Mutually Parting Ways with Kellen Moore

[jazzcat22]

What the hell are you talking are you talking about? Dez was gone before Moore was coaching.

Right, Moore never or rarely ran crossing routes with any player.
I was pointing out that they worked with Dez. So why did not Moore use that with Dak with other WR's?
Part of why I am glad Moore is gone.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Good gawd. What teams are still running Fullbacks in I formation? Still haven't noticed the death of that idea five or ten years ago?

Good gawd. If you understood football better, you would know running some plays in an I formation would keep opposing Defenses guessing, thus better help your Offense. Plus, 3 Super Bowls were won in the 90s using this strategy.

 

[tyke1doe]

I agree. Parcells was needed. And it ended up going well for this team because it got us from the gutter of the Campo era. But he really did burn us. Can't be stated enough. From his insistent on "Parcells guys" to letting Payton walk...hell he almost screwed up even having Romo to begin with. Insistence on Marcus Spears(Love the guy but not the best move) in the 1st round. Then come to find out he wanted Spears first over Ware....

And don't forget nepotism thy name is Bobby Carpenter and failing to attack mail carriers and grocery store clerks subbing as corner backs in the Seattle secondary in the infamous bobble by Romo playoff game.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

And don't forget nepotism thy name is Bobby Carpenter and failing to attack mail carriers and grocery store clerks subbing as corner backs in the Seattle secondary in the infamous bobble by Romo playoff game.

Yuck…forgot all about Barbie…..

 

[Momanpr100]

The #1 second half scoring offense couldn't make adjustments. Lol

They were the #4 second half scoring offense in both 2019 and 2021. Top 5 second half scoring team 3 out of his 4 years. Only time they weren't was the disaster of 2020, although they were #1 before Dak went down.

I guess stats only matter for Kellen Moore

 

[Big_D]

The two worst things that could happen were the wins the team had when Wade was fired and the 2014 season as they both have Garrett life in Jerry’s eyes.

Those wins were classic Garrett with nothing on the line.. that was his specialty. What a frickin debacle that entire era was. From day 1 back in 2007, you knew Jerry was going to cling to him for as long as possible. 13 seasons is sad and pathetic when the owner decides he rather just throw those years in the garbage for the sake of being comfortable. Hoping he had the perfect long term yes man. When he blamed Phillips and hired Garrett???? I still get irate just thinking about it. Almost as irate as the Phillips/Garrett combo in the first place. Typical dumazz decision making at its finest.

 

[Haimerej]

I guess stats only matter for Kellen Moore

You judge a coordinator by the production of his offense or defense. There's also a hierarchy of stats- wins>points>yards.

There's also the point I was responding to- "he didn't make adjustments." How would you measure adjustments? I would say measuring 2nd half production would be a good way to start. You got a better way, let us know.

 

[Diehardblues]

no, there is no drama in my mind. Moore needed to go. I never wanted him as OC. I thought it was the wrong move. I complained the first year that it was a mistake. and that he will learn on the job making mistakes. and I was not surprised we cut ties. and go look at the records of Dak against better teams and his number of come back wins before and after Moore.

two years in, Moore displayed tendencies and NFL DCs picked up on that and the offense became predictable. if my sons and I on TV, none of us NFL experts can call a play we are about to run, that should tell a lot.

Regardless whether we we think Moore should have gone or not which I’m not necessarily promoting either side the table is set for us draw comparisons this season which could create drama for the media and fans who are seeking it.

 

[Diehardblues]

you can see. so can I. so I guess its eye test thing.

and lets wait until we see the results. but I find it interesting. that the complaints were about Dak doing better against weaker teams and collecting stats. not doing so well against stronger teams. that was the complaint, right? and then Moore gets a pass.

he was claimed to be up and coming. there are so many up and coming and gone candidates every year and every football magazine has a few opinions. but I find it funny, you say, it was claimed (by who?) and then when same publications or sources tout Dak, people dismiss it.

and lets see how Moore does, before you cover him in annointing oil.

its not about being on any side of the fence. its about being on cowboys side. again, its funny how far you have gone to defend Moore.

You’re misreading my stance. I’m simply playing devils advocate.

And we can be on the Cowboys side while having critical thoughts and a more unbiased view.

 

[beware_d-ware]

KM put together two years of top 5 offenses, and I'd argue he didn't have a top 5 talent pool. Top 10, probably. Either way, he drove the Cowboys offense to its potential.

You can nitpick some of his calls - no coach bats 1000. But after a decade of Garrett gut runs and TE hitches, Moore's offense looked like freaking quantum physics.

McCarthy would do really well just to tread water and replicate what Moore has done. As it is, I fear that he is going to take this offense back into its Garrett / Linehan shell. This offense has much more room to regress than improve, because IMO it was already being schemed pretty optimally.

 

[starman22]

There must be a lot of really horrendous teams in this league if we had this massive albatross of an OC around the offenses collective neck and still managed to somehow win 24 regular season games the last 2 years.

The rest of the league is on notice, you will not be able to stop us any longer. We will score when and how we want to, and you are powerless to stop us.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Regardless whether we we think Moore should have gone or not which I’m not necessarily promoting either side the table is set for us draw comparisons this season which could create drama for the media and fans who are seeking it.

we will certainly get that opportunity.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You’re misreading my stance. I’m simply playing devils advocate.

And we can be on the Cowboys side while having critical thoughts and a more unbiased view.

I don't disagree. btw, I am not a dak supporter, nor hater. we don't have Elite QB. there is about 2 of them in the league at this point. at most, push comes to shove 3. doesn't mean 29 teams just lay down and play dead. you can get there, win it even with a non-elite QB. its just putting a team together than can compete.

 

[Chuck 54]

Funny how Moore's "lack of details" didn't deter him from having top offenses, year after year. Without top personnel.

You Moore critics pull nonsense criticism out your wahoo. Smell it first, post it later, is a good rule of thumb.

Those comments have been posted by several former QBs like Kurt Warner, saying the blocking wasn’t right for the play and often questioning receivers off the ball not doing what should have been done to occupy defenders, things like crossing a DBs face or flatten8ng out a route or pushing more depth. All of these professional critics were talking about how they ran the same plays and how important it was for these guys to take care of the little details.

Most of us don’t care what the offense was rated in the regular season because against better defenses in the playoffs, the offense has failed. Besides, what’s nonsense about Zack Martin saying there is more attention to detail and that he’s excited? It sounds more like you don’t want to believe it.

 

[G2]

I guess stats only matter for Kellen Moore

They never mention the post season, when all of the shiny stats actually count.

 

[G2]

You judge a coordinator by the production of his offense or defense. There's also a hierarchy of stats- wins>points>yards.

There's also the point I was responding to- "he didn't make adjustments." How would you measure adjustments? I would say measuring 2nd half production would be a good way to start. You got a better way, let us know.

See the post season "adjustments."

 

[Haimerej]

See the post season "adjustments."

Postseason is when the talent gets crowned or exposed. Players gotta execute.

 

[G2]

Postseason is when the talent gets crowned or exposed. Players gotta exec

Despite awful adjustments in the 2nd half?

 

[Haimerej]

Despite awful adjustments in the 2nd half?

Not many teams in the postseason making awful adjustments. Both teams do it, which is why the spotlight is on the players.

 

[CCBoy]

Bold Prediction: The Cowboys will finish top five in the league for interceptions. This might seem like low hanging fruit, but between Diggs, Gilmore, and Bland the trio has combined for 51 career interceptions, leaving plenty of reason to dream of a backfield full of ballhawks.

Biggest Challenge: Oct. 16 at the Los Angeles Chargers: Perhaps the biggest challenge the Cowboys' corners will face in 2023 will come against a person they know all too well. With former offensive coordinator Kellen Moore now calling the plays with the Chargers, the Cowboys will undoubtedly be put to the test against Justin Herbert and co. in Week 6.

Key Stat: 127 - While newly acquired Stephon Gilmore will have plenty of impact off the field by mentoring the Cowboys' younger corners, the former DPOY still has plenty left in the tank. He ranks second among active players with 127 pass deflections.
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Ler's just see where the storyline rests with this upcoming game!