Moves That Were Almost Made

jnday

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,292
Reaction score
11,422
Wait so Millen said...we'll take a 1st...and Jerry was like no you'l take a 1st and a 3rd!

That's what you believe happened?

Use some common sense when reading my post. I take Millen's word on the trade . I sure won't give Jerry credit for having a history of being smart when trading. The info is in my post. You figure it out.
 

Toruk_Makto

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,242
Reaction score
17,336
Use some common sense when reading my post. I take Millen's word on the trade . I sure won't give Jerry credit for having a history of being smart when trading. The info is in my post. You figure it out.

Your post doesn't make sense. Jerry can be accused of many things. A bad businessman? Good luck making that case.
 

Apollo Creed

Stackin and Processin, Well
Messages
9,027
Reaction score
1,223
Pretty sure it was this simple. Romo got hurt, Jerry panicked after Romo got hurt and had seen Roy Williams (back when he was decent) dominate us a handful of times. Called Detroit, offered 1st and the Lions brass played hard ball - knowing they'd settle for a 1st, Jerry called back and 'sweetened' the deal. From what I remember the GM from the Lions was quote 'clapping his feet' when they got a 1st, 3rd, and 7th for a guy they were going to let go in the offseason anyway.

Not sure what happened with Roy, he was talented and a playmaker early in his career - then he become the team's 4th or 5th option behind guys like Patrick Crayton.
 

Alexander

What's it going to be then, eh?
Messages
62,482
Reaction score
67,294
Pretty sure it was this simple. Romo got hurt, Jerry panicked after Romo got hurt and had seen Roy Williams (back when he was decent) dominate us a handful of times. Called Detroit, offered 1st and the Lions brass played hard ball - knowing they'd settle for a 1st, Jerry called back and 'sweetened' the deal. From what I remember the GM from the Lions was quote 'clapping his feet' when they got a 1st, 3rd, and 7th for a guy they were going to let go in the offseason anyway.

Not sure what happened with Roy, he was talented and a playmaker early in his career - then he become the team's 4th or 5th option behind guys like Patrick Crayton.

Jerry Jones and Jones alone was the driving force behind that trade. He even had people in the organization screaming "NO!" and he did it anyway.

Mayhew schooled him upside down and sideways.
 

EGTuna

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,250
Reaction score
1,657
When McNabb got hurt in 2004, Andy Reid reached out to Aikman about coming out of retirement, but Aikman declined. Aikman's mentioned this a few times.
 

cej757

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,723
Reaction score
1,878
It's pretty easy to figure out how this went..
Jerry - Would you take a 1st?
Lions - Let us think about it.
Impatient Jerry - Ok what about a 1st & 3rd & 7th

The original deal was Miles Austin and 1st rd pick For Roy Williams
Jerry took Miles out of the deal and offered a 3rd instead
 

Randy White

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,167
Reaction score
80
Saying Aikman would have extended his career by virtue of randy moss Is the definition of a stretch. If you're trying to make the argument that having one wr - even a very capable one - would have reduced concussions to the extent he would have played 2 or 3 more seasons is flatly ridiculous. That seems to be your inference. I merely pointed out what you initially failed to: that Aikman retired due mostly to concussions, not lack of all pro wr or te...which would essentially be a lack of interest. So, my friend, you OP sounded remarkably like a lack of interest argument.

And your point is wrong.

While I preface my initial post with " my speculation ", it's still within reason to say that Randy Moss would have extended Troy's career just on the sheer fact it would have given Troy a top weapon he never had after Michael Irvin retired.

Troy Aikman played with at least 10 concussions in his career ( 4 of them in the '00 season alone, his last one ) that were on record. Who knows how many others he really had. Funny thing is that while Michael and Emmitt and Jay were at their primes, the concussions seem to happen at a less frequency.

Coincidence ? Don't think so..
 

risco

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,792
Reaction score
1,477
If a frog had a glass a** it would break every time he hops....
 

joseephuss

Well-Known Member
Messages
28,041
Reaction score
6,920
And your point is wrong.

While I preface my initial post with " my speculation ", it's still within reason to say that Randy Moss would have extended Troy's career just on the sheer fact it would have given Troy a top weapon he never had after Michael Irvin retired.

Troy Aikman played with at least 10 concussions in his career ( 4 of them in the '00 season alone, his last one ) that were on record. Who knows how many others he really had. Funny thing is that while Michael and Emmitt and Jay were at their primes, the concussions seem to happen at a less frequency.

Coincidence ? Don't think so..

Funny that the offensive lines were in their prime as well. Once they started aging and not replaced with similar level talent then more concussions occurred.

Aikman only played 3 seasons where he played in all 16 games. He was hurt a lot. It wasn't just the concussions. Multiple leg injuries, multiple back issues and arm injuries. The guy was beat up quite bad throughout his entire career. It wasn't just one thing that ended his playing time. It was the culmination of many injuries.
 

trueblue1687

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,697
Reaction score
76
And your point is wrong.

While I preface my initial post with " my speculation ", it's still within reason to say that Randy Moss would have extended Troy's career just on the sheer fact it would have given Troy a top weapon he never had after Michael Irvin retired.

Troy Aikman played with at least 10 concussions in his career ( 4 of them in the '00 season alone, his last one ) that were on record. Who knows how many others he really had. Funny thing is that while Michael and Emmitt and Jay were at their primes, the concussions seem to happen at a less frequency.

Coincidence ? Don't think so..


Your argument is circular and falls flat I'm afraid. Aikman retired due to injuries. There was a reason he didn't play past his Cowboys days. Saying Randy Moss would have prolonged his career is speculation AT BEST...more likely craziness.
 

burmafrd

Well-Known Member
Messages
43,820
Reaction score
3,379
And your point is wrong.

While I preface my initial post with " my speculation ", it's still within reason to say that Randy Moss would have extended Troy's career just on the sheer fact it would have given Troy a top weapon he never had after Michael Irvin retired.

Troy Aikman played with at least 10 concussions in his career ( 4 of them in the '00 season alone, his last one ) that were on record. Who knows how many others he really had. Funny thing is that while Michael and Emmitt and Jay were at their primes, the concussions seem to happen at a less frequency.

Coincidence ? Don't think so..

guess what- its called an offensive line. Which started going downhill by 97
 

Star Guard_31

Well-Known Member
Messages
755
Reaction score
703
Tim Brown wanted to come to Dallas in like 95 or 96. Brown was a free agent and wanted to come back home to Dallas to play for his favorite team the Dallas Cowboys. He said he wanted to call Michael Irvin to make sure Michael was okay with it.

Tim said he called Mike and said Mike me and you could be the best duo of all time playing together. Tim said Mike told him NO, and said it wouldn't be enough footballs to go around if he came to Dallas. So Tim went back to The Raiders. But that would've been a nice duo because This was around the time when Alvin Harper was gone so Tim would've been a huge upgrade.

Both Tim Brown and Michael Irvin talked about this before when Mike had his radio show in Dallas.

Didn't Tim Brown also reach out to the Cowboys through backdoor channels prior to free agency in 2000? I seem to remember that Tim Brown could have opted out of his contract the same offseason that Irvin retired, but prior to exercising that clause, he was informally told that the Cowboys had no interest in him and he ended up staying with Oakland.
 

Star Guard_31

Well-Known Member
Messages
755
Reaction score
703
We all know that in 1999 Jerry shelled out $26 million for Rocket Ismail. Ironically enough, the player the Panthers signed to replace him was Patrick Jeffers, a backup WR for the Cowboys who went on to total over 1,000 yards receiving and 12 TDs that year for the Panthers at a fraction of the price.

I remember hearing that the Cowboys were eying Anthony “Booger” McFarland with their 1st round pick in the 1999 draft and were said to be pretty surprised when Tampa took him as high as they did. This almost Cowboy would have come in handy next year, as the Cowboys allowed 4 opposing RBs to rush 200 yard in a game.

In 2000, the pro player personnel department wanted the Cowboys to sign an unheard of free agent WR by the name of Joe Horn. Realizing his window was closing, Jerry was desperate to acquire a more established WR to replace Michael Irvin and sold the farm for Joey Galloway. Joe Horn would go on to play in 4 of the next 7 Pro Bowls and set several major Saints receiving records.

There was a strong contingent of people within the Cowboys war room that wanted LB Kendrell Bell in the 2nd round of the 2001 draft. Dallas traded back from the 37th pick and Bell was taken by the Steelers 2 picks later. Bell started off strong, being named an All-Pro and winning Defensive Rookie of the Year honors, but he peaked early.

In 2003, the Jake Delhomme visited with the Cowboys who decided not to get in a bidding war with the Carolina Panthers. We then went on to start Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson, Drew Henson, Vinny Testaverde and Drew Bledsoe before Tony Romo established himself. Delhomme took the Panthers to the Super Bowl and became a Pro Bowl player.

More recently, it was said that Rob Ryan really wanted J.J. Watt. Tyson Smith is turning out to be a great player in his own right, so this one isn’t quite as painful.

Haven’t seen it mentioned in this thread, but it’s been widely reported that had we not traded up for Mo Claiborne, we could have taken Michael Brockers and Bobby Wagner.
 

joseephuss

Well-Known Member
Messages
28,041
Reaction score
6,920
We all know that in 1999 Jerry shelled out $26 million for Rocket Ismail. Ironically enough, the player the Panthers signed to replace him was Patrick Jeffers, a backup WR for the Cowboys who went on to total over 1,000 yards receiving and 12 TDs that year for the Panthers at a fraction of the price.

You left out that Jeffers then went on to catch a total of 14 passes for the remainder of his career, which only lasted 2 more years.
 
Top