My case for Suh

[Nightman]

Suh is a black hole away from getting us there.

Spencer/Draft-Crawford/Suh-Suh/Brent-Mincey/DLaw isn't bad at all

 

[locked&loaded]

Hogwash. The Texans also play in a 3-4 defense vs The Lions 4 man rush. Different styles, different players. If Watt were playing NT in a 4-3 in Detroit, he wouldn't have 20 sacks a season. I'd bet my home on it. Watt is a beast! Best DE in football. He's not a DT. Not that he couldn't be great at it, but as it is now, they play and have been playing different positions, different schemes the entire time they've been in the NFL and College (minus JJ's stint at TE).

I suppose they gave him 2nd team all pro honors at DT for his health then?

 

[Doomsay]

Spencer/Draft-Crawford/Suh-Suh/Brent-Mincey/DLaw isn't bad at all

it's a resource metaphor - he isn't worth it, for a variety of reasons.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

You do realize our Dline is light years away from the Seahawks.

But yet we had only 4 less sacks then Seattle

 

[Nirvana]

I would love to have Suh on this team but I think the Cowboys brain-trust is patting themselves on the back for how they handled free agency last year, and will look to make similar "bargain" maneuvers this year that do not carry serious cap risks for several years.

 

[Cebrin]

I suppose they gave him 2nd team all pro honors at DT for his health then?

1st team AP at DE with 45 votes, his other 5 votes went to 2nd team AP at DT. That's a nod of respect for his great body of work this year on a beaten up team. Suh was 1st team AP by a landslide at DT, because SUH is a DT. You are making a non sense argument. JJ spends 75%+ of the time pursuing the QB (which is his job) and DE's always get "The Glory". Just like RB's get the glory of what the OL allows them to do. DT's plug the lanes, take double teams and push the pocket to get to the QB. You're comparing apples and oranges. You can make the argument that JJ is a better player sure, but to say he's a galaxy ahead of Suh is comical, considering you're comparing the Sun to the Moon.

 

[Nightman]

I suppose they gave him 2nd team all pro honors at DT for his health then?

Actually a few voter didn't know what position he played and incorrectly voted him in as a DT instead of DE. He lined up at DE 989 times and DT 6 times last year. He played DT at a higher percentage in the past, but has always been primarily a DE.

 

[jrumann59]

heh I would rather get 2-3 mid high grade FA for that money on the defensive side. You need depth signing Suh is fine but we will have more JAGs in the rotation which is not good. I would go after Fairley and watch the buffalo situation with M. Williams.

 

[locked&loaded]

1st team AP at DE with 45 votes, his other 5 votes went to 2nd team AP at DT. That's a nod of respect for his great body of work this year on a beaten up team. Suh was 1st team AP by a landslide at DT, because SUH is a DT. You are making a non sense argument. JJ spends 75%+ of the time pursuing the QB (which is his job) and DE's always get "The Glory". Just like RB's get the glory of what the OL allows them to do. DT's plug the lanes, take double teams and push the pocket to get to the QB. You're comparing apples and oranges. You can make the argument that JJ is a better player sure, but to say he's a galaxy ahead of Suh is comical, considering you're comparing the Sun to the Moon.

JJ Watt doesn't face double teams? Also, you are acting like Suh plays In the 3-4 as a nose tackle. He isn't raji or wilfork. He too goes after the qb a high percentage of the time.

I get that D Ends are presented with more opportunities to sack the qb than DT...Everyone does. But anyone that has seen the two play, and has seen Watt move down to DT should realize he can play up to or better than SUh at his position.

In any case, this whole argument was predicated by the fact that SUh wants Watt money. THe ' best ' DT in the league by a landside (nod to Gerald McCoy and Sheldon Richardson) shouldn't be paid as much as the best D end in the league.

 

[burmafrd]

In this day and age DT is not worth what a DE makes of comparable ability. And Watt is in a league of his own. At least right now.

Suh is not worth what he wants.

 

[Vegas_Cowboy]

For what Suh is going to demand, Dallas could get 3 good free agents instead of 1 great one.

Good CB
Good FS
Good DE

Draft a DT and RT in the first two rounds and sign AP on the cheap, or draft a good RB in the 3rd round. Go with BPA after that.

I'd rather roll with that.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Money is the only case against. Below is what I hold against him. Wrecking that Chevelle SS. OK, I hold his choice in rims against him too.

Meh.. It was a 70 chevelle. Not the best year for chevelles. Last year of real Chevy power.. Then 71-74 was garbage.

 

[Cebrin]

JJ Watt doesn't face double teams? Also, you are acting like Suh plays In the 3-4 as a nose tackle. He isn't raji or wilfork. He too goes after the qb a high percentage of the time.

I get that D Ends are presented with more opportunities to sack the qb than DT...Everyone does. But anyone that has seen the two play, and has seen Watt move down to DT should realize he can play up to or better than SUh at his position.

In any case, this whole argument was predicated by the fact that SUh wants Watt money. THe ' best ' DT in the league by a landside (nod to Gerald McCoy and Sheldon Richardson) shouldn't be paid as much as the best D end in the league.

Suh plays in a 4-3 as 1 and 3 tech? I didn't say JJ doesn't face doubles. He serves and entirely different purpose on the front 4. He lined up at DE 989 times and DT 6 times last year. (Thank you @bkight13)No, I don't see the gaping difference in level of talent. In retrospect, it's harder to find Warren Sapps and Suhs than it is a go getter. IMO, they are of equal value to a football team. Especially come playoff time.

 

[mahoneybill]

I believe the philosophy they have claimed they are taking is to have a rotation of good pass rushers like the Seahawks. Not one big money guy that makes you skimp on the rest. So it would surprise me if they pay that kind of money. Although if they are going to pay that kind of money it would likely be for a dominant 3 tech like Suh. Had Melton had a dominant year that might have paid him that 9 million a year contract.

The Jimmy Johnson philosophy.... If we can get one reliable sack master ( Haley like ) , on third downs, then the rest can do the rotational time that make our 90s teams very dominant.

Somehow those lines made Brock Marion, James Washington better safeties

 

[xwalker]

so rumor is Suh is looking for jj watt money. I'm ok with that, the guy is a game changer. Now I'm not 100% ok with his antics of stomping people, but language to address that in the contract can be implemented.

If we sign Suh that gets Hayden out of there and drastically improves the interior. That leaves one hole on our line at LDE... Or does it. I believe mincey can handle that.

That brings us into the draft able
to draft BPA. Though that still leaves us with CB and FS holes. But in all reality we can't have it all. Suh will demand double teams constantly which will free up Crawford and Lawrence and hopefully create more pressure to mask some secondary weakness.

Watts' contract averages 16.7M per season and basically 50M is guaranteed.

 

[Bullflop]

In view of the front office's determination to refrain from returning to cap hell, I doubt the Cowboys pursue Suh. We're in dire need of far too many players to improve our team's roster. Let's not ruin our financial structure to get one player that is certain to command more of an investment than it would be reasonably prudent to allow.

 

[tyke1doe]

He can stomp on any Iggles player, and I'll like him.

Accidentally tackle Chippy with a helmet to the head and I'll love him.

Thanks for making me laugh.

 

[dwreck27]

For what Suh is going to demand, Dallas could get 3 good free agents instead of 1 great one.

Good CB
Good FS
Good DE

Draft a DT and RT in the first two rounds and sign AP on the cheap, or draft a good RB in the 3rd round. Go with BPA after that.

I'd rather roll with that.

Who are those 3 good players??

 

[dragon_mikal]

I watch Watt quite a bit and the dude is head and shoulders above Suh as a player. He's just a monster. Plain and simple.

If I hadn't seen him bleed with my own eyes I wouldn't believe he was human.

 

[Nightman]

For what Suh is going to demand, Dallas could get 3 good free agents instead of 1 great one.

Good CB
Good FS
Good DE

Draft a DT and RT in the first two rounds and sign AP on the cheap, or draft a good RB in the 3rd round. Go with BPA after that.

I'd rather roll with that.

We already have 'good' players. Does a 4-5m FA really improve on Scandrick, Clairboirne, Moore, Carr at CB????

Wilcox at FS or Mincey/Spencer at DE????

I would rather have a guaranteed ProBowl DT and keep my own good players than try to get lucky with 3 new guys