Murray the Fumbler; What would Jimmy do?

romothesavior said:
Holding people accountable isn't exactly a hallmark of the JG era.
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thats ridiculous. hes had Murray, all the rbs even Dez carrying a ball through practices and hes taken part in their drills and shown them how he wants them to carry the ball. he already has benched Murray. Murray is killing the other teams more than he is killing Dallas. hes not stupid he knows he can lose the ball. its mostly just the way he runs, it has to be relearned. Im really shocked McCoy doesnt fumble every game the way he hangs the ball down by his side. I totally agree with Garrett, hold on to the damn ball because you going to get it about 20 more times today.
 
If anyone can recall, Adrian Peterson fumbled away a chance for the Vikings to go to the Super Bowl. We don't want that happening to DeMarco Murray. Fumbling issues can easily be addressed if the coaches take the time to teach the proper technique. Tiki Barber was a fumbling machine until he learned the right way to carry the ball. Murray can get it together.
 
xwalker said:
Curvin Richards was a backup that only played in garbage time. DeMarco is leading the league in rushing.
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Curvin was let go before the playoffs. And Jimmy Johnson used him as an example. He didn't need Curvin on the roster. No way he would have cut Emmitt had Emmitt fumbled twice. Jimmy Johnson wasn't stupid.
 
Answer: Jimmy would have done the same as Garrett/coaching staff is doing, no questions asked.

For proof, I'll go to some stats and historical evidence.

First, was Jimmy faced with a similar fumble prone back? By this I mean (gasp!) Emmitt. Emmitt's career attempts per fumble is 72.28. Murray's is 62.33. So Murray is 10-20% more fumble prone. This is a limited data set on Murray, but the numbers are what they are. Nevertheless, this isn't a factor of two we are talking about but doesn't say a lot either way.

Second, was Jimmy faced with a similar decision on benching Emmitt? In 1991, Emmitt fumbled 8 times, all recovered. That is almost unprecedented since its a 50% recovery rate historically. In a 4 game span, he fumbled 6 times (wk 10-13). He wasn't benched, most likely because he didn't lose them so it wasn't as obvious a problem. So that's not the best evidence.

But in 1995 it gets interesting. Mind you we were one of the top teams in the league. In weeks 10-15 Emmitt fumbled 5 times in 6 games. He lost 4 of them. During that stretch the Cowboys were 3-3, with only 1 other loss that season in week 5 (to Washington, HA! In which Emmitt fumbled and lost 1). This year he fumbled 7 times and lost 6, almost an aberration in the other direction. The rest is history, he carried 24 times each in the last two games and heavily in the playoffs. Not sure if Jimmy internally considered benching him, but he didn't do it.

Granted, Emmitt had more "credit" by 1995, but that bad 6 game stretch by the great Emmitt is similar I believe to Murray's bad one currently.
 
WoodysGirl said:
Nothing personal... but count me as one who doesn't care what Jimmy would do. I only care about what Jason will do and evidently that is nothing, because you don't bench the league leading RB.

Did Coughlin bench Tiki Barber when he was fumbling all the time? Nope. Re-trained his handling. That's all you can do when you have a beast running for you.
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I'm on the fence about this. I see your point after a few times. But now when I see him in a situation where he is fighting for more yards, I hide behind my hand and peak through my fingers like a kid watching a scary movie. This absolutely has got to be cleaned up. Garrett preaches all the time that turnover ratio within a game is typically the deciding factor in who wins. I'm not sure a stern talking too alone is going to fix this. I'm not sure exactly what he should do, but I'm pretty sure doing nothing is not the answer.
 
movaughn88 said:
Answer: Jimmy would have done the same as Garrett/coaching staff is doing, no questions asked.

For proof, I'll go to some stats and historical evidence.

First, was Jimmy faced with a similar fumble prone back? By this I mean (gasp!) Emmitt. Emmitt's career attempts per fumble is 72.28. Murray's is 62.33. So Murray is 10-20% more fumble prone. This is a limited data set on Murray, but the numbers are what they are. Nevertheless, this isn't a factor of two we are talking about but doesn't say a lot either way.

Second, was Jimmy faced with a similar decision on benching Emmitt? In 1991, Emmitt fumbled 8 times, all recovered. That is almost unprecedented since its a 50% recovery rate historically. In a 4 game span, he fumbled 6 times (wk 10-13). He wasn't benched, most likely because he didn't lose them so it wasn't as obvious a problem. So that's not the best evidence.

But in 1995 it gets interesting. Mind you we were one of the top teams in the league. In weeks 10-15 Emmitt fumbled 5 times in 6 games. He lost 4 of them. During that stretch the Cowboys were 3-3, with only 1 other loss that season in week 5 (to Washington, HA! In which Emmitt fumbled and lost 1). This year he fumbled 7 times and lost 6, almost an aberration in the other direction. The rest is history, he carried 24 times each in the last two games and heavily in the playoffs. Not sure if Jimmy internally considered benching him, but he didn't do it.

Granted, Emmitt had more "credit" by 1995, but that bad 6 game stretch by the great Emmitt is similar I believe to Murray's bad one currently.
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I'm going to guess Jimmy didn't consider benching Emmitt in 1995 since he was fishing in the Florida keys.

Great case though.
 
Risen Star said:
I'm going to guess Jimmy didn't consider benching Emmitt in 1995 since he was fishing in the Florida keys.

Great case though.
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Well that shoots me full of holes doesn't it? HA. Got all carried away with my stats. Well I won't even try for Barry, since he wasn't a great coach by any means. But at least Emmitt had some bad streaks. If Murray keeps it up, then it's a much different case.
 
LOL Jimmy would've done exactly what Jason is doing lol. Its who Jason learned from lol. Jimmy would NEVER sit his best players for making mistakes. Its a known fact he was harder on his role players and backups than he was his star players. He's admitted as much.
 
WoodysGirl said:
Nothing personal... but count me as one who doesn't care what Jimmy would do. I only care about what Jason will do and evidently that is nothing, because you don't bench the league leading RB.

Did Coughlin bench Tiki Barber when he was fumbling all the time? Nope. Re-trained his handling. That's all you can do when you have a beast running for you.
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Do you care what Tom Landry would do?
 
GimmeTheBall! said:
I don't belief Swervin' Curvin Richards was on that first super bowl team. Holla if I am wrong and incorrect.
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He was on the 1992 regular season team but didnt play in playoffs after being cut after the final game against the Bears.
 
I have faith murray will get it fixed. You know it bothers him more than any of us. He has a ton of passion and pride he'll fix it.
 
People seem to forget that Jimmy had grown tired of Curvin Richards prior to his two fumble performance against the Bears. Richards had missed or been late to several meetings and practices over the season. Jimmy didn't cut him because he fumbled. He cut him due to an accumulation of several things over the year and the final straw was the fumbles. If Richards had been a hard worker and done all the dirty work required from a backup RB, then I doubt Jimmy would have cut him due to just those two fumbles. He had just got fed up with everything about the guy.

Let's look at rookie Kevin Williams in 1993. He was the Cowboys first pick in that year's draft, taken in the second round. He touched the ball 94 times that year returning kicks, punts and catching a few passes. He fumbled the ball 8 times or once every 11.75 touches. He was not cut or even benched.
 
StarBoyz83 said:
I have faith murray will get it fixed. You know it bothers him more than any of us. He has a ton of passion and pride he'll fix it.
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Ultimately it really is a systemic problem in the NFL many playersare great athletes at the lower levels and were allowed to run rough shod. Less on fundamentals more on winning.
 
MaineBoy said:
In the vein of what would Jesus/Jimmy do -

There is no question that Murray can run the ball but his fumbles are going to kill us in a playoff game someday - if we get that far. Would Jimmy have tolerated these fumbles from Emmitt ? What would Jimmy have done ?
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Jimmy wouldn't sit him. Most likely would approach if from a mental standpoint. He would use phrases like "hold on to the ball" rather than "don't fumble."
 
jrumann59 said:
Ultimately it really is a systemic problem in the NFL many playersare great athletes at the lower levels and were allowed to run rough shod. Less on fundamentals more on winning.
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Good point. The amount of allowed practice time has been cut down at all levels of football. The amount of practice time in full pads has been reduced as well. That provides coaches with fewer opportunities to teach fundamentals.
 
Risen Star said:
I'm going to guess Jimmy didn't consider benching Emmitt in 1995 since he was fishing in the Florida keys.

Great case though.
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Lol, Was gonna say the same thing
If you're gonna make a point it is helpful to have the key piece be accurate

Maybe jerry called jimmy in 1995 and asked him what he would do? Or maybe Switzer did?
 
WoodysGirl said:
Nothing personal... but count me as one who doesn't care what Jimmy would do. I only care about what Jason will do and evidently that is nothing, because you don't bench the league leading RB.

Did Coughlin bench Tiki Barber when he was fumbling all the time? Nope. Re-trained his handling. That's all you can do when you have a beast running for you.
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Thank you, finally a sensible post.
 
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