Murray vs. Randle

Toruk_Makto

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I think it was irresponsible by our coaches not giving Murray a few series a game off, Murray still gets his huge payday and I think the overall efficiency of our running game stays the same if not improves.
 

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Well if the corp of runners stays the same plus McFadden then you have to say
the RB position isnt want it was. Does McFadden equal Murray? No.
 

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I think Jerry and Steven looked at Murray's 4 years with us and thought - the first three years Murray was hurt. Could have he played through these injuries? No one knows, but he didn't play and he hurt our team badly. Then, in his contract year he gets hurt again, and instead of loafing off and stabbing us in the back, he finally plays through the injuries for selfish reasons - to get a bigger contract. You are supposed to play like it is a contract year EVERY YEAR, EVERY PLAY!

And if I were Jerry I would have ran him into the ground with 400 carries with the knowledge that there was no way in hell I'm paying him big bucks when he loafs three years and plays tough for one. JJ and son also know that Randle's production in college was every bit as good or BETTER than Murray's and they were in the same conference. So by grinding Murray into paste, we get him a big contract with another team, we lose the inconsistency of Murray, and we have a replacement who looks on paper and film to be every bit as good as Murray his first four years averaged. I don't give a flying F Murray left and I'm PUMPED he went to a rival. We will collect his fumbles now. We will laugh when he misses 7 games and gets paid $1,000,000 per game played. If I ever saw him there would probably be a fight but I know if I could run 33 yards he would collapse before catching me. Screw him.

Such passion.....I'm not so sure you should put yourself into a fight with Murray. Not only is he considered a mild mannered likable person but I believe he has some level of MMA background....
But love the passion and liked the 33 yards part. Funny stuff.
 

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Maybe, just maybe, the reason why Murray didn't come out was because he was incredibly productive, the best pass protecting running back on the roster, and a player whose presence in the game didn't provide a specific hint as to what the Cowboys were looking to execute on a given play.

Or, it could be because he was insecure about Joseph Randle. You decide.

/thread. Murray was WAY better than Randle. All we can with Randle is hope.
 

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Murray got so many touches because the team knew he wouldn't be around next year. Keep Randle fresh for 2015.
 

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Murray got so many touches because the team knew he wouldn't be around next year. Keep Randle fresh for 2015.

Hope you're not serious because that's ridiculous. The Cowboys might have had a hunch Murray might not be back due to injuries or having a breakout season that would put him out of their price range but no way were they thinking ahead to the 2015 season trying to keep Randle fresh. LOL The Cowboys have no idea if Randle can carry the load effectively he hasn't had enough opportunities to prove himself. He's inexperienced and there were plenty of chances last season for him to gain a lot more experience but the Cowboys chose to ride Murray. Randle has yet to prove he can be productive with 10 or more carries. In the only 2 starts of his career in 2013 he averaged 1.9 a carry vs Detroit and 3.4 a carry vs Philly.
 

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Hope you're not serious because that's ridiculous. The Cowboys might have had a hunch Murray might not be back due to injuries or having a breakout season that would put him out of their price range but no way were they thinking ahead to the 2015 season trying to keep Randle fresh. LOL The Cowboys have no idea if Randle can carry the load effectively he hasn't had enough opportunities to prove himself. He's inexperienced and there were plenty of chances last season for him to gain a lot more experience but the Cowboys chose to ride Murray. Randle has yet to prove he can be productive with 10 or more carries. In the only 2 starts of his career in 2013 he averaged 1.9 a carry vs Detroit and 3.4 a carry vs Philly.

Both our line and Randle were drastically different in 2013.
 

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Both our line and Randle were drastically different in 2013.

Without question.

Randle in 2013 was a step slower through the hole, and did not play through contact at all. The first tackler would typically get him on the ground. Last season, Randle looked far more decisive and confident in hitting the hole, and looked like a stronger overall player. He still lacks experience in pass protection, but I don't know if it is a talent that he possesses that he didn't get enough time to demonstrate, or if it is a weakness in his game.

Either way, he'll get his chance to demonstrate it this year. Running behind a terrific run blocking line.
 

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Both our line and Randle were drastically different in 2013.

Our OL was also drastically different in 2011 when Murray rushed for a franchise record 253 yards and put up just over 600 yards in 4 games that season. Murray put up just over 1100 yards in 2013 in 14 games. Had he not missed the Detroit game the Cowboys would have won and made the playoffs that season. The Cowboys would have made the playoffs every season since 2011 if Murray hadn't missed games with injuries. He produced behind transitioning OL's.
 

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Our OL was also drastically different in 2011 when Murray rushed for a franchise record 253 yards and put up just over 600 yards in 4 games that season. Murray put up just over 1100 yards in 2013 in 14 games. Had he not missed the Detroit game the Cowboys would have won and made the playoffs that season. The Cowboys would have made the playoffs every season since 2011 if Murray hadn't missed games with injuries. He produced behind transitioning OL's.

What is your point?

Are you actually refuting anything I said?

Or just using fluke games to try and get a word in edge wise?
 

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What is your point?

Are you actually refuting anything I said?

Or just using fluke games to try and get a word in edge wise?

You said our OL was different in 2013 using it as an excuse for Randle when Murray produced behind. Randle looked different last season because he had huge holes to run through that he didn't have the previous season plus he had fresh legs from watching Murray carry the load. Randle is going to have to prove he can make plays when there's not a gaping hole to run through. I don't see a back on the roster that runs with the power and can stiff arm their way through traffic like Murray. Defenses will attempt to stack the box to stop the running game and force Romo to have to throw.
 

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You said our OL was different in 2013 using it as an excuse for Randle when Murray produced behind. Randle looked different last season because he had huge holes to run through that he didn't have the previous season plus he had fresh legs from watching Murray carry the load. Randle is going to have to prove he can make plays when there's not a gaping hole to run through. I don't see a back on the roster that runs with the power and can stiff arm their way through traffic like Murray. Defenses will attempt to stack the box to stop the running game and force Romo to have to throw.

I said both Randle and our OL were different things two years ago. Do you disagree?

Also i'm fine with defenses forcing Romo to throw into 1 on 1 coverage. Aren't you?
 

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I said both Randle and our OL were different things two years ago. Do you disagree?

You said the OL and Randle were different 2 years ago meaning both are better now. The OL is better but Randle only appeared to look better because he had some huge holes to run through in 2014 that he didn't have in 2013. In Randle's only 10 plus carry game last season vs Indy he only averaged 2.8 a carry on 13 carries. Randle isn't built for power he can't run over defenders and push piles which is something the Cowboys are going to miss in 2015.

 

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Also i'm fine with defenses forcing Romo to throw into 1 on 1 coverage. Aren't you?

That depends on how often he has to throw if it's a lot more often than last season he won't be as good a QB and the Cowboys won't be as good a team. The more he has to throw the more chances of injury and it increases his risk for turnovers.
 
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That depends on how often he has to throw if it's a lot more often than last season he won't be as good a QB and the Cowboys won't be as good a team. The more Romo has to throw the more chances of injury and it increases his risk for turnovers.

Romo is the 2nd best player on the team.

He is often throwing to the best player on the team.

He is protected on the blindside by the 3rd best player on the team.

I'm fine with Romo throwing the ball more.
 

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Romo is the 2nd best player on the team.

He is often throwing to the best player on the team.

He is protected on the blindside by the 3rd best player on the team.

I'm fine with Romo throwing the ball more.

History has shown that Romo throwing the ball more is not a good thing unless you want to struggle around 500 all season. More passing attempts will equal more sacks (he took 29 sacks last season) and more turnovers plus it increases his chances of injury. He missed one game last season due to taking a sack and the Cowboys ended up losing that game. It's no coincidence that Romo had his best most efficient season in 2014 having the fewest passing attempts of his career due to the running game. The same offensive formula from last season with an improved defense would make the Cowboys a serious SB contender but with Murray gone we'll have to see how much his loss impacts the team.
 

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History has shown that Romo throwing the ball more is not a good thing unless you want to struggle around 500 all season. More passing attempts will equal more sacks (he took 29 sacks last season) and more turnovers plus it increases his chances of injury. He missed one game last season due to taking a sack and the Cowboys ended up losing that game. It's no coincidence that Romo had his best most efficient season in 2014 having the fewest passing attempts of his career due to the running game. The same offensive formula from last season with an improved defense would make the Cowboys a serious SB contender but with Murray gone we'll have to see how much his loss impacts the team.

You're right. This team has been playing 500 ball because of Romo. Without him this team was a 3 win club.
 

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You're right. This team has been playing 500 ball because of Romo. Without him this team was a 3 win club.

Dude! Don't you know already that KJJ blames anything and everything that the team does bad on Romo?

He even comes up with this crap..."Romo could not even beat a one legged Rodgers"...as if Romo was the only player on that team, or as if Romo played defense! smh
 
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