xwalker]

The 2009 draft - wow . If you think about that draft, the players would be in their prime right now. Four years in, that's why this team has so many holes.

They would also be free agent that would cost the same about as free agent from other teams.

The Cowboys could have pick OG Andy Levitre in the 2nd round of the 2009 draft. The Bills did pick him. He is now a member of the Titans.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Desean Jackson, Brandon Flowers, and Percy Harvin were all of Dallas' draft board for character concerns.