Murray will be too expensive to keep

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With this OL we should be using RB by committee anyway, 50-60% Murray and split the rest.

 

[Bullflop]

I'm sure that Linehan has been told to run the ball more his entire career, I don't know how much more he will run this year than before.

I'm not sold he's been told that at all . . . he had a pretty doggone good QB before coming to Dallas. At any rate, we'll see.

 

[LittleD]

If you look at what Murray will get on the open market, you can bet that he gets around 8 million per year from some team out there. That's entirely too expensive for a pass happy team in the Dallas Cowboys.

It'll be important at some point for us to try to maximize his value. Best option would be if we don't franchise Dez next year (meaning we've re-signed or traded him) is to find a trade market for Murray after franchising him.

I fully expect with the offensive line we have this year, that he is going to put up massive numbers. We could get a pretty considerate compensation in trading him. Probably not Trent Richardson value, but I wouldn't be surprised if we couldn't get a 2nd or 3rd for him, maybe even more than that if he has the productive year he is capable of.

I think we have a lot of running backs behind him that will be able to step up in his place now. Even Joseph Randle who were were all pretty down on is coming on stronger given the competition I suppose. Not sure whether I would trade Murray this year, but given the right price, that would be a possibility too.

But the fact is, this guy is gone next year, we shouldn't come up empty handed this time.

I agree that he is probably gone but to think we could trade him is just not living in the real world.
Teams don't overpay for RB's these days. It's unlikely that any team would give you much when
they know he's going to be a free agent. We might...might be able to get a 7th if someone was
desperate but no team is giving a 2nd or 3rd when you can get a descent RB in any round of the
draft. He's probably gone because Dallas isn't giving out Barber contracts any longer...I hope!!!

 

[burmafrd]

The trend is clear; RB is a position seen as more and more irrelevant as regards spending big bucks on. Sure a few teams will; but then you always have some people who are behind the curve.

Fact is that Murray is not considered more than maybe a top 10 RB in the league. Mainly because of his injuries. Extending a back who has never been able to play all 16 games is MORONIC.

I have no doubt that some team might be stupid and offer him 5 million or more a year. As long as its NOT the Boys I am fine with it.

IF he were to have a probowl year and play in all 16 games this season I would be happy with $4 million a year. NO MORE.

 

[John813]

Good. He's been too unreliable to offer any big deal to.

Let him play the year out. If he wants to much, cya, and draft another back in the 3rd-4th round.

 

[LittleD]

With this OL we should be using RB by committee anyway, 50-60% Murray and split the rest.

Agree 100%. Instead of spending money on a RB who would be pushing late 20's, just spend another high draft
pick on a RT next draft and let Free hit the market. Keep building the lines and we will hit gold. It's the big
uglies that win championships.

 

[Galian Beast]

I agree that he is probably gone but to think we could trade him is just not living in the real world.
Teams don't overpay for RB's these days. It's unlikely that any team would give you much when
they know he's going to be a free agent. We might...might be able to get a 7th if someone was
desperate but no team is giving a 2nd or 3rd when you can get a descent RB in any round of the
draft. He's probably gone because Dallas isn't giving out Barber contracts any longer...I hope!!!

That just isn't reflected by real data. Just last year Trent Richardson was traded for a 1st round draft pick. Every running back in the top 10 is getting paid at least 6.4 million dollars.

People take anecdote and perception entirely too far.

 

[Galian Beast]

The trend is clear; RB is a position seen as more and more irrelevant as regards spending big bucks on. Sure a few teams will; but then you always have some people who are behind the curve.

Fact is that Murray is not considered more than maybe a top 10 RB in the league. Mainly because of his injuries. Extending a back who has never been able to play all 16 games is MORONIC.

I have no doubt that some team might be stupid and offer him 5 million or more a year. As long as its NOT the Boys I am fine with it.

IF he were to have a probowl year and play in all 16 games this season I would be happy with $4 million a year. NO MORE.

He made the pro bowl last year, and is certainly considered a top 10 back. He is just outside that top 5 window. He played in 14 games last year, and if he performs the same this year, he'll get paid. 4 million? You're in fantasy land here.

 

[LittleD]

That just isn't reflected by real data. Just last year Trent Richardson was traded for a 1st round draft pick. Every running back in the top 10 is getting paid at least 6.4 million dollars.

People take anecdote and perception entirely too far.

Trent Richardson was a 1st round pick and viewed much higher than Murray. I think it is highly foolish to pay
a RB anything over 4mil unless they are the second coming of AP. Just sayin...!
Maybe Jacksonville or Cleveland would offer Murray big money but there's a reason those teams
are always picking at the top of the 1st round right?

 

[Hardline]

Murray's replacement right here... only if he is BPA on the Cowboys draft board at the slot they will be picking in the second round.. The Supreme Todd Gurley Highlights:

 

[Galian Beast]

Trent Richardson was a 1st round pick and viewed much higher than Murray. I think it is highly foolish to pay
a RB anything over 4mil unless they are the second coming of AP. Just sayin...!
Maybe Jacksonville or Cleveland would offer Murray big money but there's a reason those teams
are always picking at the top of the 1st round right?

Trent Richardson was a 1st round pick and was traded for a 1st rounder. Murray has had a better career than him so far, and has outplayed his draft position, which doesn't matter at this point.

I'm not saying we should pay him more than 4 million, but the reality is that he will make more than that.

I swear people don't read threads that they reply to, and just assume whatever feels right to them...

 

[Galian Beast]

Murray's replacement right here... only if he is BPA on the Cowboys draft board at the slot they will be picking in the second round.. The Supreme Todd Gurley Highlights:

I'd like to see if anyone in our current crop of running backs could do the job before investing picks into the position. The defense needs all the help it can get. Outside of a guard or tackle next year, I'd hope we draft only defensive players.

 

[Hardline]

I'd like to see if anyone in our current crop of running backs could do the job before investing picks into the position. The defense needs all the help it can get. Outside of a guard or tackle next year, I'd hope we draft only defensive players.

I am all for drafting all the defensive help we can get as long as they are BPA at the time the Cowboys draft slots come up.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

We will come back to this at the end of the season...
If Murray has a 1200 yard season @ 5ypc, it won't be an easy decision.
When I watch teams like the lions, phins, cardinals... and a whole list of others struggle to run the ball, or find a back worthy of giving them a solid running game..... it's a amazing to me how people think, "We'll just get a bunch of backs, that equals one."

Not really.... keep em honest, run the ball, have a back who can play 3 downs, and three phases.. block, run, catch........ If he plays well enough, without injury, pay him. The going rate for a running back has come down anyway. He's not getting AP money wherever he signs.


Even the steelers can't run the ball consistently these days..... THE STEELERS!

 

[CyberB0b]

8 Million per year? My question is 8 million what. Pesos? Yen? He ain't getting anywhere near 8 million dollars/yr. Or, perhaps in today's RB market, he might get $8M total for a 3-4 year deal.

Agreed. No one will pay 8 million a year for a running back, unless it is Adrian Peterson.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

I am all for drafting all the defensive help we can get as long as they are BPA at the time the Cowboys draft slots come up.

QB & RB may both be on the board, depending on salary & health come next season.

 

[conner01]

i think you still need a quality rb even with a good oline
i don't think anyone will pay murray 8 mil a year but we shall see
i don't think he will be resigned because i think he will get more than we will want to pay but much less than 8 mil
those rb's who are getting the big bucks have a few years of production to show they are for real. i think murray will get something in the 5 to 6 mil range and i think thats more than i would spend on him

 

[conner01]

We will come back to this at the end of the season...
If Murray has a 1200 yard season @ 5ypc, it won't be an easy decision.
When I watch teams like the lions, phins, cardinals... and a whole list of others struggle to run the ball, or find a back worthy of giving them a solid running game..... it's a amazing to me how people think, "We'll just get a bunch of backs, that equals one."

Not really.... keep em honest, run the ball, have a back who can play 3 downs, and three phases.. block, run, catch........ If he plays well enough, without injury, pay him. The going rate for a running back has come down anyway. He's not getting AP money wherever he signs.


Even the steelers can't run the ball consistently these days..... THE STEELERS!

i agree you still need a quality back even if you have a good oline, which the steelers don't. i like murray and i think he is a very good rb. but i don't think you can pay 5 or 6 mil a year for a rb when you have dez, smith, romo and others making so much. at some positions you just have to keep reloading with the cap they way it is and rb is one of the easier positions to keep reloading. and you always have the option of a short term deal with a vet to add depth there

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

oline does not hold on to the ball, find the hole quickly or efficiently, break tackles, or prove to be solid outlets for catching the ball out of the backfield.
a rb still has to be good at his job, and if his talent is exceptional, he will put extreme pressure on the opposing team.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

i agree you still need a quality back even if you have a good oline, which the steelers don't. i like murray and i think he is a very good rb. but i don't think you can pay 5 or 6 mil a year for a rb when you have dez, smith, romo and others making so much. at some positions you just have to keep reloading with the cap they way it is and rb is one of the easier positions to keep reloading. and you always have the option of a short term deal with a vet to add depth there

I don't know what his value will be at the end of this year. That's yet to be determined. He's had injury issues in previous years. Obviously Dallas has a budget, and you don't break the bank to keep him, but If he triumphs his value this year and Dallas has a big year, especially with Tony's questions... than Dallas has to consider finding a way to keep him. ... I'm willing to see how the year turns out... I like Murrary, good back.... I don't love him....... but at least he gives us an option to run, and make teams respect it.

and yes, of course there is a balance, good oline, good back = good running game... any of those things off, and your ground game will be inconsistent at best.