My Idea to Solve the Redzone

[Thetriplets22]

Dez is not open in that sequence and basically all of the other receivers would be better options on that play; although, none of them are as open as it might appear on a still photo.

The only real option is the receiver at the 23 yard line.

The bottom photo is after the ball is not coming to Dez and the DB is already pulling up.

That's wide open in the NFL, you put the ball in the end zone it's 6

 

[Thetriplets22]

It becomes terrible because they take out Zeke which I don't understand. Therefore its a dead giveaway to the other team in saying were not running the ball.

Agreed Zeke should always be on the field in the red zone

 

[zrinkill]

What Redzone problem?

The one made up by the people who want Romo in no matter what?

 

[xwalker]

no. Dez is open right when he hits the 20 as he beats the press, wins to the inside and throws his hand up. there is no safety there. Check my other post with the comparison to how romo handled that, He sees dez win with a safety in the middle of the field and throws it up.

That play is open in the nfl and for Dez Bryant it is how he made that big payday.

No, I just re-watched the play several times. The DB is looking back at the QB the entire time. A DB that is getting beat will not continue to look back at the QB. There is never any real separation by Dez on that play.

TWill was more open than Dez but Dak didn't have time due to the rush to throw over there.
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[xwalker]

That's wide open in the NFL, you put the ball in the end zone it's 6

Are you the guy that wanted to line up 3 RBs in the backfield?

 

[theebs]

No, I just re-watched the play several times. The DB is looking back at the QB the entire time. A DB that is getting beat will not continue to look back at the QB. There is never any real separation by Dez on that play.

TWill was more open than Dez but Dak didn't have time due to the rush to throw over there.
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He was wide open with nothing but end zone in front of him, this is how Dez became a superstar. There are about 20 times romo threw him the ball in this scenario and he made TD's or big plays.

 

[Thetriplets22]

Are you the guy that wanted to line up 3 RBs in the backfield?

If the ball is put in the endZone it's at worst a jump ball situation. Dez doesn't get much separation but he high points the ball better than most

 

[xwalker]

Stupid holding penalties are killing us. Free grabbed the guy's face mask when the play was already past him? Duh. T-Rex gets lazy at times, & doesn't move his feet. That's why he was forced to arm-bar Spence. By the way, Spence was my second favorite pick for the second round last April. (WAY ahead of JS) He sure would look great with a star on his helmet, eh? Has a chance to be DROY.

Yes, Spence would have been a good 2nd round pick.

He was not on the leaked Cowboy draft board. It reminds me of when they didn't pick Randy Moss because of the off-field problems that other players (Mainly Irvin) had during that time frame. It seems that the Randy Gregory and possible RoMc/Hardy ordeals made the Cowboys shy away from character issues players more than they normally would.

On a side note, Doug Free has good arm length and good feet. His problem is that he has no upper body strength especially when his hands/arms are extended away from his body. Because of this problem, he must keep his body in front of defenders to block them; whereas, somebody like Tyron can just reach out away from his body to block a defender. This one issue causes Free to be a spare. He has the size, arm length, feet and knowledge to be a really good players but his arm/shoulder weakness completely wrecks his ability to play like a good OT. Just imagine if an OT had to play with their elbows strapped to his side.

 

[KJJ]

Dak's job is not on the line and has not been since he came back to beat the eagles. once romo had that press conference it has been Dak's job and a non issue no matter what Jerry says to the fan.

I am just pointing out how Dez has been so dominant and that situation presented itself sunday and dak dumped it to zeke. I hope he lets it rip going forward to dez. It could be the difference between winning and losing.

Had he played poorly against Tampa and it resulted in a loss, the Cowboys would have had to make a big decision whether to bench him in favor of Romo. The wheels would have been coming off and we would have been in desperate need of a spark to keep from suffering a major collapse, so it was very important Dak played well. I said prior to the game he needs to get back to doing what he was doing when he was playing his best football and that's to take what the defense is giving him. Dez hasn't been dominate in two years and when he was it was with Romo at QB. It took time for Dez and Romo to get on the same page early in Dez's career and Dak is a different type of QB than Romo.

He's doesn't take as many chances and in the diagrams you posted we couldn't afford a turnover in that situation. We were in FG range and we had to be sure we came away with at least three points, forcing Tampa to have to score a TD to beat us. We couldn't risk a contested ball in that situation because if the ball wasn't thrown just right or comes up short, it could have led to a turnover. Dak doesn't need to let anything rip, he just needs to keep playing smart and taking what the defense gives him. The difference between winning and losing is protecting the football and not turning it over.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

As Chicken Little said.....what are we talking about

We could always score from the 21

Problem solved.

 

[theebs]

Had he played poorly against Tampa and it resulted in a loss, the Cowboys would have had to make a big decision whether to bench him in favor of Romo. The wheels would have been coming off and we would have been in desperate need of a spark to keep from suffering a major collapse, so it was very important Dak played well. I said prior to the game he needs to get back to doing what he was doing when he was playing his best football and that's to take what the defense is giving him. Dez hasn't been dominate in two years and when he was it was with Romo at QB. It took time for Dez and Romo to get on the same page early in Dez's career and Dak is a different type of QB than Romo.

He's doesn't take as many chances and in the diagrams you posted we couldn't afford a turnover in that situation. We were in FG range and we had to be sure we came away with at least three points, forcing Tampa to have to score a TD to beat us. We couldn't risk a contested ball in that situation because if the ball wasn't thrown just right or comes up short, it could have led to a turnover. Dak doesn't need to let anything rip, he just needs to keep playing smart and taking what the defense gives him. The difference between winning and losing is protecting the football and not turning it over.

well I am pretty sure the coaching staff disagrees with you and understands how good the giants defense is and how difficult the environment was. I don't think they have ever considered taking him out or changing him.

and yes playing safe is a good way to win and not turning it over is smart. The other part of that equation is that kicking field goals will get you beat instead of scoring touchdowns. I think there was no risk of a turnover there and have full faith that dak can make that throw.

He made the same throw in the preseason vs the rams to dez so no reason he can't do it now. I just want to see him let it go and get dez going.

 

[xwalker]

If the ball is put in the endZone it's at worst a jump ball situation. Dez doesn't get much separation but he high points the ball better than most

Yes, it might be a 50-50 jump ball, but it's not "open".

He was a good jump ball player in past years, but that ability seems to have faded. He'll do it occasionally but it's become way more likely that he won't come down with those anymore.

Dak's style (The style that has resulted in 12 wins and 2 losses) is to play it safe. That style is going to result in some possible missed opportunities but is also the reason for his low INT numbers.

Dak => Aikman (Low risk, avoid the INT, throw it quick or throw it away)
Romo => Farve (High risk, try to fit it in tight spots, throw it up for a jump ball)

A QB needs to stay with his own style, especially when that style has resulted in 12 wins and 2 losses.

 

[xwalker]

Had he played poorly against Tampa and it resulted in a loss, the Cowboys would have had to make a big decision whether to bench him in favor of Romo. The wheels would have been coming off and we would have been in desperate need of a spark to keep from suffering a major collapse, so it was very important Dak played well. I said prior to the game he needs to get back to doing what he was doing when he was playing his best football and that's to take what the defense is giving him. Dez hasn't been dominate in two years and when he was it was with Romo at QB. It took time for Dez and Romo to get on the same page early in Dez's career and Dak is a different type of QB than Romo.

He's doesn't take as many chances and in the diagrams you posted we couldn't afford a turnover in that situation. We were in FG range and we had to be sure we came away with at least three points, forcing Tampa to have to score a TD to beat us. We couldn't risk a contested ball in that situation because if the ball wasn't thrown just right or comes up short, it could have led to a turnover. Dak doesn't need to let anything rip, he just needs to keep playing smart and taking what the defense gives him. The difference between winning and losing is protecting the football and not turning it over.

Well said.

 

[KJJ]

well I am pretty sure the coaching staff disagrees with you and understands how good the giants defense is and how difficult the environment was. I don't think they have ever considered taking him out or changing him.

and yes playing safe is a good way to win and not turning it over is smart. The other part of that equation is that kicking field goals will get you beat instead of scoring touchdowns. I think there was no risk of a turnover there and have full faith that dak can make that throw.

He made the same throw in the preseason vs the rams to dez so no reason he can't do it now. I just want to see him let it go and get dez going.

The coaching staff has been agreeing with me all season concerning Dak. It wasn't just the game against the Giants, Dak's game had been tapering off prior to that. Sunday night was the first time he broke 200 yards passing the last 4 games. Our points had gone down, only scoring 22 the past couple of games which is what got everyone talking about bringing Romo back. Had Dak played "poorly" last Sunday and we lost, the team would have seriously considered going back to Romo. Back to back losses with Dak's game going in the toilet would have forced a desperate move to try and get a spark. Fortunately Dak came out and played smart and took what the defense gave him.

We were moving the chains and only the penalties were stopping us. I loved the way Dak handled the situation with good, smart throws that kept the chains moving. Making a risky throw in a meaningless preseason game is a lot different than making that same throw with the division title, #1 seed and possibly your starting job on the line. It would have been different earlier in the game to take a chance to the endzone but we had the lead with time running down and a FG would have put all the pressure on Tampa to have to score a TD. We had a beautiful TD throw by Dak wiped out due to a penalty.

What's going to get us beat are these damn penalties that are wiping out great plays and are putting us behind the chains. We have a rookie QB and have to play a certain type of game with him to be successful and it's worked to perfection. As he gains experience especially with Dez we'll go down the field more but we have to keep things manageable and conservative with Dak until he gains more experience. What helped kill us with Romo his first few seasons was his Dec/Jan turnovers. Too many chances by Romo led to turnovers. With the offense we have we're moving the ball, scoring points and it's limited Dak's mistakes.

 

[theebs]

The coaching staff has been agreeing with me all season concerning Dak. It wasn't just the game against the Giants, Dak's game had been tapering off prior to that. Sunday night was the first time he broke 200 yards passing the last 4 games. Our points had gone down, only scoring 22 the past couple of games which is what got everyone talking about bringing Romo back. Had Dak played "poorly" last Sunday and we lost, the team would have seriously considered going back to Romo. Back to back losses with Dak's game going in the toilet would have forced a desperate move to try and get a spark. Fortunately Dak came out and played smart and took what the defense gave him.

We were moving the chains and only the penalties were stopping us. I loved the way Dak handled the situation with good, smart throws that kept the chains moving. Making a risky throw in a meaningless preseason game is a lot different than making that same throw with the division title, #1 seed and possibly your starting job on the line. It would have been different earlier in the game to take a chance to the endzone but we had the lead with time running down and a FG would have put all the pressure on Tampa to have to score a TD. We had a beautiful TD throw by Dak wiped out due to a penalty.

What's going to get us beat are these damn penalties that are wiping out great plays and are putting us behind the chains. We have a rookie QB and have to play a certain type of game with him to be successful and it's worked to perfection. As he gains experience especially with Dez we'll go down the field more but we have to keep things manageable and conservative with Dak until he gains more experience. What helped kill us with Romo his first few seasons was his Dec/Jan turnovers. Too many chances by Romo led to turnovers. With the offense we have we're moving the ball, scoring points and it's limited Dak's mistakes.

Yes penalties are a problem and the biggest one at the moment. Romo threw 9 int's in 14 in the exact offense with the same running game.

Stop saying his style led to turnovers. We score 30 + points in 10 games with romo playing 15 of them. The cowboys offense was beyond dominant in december of 2014.

again, I disagree on what you are saying about Dak, He was in zero danger of being benched. He just had his best game against Baltimore. Minnesota and NY were difficult environments with terrific defenses. we went 1-1. The coaches were probably thrilled to split those road games.

Fans are the ones that could not understand what NY was doing in previous weeks not the coaching staff.

 

[xwalker]

If the ball is put in the endZone it's at worst a jump ball situation. Dez doesn't get much separation but he high points the ball better than most

A jump balls means that there is a chance of it being intercepted.

 

[Clove]

Our red zone is fine, we won, we're 12-2. Except it and move on.

 

[aikemirv]

Dak can make any throw in the NFL. Dez got too deep on that back shoulder in the EZ, & didn't come back to the ball.

In the game versus the Bucs? Dak threw the ball to the defender. Probably his only bad throw of the night.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Cut down on the penalties and we'll score more.

 

[aikemirv]

A jump balls means that there is a chance of it being intercepted.

I doubt you can find a play with a jump ball to Dez that was an interception unless the ball was just that short. I have never seen anyone outjump Dez for a ball.