Murray won't get a big offer anywhere

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Wow, I'll try and make this easy for you. Murray never came anywhere near this year's production in a season before. He spent much of it hurt.

An "average" means what you did with the opportunities you were given. You made the comment about average per carry, not me. And that mattered for Murray before, but not Randle and Dunbar now? How selective of you.

There's a long list of backs that could have put up big numbers behind this line. The football world agrees with me.

He didn't come close to this year's production, but last season, he showed signs of being really productive. That's without Martin too. For whatever reason, Dallas did not want to run the ball last year.
 

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He didn't come close to this year's production, but last season, he showed signs of being really productive. That's without Martin too. For whatever reason, Dallas did not want to run the ball last year.

I was just responding to another comment.

Garrett has said they couldn't run effectivelybefore without using a "smoke and mirrors" approach. Martin was the final piece to running with a power running scheme.
 

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Behind THIS line....
JEEEEEEEEEESUS.
 

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In the grand scheme of things it's easier to sign a rb and draft a pass rusher. Than vice versa.

Along this line of thinking, what about signing Suh, drafting defensive line in the first, and RB in the second?

Just a thought. I think Suh would change this defense immeasurably.
 

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I think that's even more incentive for them to do it.

What better way to wash away the stink from that deal than to sign "the NFL's leading rusher"?

Well, One problem. I think Murray is more like Trent Richardson in their running styles and would probably fare about as well as Richardson did with the Colts present OL. Murray and Richardson are more alike than different in my opinion.

I'm sure the Colts would be more interested in Dunbar and Randle.
 

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Emmitt Smith couldn't run behind that ridiculous offensive line.

Murray struggled here until the offensive line was in place. He'll struggle there, too.

He has had a good YPC average his whole career. Just because he didn't get the carries, didn't mean that he wasn't productive. This year's team is totally different in how they run the ball from a play calling standpoint, not as much as OL talent (although that has improved / jelled).
 

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And that's the point of my post. I just don't think there's a ton of money out there for him. The market is flooded, and it's not a highly valued position he plays.

We'll see. You may end up being right.
 

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Well, One problem. I think Murray is more like Trent Richardson in their running styles and would probably fare about as well as Richardson did with the Colts present OL. Murray and Richardson are more alike than different in my opinion.

I'm sure the Colts would be more interested in Dunbar and Randle.

I see a lot more explosiveness from Murray than I do Richardson.

I don't know what's happened to that guy.
 

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I was just responding to another comment.

Garrett has said they couldn't run effectively before without using a "smoke and mirrors" approach. Martin was the final piece to running with a power running scheme.

I don't really buy this line. I saw plenty of situations last season where they didn't run as opposed to failed attempts where they couldn't run.

This season was markedly better, but it still wasn't without its' own set of blunders, the 3rd and 1 play before the half in this most recent game springing to mind.

For a team that ran as well as we did, I couldn't help but notice a ton of empty backfield sets and a lack of running on 3rd downs. I just wish I had concrete numbers to show it.
 

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Wow, I'll try and make this easy for you. Murray never came anywhere near this year's production in a season before. He spent much of it hurt.

An "average" means what you did with the opportunities you were given. You made the comment about average per carry, not me. And that mattered for Murray before, but not Randle and Dunbar now? How selective of you.

There's a long list of backs that could have put up big numbers behind this line. The football world agrees with me.
Yes, because you and I know Randle and Dunbar have never sniffed feature back status or 1,000 yards in a season. Comparing them to Murray is asinine. Murray has essentially been a featured back since day 1 and nearly eclipsed 1,000 in 3 of his 4 seasons in the NFL.
Now, since you're so technical Murray has averaged 1,131 yards per season. has Dunbar or Randle?
 

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He can make up the difference, plus some, in endorsements if he stays in Dallas. The spotlight is infinitely brighter here.

It's much cheaper to live in Texas, too.

Also, he's very articulate. If you get a chance listed to some of his post game responses.
 

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I put this in the other Murray thread:

He can go to the following competitive teams and probably get paid more than 4 years 16 mill.

Indy
Seattle
Arizona
Ravens
Chargers
Giants
Falcons

There's got to be at least 1 team that pays more than 4 yr / 16 mil.

But there just has to be a reason he would rather stay with Dallas, I mean think of the endorsements and state income tax savings. I mean, everyone wants to be a Cowboy, right?
 

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It does not matter if he gets a "big offer", all he has to get is something more than Dallas is willing to pay.

Texas doesn't have a state income tax. If Murray goes to a team that is in a state that does have the tax, then he has to get an amount that further makes him unaffordable. The salary cap applies equally to all teams, regardless of a state income tax.
 

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Texas doesn't have a state income tax. If Murray goes to a team that is in a state that does have the tax, then he has to get an amount that further makes him unaffordable. The salary cap applies equally to all teams, regardless of a state income tax.

So if the state income tax is such a deal maker, how on earth is it that the Cowboys (and Texans) do not have to beat free agents off with a stick?

It is a nice perk, but not nearly as significant as it appears. If I am a marketable free agent, I take everything into account. Money, team environment, culture, the city I and my family have to live in, all of it. If it just so happens I get the perk, so be it.
 

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i want Murray here....He is a part of this Team....

"So who? Murray is not stupid, and he has to realize that winning the rushing title and staying on his original team - which happens to be the highest profile team in the league and is now a Super Bowl contender - is the better move here. Endorsement opportunities after signing should skyrocket for Murray after the season he just had, and he can make up the difference that way. Can't do that in Oakland or Cleveland."

Exactly. He has to understand that. His agent has to understand that;

I dont want to break the bank and sacrifice other areas, but if its between him and signing that "second" FA. I take Murray.

Give him a good contract and hope no one else goes nuts......
Now if another team does go nuts, I am happy for him..... and we have to part pays....

But I think he will be making a mistake unless its a team with a real viable shot at the SB. And I dont see those teams breaking the bank.
otherwise, in a few years, he is a footnote on sports center because he has one big game coming back from being out for 5 weeks with injury with some bottom of the tier team....
 

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So, what team is actually going to offer an insane pile of cash to Demarco Murray?

We're certain that's what he wants, and almost certain it isn't going to be Dallas that gives it to him. But somewhere amidst the discussions, we've never really thought through what the potential actually is outside of Valley Ranch for Murray.

Why would ANYBODY pay Murray huge money? It really makes no sense to do so.

First, most teams have a pretty good or better running back right now. It's much harder to think of teams that don't have good running backs than to think of the ones that do. Good running backs can be had for fairly cheap. There's not this desperate yearning for good running backs out there, especially when cap space is such a precious commodity and other positions are so much harder to find.

Second, Murray isn't the only fish out there. He could be competing with Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, and Frank Gore on the open market. Murray's lack of production and injuries prior to the formation of this gem of an offensive line work against him in that comparison.

Third, if you really need one, they're incredibly cheap in the draft, and this is a rich draft for running backs. Melvin Gordon, TJ Yeldon, Todd Gurley, Tevin Coleman, Duke Johnson, and several others can be had with a second-round pick. Murray was a 3rd rounder, so we know this well. Why not buy brand new tires for an 80 percent discount?

Fourth, Murray is not really that special. Yes, he's really good, but he doesn't have breakaway speed, he fumbles a bit much, he's had an injury history, and he's entering the latter phase of his career. Murray is more complete than most backs, he blocks well in protection, and he catches the ball well, but he's not the only back like that. Really, only Adrian Peterson is transcendent in terms of changing a game consistently.

I realize it only takes one team to change the market, but I don't see a team out there that is hankering for him so much they're willing to break the bank. The usual suspects, Washington and Oakland, come to mind, but the Commanders have a good back and the Raiders are OK there. Surely, Murray is smart enough to not go there for a rebuilding project for the sake of an extra few dollars.

I don't see a contending team that appears to be only a running back away from completing their puzzle. Maybe Baltimore? They're too smart to overpay an aging running back coming off a heavy workload.

So who? Murray is not stupid, and he has to realize that winning the rushing title and staying on his original team - which happens to be the highest profile team in the league and is now a Super Bowl contender - is the better move here. Endorsement opportunities after signing should skyrocket for Murray after the season he just had, and he can make up the difference that way. Can't do that in Oakland or Cleveland.

All in all, I think Murray will find a rather disinterested market out there. Dallas is playing this beautifully (they finally know what they're doing!), and that 4 years for $16 million might get it done if they just negotiate the amount guaranteed a bit.

I don't see Dallas placing the franchise tag on him, which will be over $10 million thanks to some stupidly regrettable contracts out there that teams are shedding. Might as well draft a running back and commit that money to going after Suh or someone else on the defensive line.

So while Dez is about to cash in big, Murray is probably not. Both, however, might sign for long term and stay in Dallas when it's all said and done.

If he's not that good, shouldn't we all want him gone? There is a reason we were as good as we were this year. There is a reason Romo had a great year. For almost 20 years we had sorry running backs, running back tandoms, wannabes, guys who fooled us and jerry. Now we have a guy some consider the best in the NFL. A guy who is in the discussion of mvp. A guy who carried us the entire season. Now people are saying anyone could do what he did this year. Hogwash!!! It's like the guy whos about to be dumped by his smart, knockout girlfriend because he's a cheapskate, so he starts making up dumb stuff about her to his friends. Cmon folks,
 
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