Mutually Parting Ways with Kellen Moore

[plasticman]

True, Campo's two seasons Jerry was pure gun shy and needing to trust in a Head Coach not to set him up...

Three seasons.

Three seasons of back to back to back 5-11 records, the worse string of seasons since the Cowboys expansion years. Of course, Jerry's cap management, drafting and trading were also major contributors to those "dark ages."

However.....some believe that Jason Garrett with an 85-67 record was Jerry's biggest mistake.

Garrett wasn't Jerry's best choice but he certainly wasn't the worse.

 

[CCBoy]

I stand corrected on the number of seasons...

 

[GINeric]

None but he’s been to a couple championship games and might like his chances to get to another one before Prescott.

I’m not trying to say Garrett is greater. This is just your way to re-spin my argument since it didn’t sit well with you.

I’m saying it’s more about the talent than coaching.

And that's fine but the goal isn't to make it to conference championship games. The goal is to win Superbowls and Rodgers was unable to do that without McCarthy.

With that said, Rodgers has the same amount of rings as Trent Dilpher and Nick Foles. Let that sink in for a minute.

 

[Diehardblues]

Three seasons.

Three seasons of back to back to back 5-11 records, the worse string of seasons since the Cowboys expansion years. Of course, Jerry's cap management, drafting and trading were also major contributors to those "dark ages."

However.....some believe that Jason Garrett with an 85-67 record was Jerry's biggest mistake.

Garrett wasn't Jerry's best choice but he certainly wasn't the worse.

Right. I was waiting for someone to correct the two 5-11 seasons with Campo. It was 3 straight. Well done . That was lowest point in Jethro era.

But maybe not worst 3 year stretch since expansion years: 1987 7-8, 1988 3-13, 1989- 1-15 only produced 11 wins.

 

[Diehardblues]

And that's fine but the goal isn't to make it to conference championship games. The goal is to win Superbowls and Rodgers was unable to do that without McCarthy.

With that said, Rodgers has the same amount of rings as Trent Dilpher and Nick Foles. Let that sink in for a minute.

The ultimate goal is winning Super Bowls but the Cowboys immediate goal after 27 years of futility in playoffs is making a conference championship game.

And before I’d be bragging too much over 1 Super Bowl with McCarthy at Green Bay I’d be curious how you go 12 seasons with Rodgers with only 1 Super Bowl?

Are you saying Rodgers is same talent level as Dilfer and Foles or was McCarthy possibly holding him back?

 

[plasticman]

Right. I was waiting for someone to correct the two 5-11 seasons with Campo. It was 3 straight. Well done . That was lowest point in Jethro era.

But maybe not worst 3 year stretch since expansion years: 1987 7-8, 1988 3-13, 1989- 1-15 only produced 11 wins.

Technically, but we are talking about the last seasons of Landry and the first season of Jimmy. Specifically, we look at Jerry's choice for a HC and the sum total of that coaches record in Dallas as a HC.

 

[GINeric]

The ultimate goal is winning Super Bowls but the Cowboys immediate goal after 27 years of futility in playoffs is making a conference championship game.

And before I’d be bragging too much over 1 Super Bowl with McCarthy at Green Bay I’d be curious how you go 12 seasons with Rodgers with only 1 Super Bowl?

Are you saying Rodgers is same talent level as Dilfer and Foles or was McCarthy possibly holding him back?

How many years have Rodgers been playing without McCarthy?? So how have McCarthy been holding him back when he wasn't there for years??

 

[cowboyed]

Most likely it was a scapegoat move on Moore. Especially since he was picked up so quickly by the Chargers for their up and coming stud at QB.

It was a great move for Moore where his success there with a top 5 offense will escalate him much faster to a HC opportunity.

The Cowboys have proven this era to be more of a dead-end for coaches this era. It’s where their career ends or last stop for most of our HC and none of our asst coaches I recall have been promoted to HC on another team since Jimmy left.

Most likely you are least likely to be correct in your assessment of Moore's departure from the team. I stand corrected in advance if you are on the Dallas Cowboys coaching or management staff and just like to hang around in the forum.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Was Dak more productive before or after Moore took over OC?

And why it’s going to be interesting to see how he does with McCarthy. Will it be better or worse. Made for TV high drama.

you are looking to create drama. the same complaints about Dak and his performance against better teams can also be made about Moore. there are 110,342 posts about that.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It’s still left to be seen if they uplifted Prescott or not.

Until we see how McCarthy’s offense and play-calling does with him it’s entirely possible they were optimizing Daks skills.

so you think a first year OC with all of one year of experience uplifted a QB....seriously. you think that? you think NFL coaches are picked from the tree in your back yard and its just plug and play? really!!! You think that.

sounds like you have an agenda to drive and you are just trying to piegeon hole everything to your argument.

and lets wait and see how McCarthy does before we annoint Moore to HOF

 

[T-RO]

I had more issues with KM passing on 2nd and 2 with an empty set

Your comment utterly disqualifies you as understanding modern football.

There simply is no better situation for passing aggression than 2nd and short.

 

[Diehardblues]

so you think a first year OC with all of one year of experience uplifted a QB....seriously. you think that? you think NFL coaches are picked from the tree in your back yard and its just plug and play? really!!! You think that.

sounds like you have an agenda to drive and you are just trying to piegeon hole everything to your argument.

and lets wait and see how McCarthy does before we annoint Moore to HOF

I don’t have to think it in order to provide a possibility. Like I have said we will see for ourselves . I’ll wait for the results before arriving at a final conclusion .

And Moore despite his inexperience early on was being claimed to be an up and coming OC for turning our offense and QB statistically into a top 5 caliber . It wasn’t until our offense and QB stumbled in the playoffs that questions or concerns arose for most.

The fact he was swooped up by another playoff contender with one of the brightest up and coming star studded QB’s would suggest he at least for now is still sought after.

Regardless what side of the fence you are on this situation sets up for a dramatic exhibition. I’m very much looking forward to see how it all shakes out.

 

[T-RO]

TO was GREAT for Romo's career.

TO was pure poison for Romo's career.

This I know.
All call me...T-RO for a reason

 

[Diehardblues]

you are looking to create drama. the same complaints about Dak and his performance against better teams can also be made about Moore. there are 110,342 posts about that.

I’m not creating it. That’s being done on its own. I’m simply pointing it out.

If I recall correctly Dak was struggling against better defenses before Moore became OC.

 

[Diehardblues]

Most likely you are least likely to be correct in your assessment of Moore's departure from the team. I stand corrected in advance if you are on the Dallas Cowboys coaching or management staff and just like to hang around in the forum.

That’s the wonder of this particular situation as it sets up for us being able to draw a better conclusion to was it more about our OC and play-calling or our QB and execution .

Just can’t draw it up much better for everyone to see for themself. Should be fun and made for social media fan forum dialogue

 

[T-RO]

Both Tony and Dak hit Dez in stride on crossing routes and it worked. Moore got away from those.

What the hell are you talking are you talking about? Dez was gone before Moore was coaching.

 

[T-RO]

I couldn't stand how Kellen Moore never (maybe once or twice at most) played Dak under Center and hardly ever used a Fullback in an "I" formation the way the 90s Cowboys did. I felt this would have helped Dak tremendously while keeping opposing Defenses guessing.

Good gawd. What teams are still running Fullbacks in I formation? Still haven't noticed the death of that idea five or ten years ago?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I don’t have to think it in order to provide a possibility. Like I have said we will see for ourselves . I’ll wait for the results before arriving at a final conclusion .

And Moore despite his inexperience early on was being claimed to be an up and coming OC for turning our offense and QB statistically into a top 5 caliber . It wasn’t until our offense and QB stumbled in the playoffs that questions or concerns arose for most.

The fact he was swooped up by another playoff contender with one of the brightest up and coming star studded QB’s would suggest he at least for now is still sought after.

Regardless what side of the fence you are on this situation sets up for a dramatic exhibition. I’m very much looking forward to see how it all shakes out.

you can see. so can I. so I guess its eye test thing.

and lets wait until we see the results. but I find it interesting. that the complaints were about Dak doing better against weaker teams and collecting stats. not doing so well against stronger teams. that was the complaint, right? and then Moore gets a pass.

he was claimed to be up and coming. there are so many up and coming and gone candidates every year and every football magazine has a few opinions. but I find it funny, you say, it was claimed (by who?) and then when same publications or sources tout Dak, people dismiss it.

and lets see how Moore does, before you cover him in annointing oil.

its not about being on any side of the fence. its about being on cowboys side. again, its funny how far you have gone to defend Moore.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I’m not creating it. That’s being done on its own. I’m simply pointing it out.

If I recall correctly Dak was struggling against better defenses before Moore became OC.

no, there is no drama in my mind. Moore needed to go. I never wanted him as OC. I thought it was the wrong move. I complained the first year that it was a mistake. and that he will learn on the job making mistakes. and I was not surprised we cut ties. and go look at the records of Dak against better teams and his number of come back wins before and after Moore.

two years in, Moore displayed tendencies and NFL DCs picked up on that and the offense became predictable. if my sons and I on TV, none of us NFL experts can call a play we are about to run, that should tell a lot.

 

[T-RO]

but there was definitely a lack of attention to all the little coaching details that make plays effective and consistent.

Funny how Moore's "lack of details" didn't deter him from having top offenses, year after year. Without top personnel.

You Moore critics pull nonsense criticism out your wahoo. Smell it first, post it later, is a good rule of thumb.