Mutually Parting Ways with Kellen Moore

[Momanpr100]

They never mention the post season, when all of the shiny stats actually count.

Remember what they use to say about Ware? Oh he only gets his sacks "when it doesn't matter" lol. And know he's a HOF

 

[T-RO]

I want to apologize to AC, Chuck, and ZMan if I my previous posts were a bit antagonistic. I had a bit too much 'juice' flowing at the time.

Good gawd. If you understood football better, you would know running some plays in an I formation would keep opposing Defenses guessing, thus better help your Offense. Plus, 3 Super Bowls were won in the 90s using this strategy.

It's *my opinion* that criticizing a coach because he doesn't run the FB-I-Formation--when nobody uses that offense anymore--is misplaced criticism.

Those comments have been posted by several former QBs like Kurt Warner, saying the blocking wasn’t right for the play and often questioning receivers off the ball not doing what should have been done to occupy defenders, things like crossing a DBs face or flatten8ng out a route or pushing more depth.

I too watched Warner's breakdown. Two notable things about it. He repeatedly concedes he doesn't always know the objectives of certain play designs. And when he questions receivers not crossing a DB's face...that's typically on the WR for not running the play as designed.

I had more issues with KM passing on 2nd and 2 with an empty set than him running on 2nd and long. Especially in the redzone. I had same issues with JG doing the same thing.

To re-iterate...it's *my opinion* that strategically passing on 2nd and short is one of the best places for big pass plays is because you are playing with house money. The big pass play goes incomplete and you can still be in great situation to pick up the first down. Also of note: The Cowboys were #1 last year in the NFL in scoring TDs when in the red zone.

I will concede that in 2022 Dallas didn't do particularly well in 2022 when passing on 2nd and short, falling well below league average, completing only 6 of 13.

 

[Haimerej]

Going back to 2018, 2 playcallers have had #1 offenses- Andy Reid 3 times and Kellen twice. It seems like the people who are critical of Moore rate Prescott higher than those who think Moore did well.

What's interesting to me is I don't think anyone would put Dak on Mahomes' level. Yet the only offense in the last 5 seasons to be #1 outside KC is Dallas. If most agree Dak is no Mahomes, that has to be an implicit endorsement of the playcaller.

 

[CCBoy]

Going back to 2018, 2 playcallers have had #1 offenses- Andy Reid 3 times and Kellen twice. It seems like the people who are critical of Moore rate Prescott higher than those who think Moore did well.

What's interesting to me is I don't think anyone would put Dak on Mahomes' level. Yet the only offense in the last 5 seasons to be #1 outside KC is Dallas. If most agree Dak is no Mahomes, that has to be an implicit endorsement of the playcaller.

Sorry, it's not all an either or situation. The team has evolved further and now have the talent to make their schemes work. We shall see the degree they are successful. But they will be successful and on a respectful level, now.

 

[erod]

Sorry, it's not all an either or situation. The team has evolved further and now have the talent to make their schemes work. We shall see the degree they are successful. But they will be successful and on a respectful level, now.

But will Moore shine in LA with Herbert?

 

[CCBoy]

But will Moore shine in LA with Herbert?

They have a good team...so that game will be good for Dallas. I'm not afraid of More, and McCarthy is better at calling plays. Dallas should win it, but it is still a football game and things do go wrong, no matter how much blame some chunk at particular players. Responsibility rests at the very top and isn't worked up to that level instead. I'm pulling for out Cowboys and expect a win.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I want to apologize to AC, Chuck, and ZMan if I my previous posts were a bit antagonistic. I had a bit too much 'juice' flowing at the time.



It's *my opinion* that criticizing a coach because he doesn't run the FB-I-Formation--when nobody uses that offense anymore--is misplaced criticism.


I too watched Warner's breakdown. Two notable things about it. He repeatedly concedes he doesn't always know the objectives of certain play designs. And when he questions receivers not crossing a DB's face...that's typically on the WR for not running the play as designed.



To re-iterate...it's *my opinion* that strategically passing on 2nd and short is one of the best places for big pass plays is because you are playing with house money. The big pass play goes incomplete and you can still be in great situation to pick up the first down. Also of note: The Cowboys were #1 last year in the NFL in scoring TDs when in the red zone.

I will concede that in 2022 Dallas didn't do particularly well in 2022 when passing on 2nd and short, falling well below league average, completing only 6 of 13.

No problem brother. It's all good.

 

[doomsday9084]

I want to apologize to AC, Chuck, and ZMan if I my previous posts were a bit antagonistic. I had a bit too much 'juice' flowing at the time.



It's *my opinion* that criticizing a coach because he doesn't run the FB-I-Formation--when nobody uses that offense anymore--is misplaced criticism.


I too watched Warner's breakdown. Two notable things about it. He repeatedly concedes he doesn't always know the objectives of certain play designs. And when he questions receivers not crossing a DB's face...that's typically on the WR for not running the play as designed.



To re-iterate...it's *my opinion* that strategically passing on 2nd and short is one of the best places for big pass plays is because you are playing with house money. The big pass play goes incomplete and you can still be in great situation to pick up the first down. Also of note: The Cowboys were #1 last year in the NFL in scoring TDs when in the red zone.

I will concede that in 2022 Dallas didn't do particularly well in 2022 when passing on 2nd and short, falling well below league average, completing only 6 of 13.

Random comments:
- Passing on second and short is a great idea. Passing on second and short with an empty backfield is asinine, which is an important part of the point made. The goal is to try to convince the other team that you are going to run and then take a shot downfield. Its the best situation for play action. Getting to that . . .
- The I formation is a dead formation but the single back is not. If you look at the percentages, Dallas used to play more from under center with the shotgun % going up every year. Single back under center gives the RB far more options and also opens up the play action game. Going to the gun so much neutered other parts of the offense.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Going back to 2018, 2 playcallers have had #1 offenses- Andy Reid 3 times and Kellen twice. It seems like the people who are critical of Moore rate Prescott higher than those who think Moore did well.

What's interesting to me is I don't think anyone would put Dak on Mahomes' level. Yet the only offense in the last 5 seasons to be #1 outside KC is Dallas. If most agree Dak is no Mahomes, that has to be an implicit endorsement of the playcaller.

but he failed in the playoffs. we can't give all the credit and none of the blame. Moore got schooled by another good DC. that was his achilles heel.

 

[GINeric]

Going back to 2018, 2 playcallers have had #1 offenses- Andy Reid 3 times and Kellen twice. It seems like the people who are critical of Moore rate Prescott higher than those who think Moore did well.

What's interesting to me is I don't think anyone would put Dak on Mahomes' level. Yet the only offense in the last 5 seasons to be #1 outside KC is Dallas. If most agree Dak is no Mahomes, that has to be an implicit endorsement of the playcaller.

Dak definitely isn't Mahomes, but Moore is trash. I'm sorry, but that guy doesn't have the intelligence of a true NFL caliber offensive coordinator.

Remember when teams like the Rams or Broncos ran for over 200 yards on our defense?? You know why they did that? Because we couldn't stop the damn running game.

Coaches like McVay, Kyle Shanahan, Reid, John Harbaugh, etc would destroy you with the run game or whatever it is that you can't stop ALLLLLL game.

You know what idiots like Kellen Moore does when we're gashing our opponent's defenses for 5, 6 yards a pop and our opponents tongues are hanging out with their hands on their hips???

Moore's dumb *** would call pass plays on 2nd, 3rd, then 4th and short or goal. Or he would call some dumb trick reverse play that gets stopped for a loss of two yards. His in-game awareness and adjustments to the flow of the game is trash.

If someone can't stop something you're doing, you keep doing it until they show they can stop it. Nahhh.... Kellen Moore's low football IQ *** has to try some fancy **** instead of sticking to what's working.

 

[DFWJC]

But will Moore shine in LA with Herbert?

Yes

 

[Diehardblues]

But will Moore shine in LA with Herbert?

And that’s going to be the measurement . As well as will Prescott be more efficient and productive with McCarthy.

That’s what makes this situation so compelling. We will actually be able to draw some real comparisons . Should make for some high drama in social and mainstream media as well as on these forums .

 

[Haimerej]

Sorry, it's not all an either or situation. The team has evolved further and now have the talent to make their schemes work. We shall see the degree they are successful. But they will be successful and on a respectful level, now.

You say they have the talent to make the scheme work, but all I've been seeing all off-season is how the talent sucked- o-line sucked, Zeke sucked, WRs were horrible outside of CD, etc.

 

[Haimerej]

but he failed in the playoffs. we can't give all the credit and none of the blame. Moore got schooled by another good DC. that was his achilles heel.

As I said earlier, the playoffs are when the talent shines or gets exposed. You don't find poorly coached teams in the playoffs. Or are you suggesting they executed perfectly in SF?

 

[Haimerej]

Dak definitely isn't Mahomes, but Moore is trash. I'm sorry, but that guy doesn't have the intelligence of a true NFL caliber offensive coordinator.

Remember when teams like the Rams or Broncos ran for over 200 yards on our defense?? You know why they did that? Because we couldn't stop the damn running game.

Coaches like McVay, Kyle Shanahan, Reid, John Harbaugh, etc would destroy you with the run game or whatever it is that you can't stop ALLLLLL game.

You know what idiots like Kellen Moore does when we're gashing our opponent's defenses for 5, 6 yards a pop and our opponents tongues are hanging out with their hands on their hips???

Moore's dumb *** would call pass plays on 2nd, 3rd, then 4th and short or goal. Or he would call some dumb trick reverse play that gets stopped for a loss of two yards. His in-game awareness and adjustments to the flow of the game is trash.

If someone can't stop something you're doing, you keep doing it until they show they can stop it. Nahhh.... Kellen Moore's low football IQ *** has to try some fancy **** instead of sticking to what's working.

He doesn't know anything but has had the 2nd most productive offense in the league since he took over. You must think this team is the most talented team in the league.

 

[Diehardblues]

You say they have the talent to make the scheme work, but all I've been seeing all off-season is how the talent sucked- o-line sucked, Zeke sucked, WRs were horrible outside of CD, etc.

Therein lies the root of the issue . Some fans aren’t willing to accept our deficiencies may possibly rest more on our lack of talent and or execution.

I think some fans think we have an Elite QB, RB , receiving Corp and OL. We aren’t as talented throughout as hyped especially when we have injury issues.

It will be interesting to see how these fans react if the struggles continue or worsen with McCarthy. And why this season sets up beautifully for this discussion . Should be fun

 

[Zman5]

Going back to 2018, 2 playcallers have had #1 offenses- Andy Reid 3 times and Kellen twice. It seems like the people who are critical of Moore rate Prescott higher than those who think Moore did well.

What's interesting to me is I don't think anyone would put Dak on Mahomes' level. Yet the only offense in the last 5 seasons to be #1 outside KC is Dallas. If most agree Dak is no Mahomes, that has to be an implicit endorsement of the playcaller.

Then why did the offense go south and ended up ranking 17th in 2020 after Dak went down?

If KM was the reason the offense did well, he should have done much better than 17th with Andy Dalton in 2020.

 

[TexasHillbilly]

That’s the beauty of this. We are going to find out who this was more about.

If Moore was a fraud he will be exposed . And we will see if McCarthy can make the improvement needed. Can’t ask for much more high drama than that.

Let’s hope our issues aren’t more about our QB.

I get your point and though it is a good one, there are a few more factors that affect a qb, coach, and team as a whole. One coach, one player doesn't always account for the lack of post/regular season success. I still say we win 11-12 games if we can stay relatively healthy. It's the playoffs that worry me.....but I won't start being worried until December.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

As I said earlier, the playoffs are when the talent shines or gets exposed. You don't find poorly coached teams in the playoffs. Or are you suggesting they executed perfectly in SF?

yes you do find poorly coached teams make the playoffs. it takes all three phases of the game in the playoffs to get run and go deep.
there are teams that get to the playoffs depending on how the season played out, but they are not really contenders due to multiple factors, talent as well as coaching.
Garrett made the playoffs. few times. was he a good coach? or was the team poorly coached. we all saw the bone headed decisions he made right in front of our eyes and it had nothing to do with Dak.

secondly, was the right plan to execute? a bad plan never leads to good execution. so yes, I question that. it wasn't Moore's first time not having a good plan in place and not being able to address.

you want to exonerate Moore from all fault. your choice. but I hold him accountable as well.

 

[Haimerej]

Then why did the offense go south and ended up ranking 17th in 2020 after Dak went down?

If KM was the reason the offense did well, he should have done much better than 17th with Andy Dalton in 2020.

You expecting a steak when you get ground beef? As ridiculous as this assertion is, I'll indulge. Here's how Andy Dalton led offenses have ranked since 2017-

Yardage-

2017- 32nd
2018- 26th
2019- 26th
2020- 14th
2021- 24th
2022- 19th

Average- 23.5
Average without Kellen- 25.4

Points-

2017- 26th
2018- 17th
2019- 30th
2020- 17th
2021- 27th
2022- 22nd

Average- 23.16
Without Kellen- 24.4

Take note of which year was the most productive. Kellen took Dalton to the best production of his last 6 years in the league. Dalton ranked 10 spots higher in yards and 7 spots higher in points than his average with Kellen calling plays.