Murray vs. Randle

[KJJ]

You said if he had to throw more...then the team would regress to 500 ball.

You said using him less allows us to win more.

You said he has had an int problem.

Now your issue is timing of ints? Ok. Different argument. You switched up mid stream.

Well how can you explain Romo's number of comeback wins and his 4th quarter rating if he is somehow an accident waiting to happen. HIs 4th quarter QB rating you ask? You mean the highest of all time 4th quarter qb rating?

But please tell us more about how Romo isn't clutch...

I've said a lot of things that Jerry and Garrett have said does that mean they're putting all the blame on Romo or they don't think he's clutch? Everyone that knows football has said the less Romo has to do the better the Cowboys will be so go ahead a put a negative spin on it if that's your agenda. None of this is an attempt to disparage Romo. The Cowboys have proven they can't win consistently when Romo has to carry the offense he needs a solid running game. He's not Aaron Rodgers who can maintain great efficiency with 35 plus attempts every week. Rodgers has had an NFL record 6 straight seasons with a passer rating of over 100.0 and has never thrown more than 13 int's in a season. Saying a QB has had int issues can have to do with the number of them as well as the timing of them so it's the same argument. There's been some great QB's throw a lot of picks but it's the ill-timed int's late in games that can cost you.

 

[justbob]

I wish I could! lol

Well I hate to do this but "go to your room"

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I've said a lot of things that Jerry and Garrett have said does that mean they're putting all the blame on Romo or they don't think he's clutch? Everyone that knows football has said the less Romo has to do the better the Cowboys will be so go ahead a put a negative spin on it if that's your agenda. None of this is an attempt to disparage Romo. The Cowboys have proven they can't win consistently when Romo has to carry the offense he needs a solid running game. He's not Aaron Rodgers who can maintain great efficiency with 35 plus attempts every week. Rodgers has had an NFL record 6 straight seasons with a passer rating of over 100.0 and has never thrown more than 13 int's in a season. Saying a QB has had int issues can have to do with the number of them as well as the timing of them so it's the same argument. There's been some great QB's throw a lot of picks but it's the ill-timed int's late in games that can cost you.

Romo has been a greatly efficient QB his entire career.

Hence, being the 2nd highest rated QB of all time.

Romo has been greatly efficient late in games.

Hence, having hte highest 4th quarter rating of all time and the 4th highest rating in the last two minutes of games all time.

Romo has the most 4th quarter comeback wins since he became a full-time starter.

But tell me more about all these 'ill-fated' ints.

 

[KJJ]

Romo has been a greatly efficient QB his entire career.

Hence, being the 2nd highest rated QB of all time.

Romo has been greatly efficient late in games.

Hence, having hte highest 4th quarter rating of all time and the 4th highest rating in the last two minutes of games all time.

Romo has the most 4th quarter comeback wins since he became a full-time starter.

But tell me more about all these 'ill-fated' ints.

You continue to point out what everyone already knows that Romo is a very good QB. We don't need to get into a discussion about his ill-timed Int's and if you want to pretend none exist go right ahead.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

You continue to point out what everyone already knows that Romo is a very good QB. We don't need to get into a discussion about his ill-timed Int's and if you want to pretend none exist go right ahead.

I like how your argument changed 2 or 3 times throughout this discussion. Now you're waving the white flag.

Until next time sir.

 

[KJJ]

I like how your argument changed 2 or 3 times throughout this discussion. Now you're waving the white flag.

Until next time sir.

I don't raise white flags and my argument isn't changing you're just trying to turn this into a big Romo debate when the topic has to do with Murray vs Randle. Every time I mention Romo someone with an agenda always sees an opportunity to turn it into a KJJ hates Romo theme. I can't say one thing about Romo without someone reading something negative into it in an attempt to derail the discussion at hand. Stop trying to make this about Romo and get back on topic or there won't be any next time.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I don't raise white flags and my argument isn't changing you're just trying to turn this into a big Romo debate when the topic has to do with Murray vs Randle. Every time I mention Romo someone with an agenda always sees an opportunity to turn it into a KJJ hates Romo theme. I can't say one thing about Romo without someone reading something negative into it in an attempt to derail the discussion at hand. Stop trying to make this about Romo and get back on topic or there won't be any next time.

Weren't you the inventor of spotlight primetime game win/loss record?

But yeah everyone else has the agenda. LOL

 

[KJJ]

Weren't you the inventor of spotlight primetime game win/loss record?

But yeah everyone else has the agenda. LOL

No, I created the term "elimination games" and this discussion isn't about those or spotlight games and anyone who tries to make it about them has an agenda. LOL

 

[sureletsrace]

Come on man.

To where?

 

[DandyDon52]

Then that's on the coach. No player with heart "wants" to come out. The coach should have dictated that. I still think they had concerns about how much they trusted Randel with more of a work load. I think they are still concerned.

Exactly the coach decides when players play or dont play, it wasnt up to murray.
When murray broke his hand garrett should have started randle and see how he does, then when playoffs start pick one of the 2.
Instead he stayed with murray whole way.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

They'll be back to playing 500 ball if he's back to having to carry the offense because his efficiency will go down and his turnovers will go up. I'm not pointing the finger at Romo for those 8-8 seasons but you're saying the Cowboys would be a 3 win team without him which points to them not being a very good team unless they get stellar play from the QB position. In 2011, 12 and 13 Romo suffered more sacks and int's than he did last season which is part of the reason those teams struggled. The Cowboys couldn't consistently run the ball those seasons and it put a lot of pressure on Romo.

Romo had too much on his plate prior to last season which has caused a lot of the issues he's had. He was the best of his career last season despite coming off back surgery because he didn't have to do as much due to the #2 ranked rushing attack. John Elway would have never won a SB had it not been for the great seasons by Terrell Davis that took pressure off him. We'll have to see what affect Murray's departure has on the Cowboys and Romo.

I view Romo as a great QB who has carried some pretty bad teams to respectable seasons. I do agree with the main point you are trying to make. An effective running game does make Romo a better QB. I don't want to see the tide shifted back on Romos shoulders either. Last year was a great mix of pass and run, the best we have seen in a very long time. I hope we have the RB to keep it that way because I think that's the best chance for Dallas to be in SB 50.

 

[KJJ]

I view Romo as a great QB who has carried some pretty bad teams to respectable seasons. I do agree with the main point you are trying to make. An effective running game does make Romo a better QB. I don't want to see the tide shifted back on Romos shoulders either. Last year was a great mix of pass and run, the best we have seen in a very long time. I hope we have the RB to keep it that way because I think that's the best chance for Dallas to be in SB 50.

I view Romo as a "very good" QB who carried the Cowboys to 3 straight 8-8 seasons which I don't consider respectable seasons. When he first took over the Cowboys they were a more talented team than those teams having 2 excellent experienced WR's in TO and Terry Glenn and a great young TE in Jason Witten. The Cowboys had a veteran OL that was a very good pass protecting unit. Romo was never sacked more than 24 times from 06 to 08. There was some talent on defense with Ware, Jay Ratliff and TNew. The Cowboys had a pretty good running game in 06 with the combination of Jones/Barber putting up 1784 yards and 18 TD's. That combo produced only 107 fewer yards than Murray did last season. In 06 and 07 Romo had a couple of 1000 yard receivers and some pretty good production in the running game but all those teams revolved around Romo and the passing game which caused everything to come apart during Dec/Jan of those seasons.

Romo is a talented QB who's very productive but due to the gunslinger nature that's instilled in him he has to be managed. All the successful Cowboy QB's were apart of balanced offensive attacks that featured elite RB's. None of the great Cowboy teams relied heavily on their QB to win games every week. Meredith had Don Perkins and Staubach had Duane Thomas and Tony Dorsett. Danny White had Dorsett and Troy Aikman had Emmitt Smith. It's highly unlikely any of those QB's would have had the success they did especially during the era's they played in without having an elite RB to turn to. We've speculated for years how good Romo would look if had the type of running games led by an elite runner that his predecessors had and we found out last season how good he can be if the offense isn't put entirely on his shoulders. We've seen a lot of "great" QB's through the years crumble in critical games such as Elway, Marino and Peyton Manning due to having to carry their teams.

The Cowboys put together the perfect offense for Romo last season that featured an elite back (yes Murray was elite last season) and an elite WR. With Murray gone it could change everything. On paper this appears to be the weakest group of RB's Romo has had to work with. It may turn out a lot better on the field than it looks on paper but that will depend on the OL. Everyone is nervous about the RB situation including the Cowboys we'll just have to hold our breath and hope there isn't a significant drop off in our running game that leads to Romo having to go back to taking on a bigger load.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I view Romo as a "very good" QB who carried the Cowboys to 3 straight 8-8 seasons which I don't consider respectable seasons. When he first took over the Cowboys they were a more talented team than those teams having 2 excellent experienced WR's in TO and Terry Glenn and a great young TE in Jason Witten. The Cowboys had a veteran OL that was a very good pass protecting unit. Romo was never sacked more than 24 times from 06 to 08. There was some talent on defense with Ware, Jay Ratliff and TNew. The Cowboys had a pretty good running game in 06 with the combination of Jones/Barber putting up 1784 yards and 18 TD's. That combo produced only 107 fewer yards than Murray did last season. In 06 and 07 Romo had a couple of 1000 yard receivers and some pretty good production in the running game but all those teams revolved around Romo and the passing game which caused everything to come apart during Dec/Jan of those seasons.

Romo is a talented QB who's very productive but due to the gunslinger nature that's instilled in him he has to be managed. All the successful Cowboy QB's were apart of balanced offensive attacks that featured elite RB's. None of the great Cowboy teams relied heavily on their QB to win games every week. Meredith had Don Perkins and Staubach had Duane Thomas and Tony Dorsett. Danny White had Dorsett and Troy Aikman had Emmitt Smith. It's highly unlikely any of those QB's would have had the success they did especially during the era's they played in without having an elite RB to turn to. We've speculated for years how good Romo would look if had the type of running games led by an elite runner that his predecessors had and we found out last season how good he can be if the offense isn't put entirely on his shoulders. We've seen a lot of "great" QB's through the years crumble in critical games such as Elway, Marino and Peyton Manning due to having to carry their teams.

The Cowboys put together the perfect offense for Romo last season that featured an elite back (yes Murray was elite last season) and an elite WR. With Murray gone it could change everything. On paper this appears to be the weakest group of RB's Romo has had to work with. It may turn out a lot better on the field than it looks on paper but that will depend on the OL. Everyone is nervous about the RB situation including the Cowboys we'll just have to" hold our breath and hope there isn't a significant drop off in our running game that leads to Romo having to go back to taking on a bigger load.

Gunslinger nature? The guy has 3 of his last 4 seasons end in 10 ints or fewer.

He has the 4th highest td to int ratio in the history of the game. The 2nd highest overall rating.

If that makes him just "very good"....then i'll take it. And so would virtually every team in the NFL.

He was the best quarterback in football just last year.

 

[5Stars]

Gunslinger nature? The guy has 3 of his last 4 seasons end in 10 ints or fewer.

He has the 4th highest td to int ratio in the history of the game. The 2nd highest overall rating.

If that makes him just "very good"....then i'll take it. And so would virtually every team in the NFL.

He was the best quarterback in football just last year.

Good luck making sense with that cat...

 

[KJJ]

Gunslinger nature? The guy has 3 of his last 4 seasons end in 10 ints or fewer.

He has the 4th highest td to int ratio in the history of the game. The 2nd highest overall rating.

If that makes him just "very good"....then i'll take it. And so would virtually every team in the NFL.

He was the best quarterback in football just last year.

A QB doesn't have to throw a lot of int's to have a gunslinger nature. Romo idolized Favre and picked up some of his gunslinger style watching him. Even Parcells and Jerry referred to Romo as a gunslinger years ago and talked about how he needed to be reeled in some. You already mentioned his 4th highest TD to turnover ratio in the history of the game and his 2nd all-time passer rating in your continuing effort to try and convince me he's an excellent QB when I already know that. lol You continue to read negatives into my comments about him. I've supported Romo as the Cowboys QB ever since he took over and talked about how important it was to resign him after the 2012 season when many on the board wanted him traded or released. You and I had a discussion a couple of weeks ago how others view Romo and why he's disrespected. I said "they" still see the bobbled snap in Seattle and "they" see the QB who couldn't beat a one legged Aaron Rodgers. You tried to spin that's how I see him when I made it clear it's how "others' see him not me. Every comment I make about Romo gets twisted and turned by those who have an agenda.

A few years ago when Tebow was having the time of his life in Denver a Romo vs Tebow thread got started. I pointed out the only thing Tebow might have over Romo is leadership and naturally one of the Jr High crowd who has an agenda claimed I said Tebow is better than Romo. A few others decided to play monkey see monkey do and go along with it. There's a Jr High mentality amongst a few here. I said Romo and the defense sucked vs Washington in the season finale 3 years ago and of course someone with an agenda twisted that claiming I said Romo sucks. No one has to deal with a more immature group than I have to deal with. As for Romo being the best QB last season not according to the MVP voters. Romo got a lot more help from his RB than Aaron Rodgers got from his which is why Murray received the same number of MVP votes as Romo. Romo is a "very good" QB but he doesn't have the accomplishments/skins needed to be considered a "great" QB in my opinion. He has "elite skills" but it takes a certain number of a accomplishments to be considered an "elite/great" QB." If someone wants to spin that into me hating on Romo they can continue making themselves look foolish. I give honest opinions that's how I roll and if some can't handle that ignore or scroll over my posts.

 

[5Stars]

A QB doesn't have to throw a lot of int's to have a gunslinger nature. Romo idolized Favre and picked up some of his gunslinger style watching him. Even Parcells and Jerry referred to Romo as a gunslinger years ago and talked about how he needed to be reeled in some. You already mentioned his 4th highest TD to turnover ratio in the history of the game and his 2nd all-time passer rating in your continuing effort to try and convince me he's an excellent QB when I already know that. lol You continue to read negatives into my comments about him. I've supported Romo as the Cowboys QB ever since he took over and talked about how important it was to resign him after the 2012 season when many on the board wanted him traded or released. You and I had a discussion a couple of weeks ago how others view Romo and why he's disrespected. I said "they" still see the bobbled snap in Seattle and "they" see the QB who couldn't beat a one legged Aaron Rodgers. You tried to spin that's how I see him when I made it clear it's how "others' see him not me. Every comment I make about Romo gets twisted and turned by those who have an agenda.

A few years ago when Tebow was having the time of his life in Denver a Romo vs Tebow thread got started. I pointed out the only thing Tebow might have over Romo is leadership and naturally one of the Jr High crowd who has an agenda claimed I said Tebow is better than Romo. A few others decided to play monkey see monkey do and go along with it. There's a Jr High mentality amongst a few here. I said Romo and the defense sucked vs Washington in the season finale 3 years ago and of course someone with an agenda twisted that claiming I said Romo sucks. No one has to deal with a more immature group than I have to deal with. As for Romo being the best QB last season not according to the MVP voters. Romo got a lot more help from his RB than Aaron Rodgers got from his which is why Murray received the same number of MVP votes as Romo. Romo is a "very good" QB but he doesn't have the accomplishments/skins needed to be considered a "great" QB in my opinion. He has "elite skills" but it takes a certain number of a accomplishments to be considered an "elite/great" QB." If someone wants to spin that into me hating on Romo they can continue making themselves look foolish. I give honest opinions that's how I roll and if some can't handle that ignore or scroll over my posts.

Dude, you must live in Malibu...because you can swim backwards like no one that I have ever seen!

they, they, others...but not me. Right!

And this little nugget...."Romo needed back surgery because he throws the ball to much".....

And if you lie to yourself when you said that "Romo could not even beat a one legged Rodgers"...YOU SAID IT, not others, or "they"...YOU said it. And it's all there for all to see if they wish. Oh, and all this 8-8 stuff, as if Romo is the only player on the field! What a joke...and that is from us Jr. High posters that you have to deal with.

But, at least in this last post of yours you did not mention "FAN" 20 freaking times! Yeah, all of us JR. High posters got your game.

Have a nice day at the beach...do some more backward swimming.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Well if the corp of runners stays the same plus McFadden then you have to say
the RB position isnt want it was. Does McFadden equal Murray? No.

I don't even think McFadden equals Randle.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I think Romo would have already had a SB ring if he had a running game earlier. I used to be pretty hard on him but after last year I blame the owner and the coaches more.

 

[5Stars]

I think Romo would have already had a SB ring if he had a running game earlier. I used to be pretty hard on him but after last year I blame the owner and the coaches more.

Romo not only needed a running game, but he needed a defense to help him win with the teams he has been on.

When a joker says that Romo could not even beat a one legged Rodgers, which ever that joker is, it's a stupid thing to say.

Well, Romo had somewhat of a surprise last year because the defense came to play! And, this year, they are going to play even harder!

So, now, maybe Romo can beat a one legged Rodgers if needed. But, he cannot do it by himself like some jokers blame all the 8-8 stuff all on him.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

A QB doesn't have to throw a lot of int's to have a gunslinger nature. Romo idolized Favre and picked up some of his gunslinger style watching him. Even Parcells and Jerry referred to Romo as a gunslinger years ago and talked about how he needed to be reeled in some. You already mentioned his 4th highest TD to turnover ratio in the history of the game and his 2nd all-time passer rating in your continuing effort to try and convince me he's an excellent QB when I already know that. lol You continue to read negatives into my comments about him. I've supported Romo as the Cowboys QB ever since he took over and talked about how important it was to resign him after the 2012 season when many on the board wanted him traded or released. You and I had a discussion a couple of weeks ago how others view Romo and why he's disrespected. I said "they" still see the bobbled snap in Seattle and "they" see the QB who couldn't beat a one legged Aaron Rodgers. You tried to spin that's how I see him when I made it clear it's how "others' see him not me. Every comment I make about Romo gets twisted and turned by those who have an agenda.

A few years ago when Tebow was having the time of his life in Denver a Romo vs Tebow thread got started. I pointed out the only thing Tebow might have over Romo is leadership and naturally one of the Jr High crowd who has an agenda claimed I said Tebow is better than Romo. A few others decided to play monkey see monkey do and go along with it. There's a Jr High mentality amongst a few here. I said Romo and the defense sucked vs Washington in the season finale 3 years ago and of course someone with an agenda twisted that claiming I said Romo sucks. No one has to deal with a more immature group than I have to deal with. As for Romo being the best QB last season not according to the MVP voters. Romo got a lot more help from his RB than Aaron Rodgers got from his which is why Murray received the same number of MVP votes as Romo. Romo is a "very good" QB but he doesn't have the accomplishments/skins needed to be considered a "great" QB in my opinion. He has "elite skills" but it takes a certain number of a accomplishments to be considered an "elite/great" QB." If someone wants to spin that into me hating on Romo they can continue making themselves look foolish. I give honest opinions that's how I roll and if some can't handle that ignore or scroll over my posts.

Making progress. Now Romo is an excellent qb.

I guess we can stop blaming our 500 record on him right?