My issue with Bosa at 4

[Rogerthat12]

I don't think Bosa is the next JJ Watt, like some proclaim. I think he's the next Jared Allen. Is that worth the 4th overall pick when we already have Hardy, Gregory, and Lawrence?

Yes because even with all those guys, the pass rush still is not fixed.

 

[texbumthelife]

If anyone is being grossly overrated, particularly around here, it is Miles Jack...

Lawrence was the team leader in sacks this season from the left side. Bosa is immediately better than Lawrence and allows Lawrence to go back to his more natural position on the right. It also means we can let Hardy go and apply those funds somewhere else, or keep him and potentially have the most ridiculous DL in the league.

Bosa is not overrated. He's just not flashy.

 

[BHendri5]

Let me start by saying, im assuming we bring Hardy back. If we don't, im much more open to it but still wouldn't be thrilled.

With that said, under the assumption we bring Hardy back, Bosa makes no sense to me. First, he is projected a LDE. Yes you want to take BPA, but only if it's a position of importance drafting that high. In our scheme, the LDE is to the RDE as the 1T is to the 3T. Im not drafting a run stopping guy whose gonna get a few sacks if my draft position is the 4th spot.

Some will argue and say Guard isn't a crucial spot and look how Martin turned out with the BPA method in mind. My response to that is it was a middle of the first round choice (16th i believe). If im in the top 5 im drafting two types of players: QB if he is the BPA and im in need, or a BPA player at what is considered a crucial position (RDE, 3T, CB, QB, LT).

If Bosa falls to us and no QB is left, I hope we trade back and grab Ramsey or Elliott

Yes sir, you know what you are talking about

 

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

If anyone is being grossly overrated, particularly around here, it is Miles Jack...

Lawrence was the team leader in sacks this season from the left side. Bosa is immediately better than Lawrence and allows Lawrence to go back to his more natural position on the right. It also means we can let Hardy go and apply those funds somewhere else, or keep him and potentially have the most ridiculous DL in the league.

Bosa is not overrated. He's just not flashy.

And that's why im not ok with him at
The 4th pick. If youre a defensive end and picked at 4, I want some flash

 

[cowboys1981]

All joking aside how would y'all feel about Aldon Smith on a one year deal similar to Hardy once he comes off suspension in November?

 

[Rogerthat12]

And that's why im not ok with him at
The 4th pick. If youre a defensive end and picked at 4, I want some flash

Problem is there is not a lot of "flashy" at the top end of this draft class.

 

[tm1119]

This idea that we don't have room for another de is laughable by the way. There's no such thing, and even if there were our roster is far from that

 

[Wood]

If anyone is being grossly overrated, particularly around here, it is Miles Jack...

Lawrence was the team leader in sacks this season from the left side. Bosa is immediately better than Lawrence and allows Lawrence to go back to his more natural position on the right. It also means we can let Hardy go and apply those funds somewhere else, or keep him and potentially have the most ridiculous DL in the league.

Bosa is not overrated. He's just not flashy.

Marinelli in his interview says Lawrence natural position is LDE. Bryan Broaddus tweeted me that Garrett told him they would be ok moving him to RDE if needed. Bosa pass rushing is not impressive on film but you can see incredible strength. If he gains anymore weight he might play himself to DT. For me to take someone at #4 he has to have 'jump off the screen' burst & athleticism. Go watch film on Ramsey...that talent jumps off screen at you.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Marinelli in his interview says Lawrence natural position is LDE. Bryan Broaddus tweeted me that Garrett told him they would be ok moving him to RDE if needed. Bosa pass rushing is not impressive on film but you can see incredible strength. If he gains anymore weight he might play himself to DT. For me to take someone at #4 he has to have 'jump off the screen' burst & athleticism. Go watch film on Ramsey...that talent jumps off screen at you.

Do you think Dallas would select another CB/S prospect in the top 6 again?

What position would he play in Dallas in your view?

If Dallas drafted him at #4, Risen would be on suicide watch!

 

[Staubacher]

There is downside to just about every high pick except Tunsil. He wont be there and they wouldnt pick him.

If he is they should!

 

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

Problem is there is not a lot of "flashy" at the top end of this draft class.

Agree. Im all for a trade down then steal Ramsey or Elliot

 

[Wood]

Do you think Dallas would select another CB/S prospect in the top 6 again?

What position would he play in Dallas in your view?

If Dallas drafted him at #4, Risen would be on suicide watch!

Ramsey is rare athlete. In college he played CB and hybrid S/LB. His size is ideal at 6'2" 205 but is also track star. I think he is much better prospect than Claiborne was coming out of LSU. He has some Sean Taylor in him: ultra athlete, very confident/cocky who look to not only play well but dominate opposition.

 

[jazzcat22]

If Bosa falls to #4 I sprint to the podium with the card and laugh while doing so, unless the cowboys FO grades Goff/Lynch as potential franchise quarterbacks.

Can you do a few back flips too, just to showboat a little...well, OK a lot...I think you may get a standing O on it....I will be for sure....

 

[jazzcat22]

I can't help but believe that Bosa will be the biggest reach coming into the NFL draft this year and will sucker some GM into taking him inthe first round..

I just hope like hell Will McClay goes in a different direction if he's onthe board when Dallas is at the podium

So when Bosa knocks Romo out of a game next year playing for an NFCE team, and Jerry tried to be cute by not drafting a QB, so we have no back up QB again, will he still be a reach?

 

[cowboys1981]

Ramsey is rare athlete. In college he played CB and hybrid S/LB. His size is ideal at 6'2" 205 but is also track star. I think he is much better prospect than Claiborne was coming out of LSU. He has some Sean Taylor in him: ultra athlete, very confident/cocky who look to not only play well but dominate opposition.

I wouldn't mind him lined up next to Jones. Ramsey is built and plays with the tenacity to line up as a SS with the ball hawking skills you'd look for in a FS. This gives us 2 very good safeties in place of Church and Wilcox who can't cover and Wilcox is beginning to decline with taking more bad angles in coverage and in the open field to tackle.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Ramsey is rare athlete. In college he played CB and hybrid S/LB. His size is ideal at 6'2" 205 but is also track star. I think he is much better prospect than Claiborne was coming out of LSU. He has some Sean Taylor in him: ultra athlete, very confident/cocky who look to not only play well but dominate opposition.

He looks like a player, I have watched him quite a bit, I just wonder if the Cowboys will actually travel back down that road with a top 5 draft choice considering the Mo snafu.

 

[cowboyz]

I think they didn't do their research on Mo they didn't bring him in for interviews nor work him out. It was just a surprise he was available.


Plus mo is a man corner and doesn't fit marinellis scheme very well

I have confidence in their draft evaluation in the 1st rnd. When they follow their process

Especially lbs. Seems every lb they've thought about has been very good.

But also dt. Like Donald brockers and cox

Even eifert
And of course ol

So if they pick boss or tunsil I'm pretty confident but I don't think either will be available
Qb doesn't bode well although Moore gives me hope.

 

[Kaiser]

For me to take someone at #4 he has to have 'jump off the screen' burst & athleticism. Go watch film on Ramsey...that talent jumps off screen at you.

That's where I'm at. At the fourth pick I either want an impact player or a trade down. I still believe taking Greg Ellis was the right move over Randy Moss because the press would have destroyed Moss before he ever established himself had he gone to Dallas right after the scandals they had. But its a complete failure if we get a guy like Greg Ellis at the 4th pick of the draft.

 

[texbumthelife]

Marinelli in his interview says Lawrence natural position is LDE. Bryan Broaddus tweeted me that Garrett told him they would be ok moving him to RDE if needed. Bosa pass rushing is not impressive on film but you can see incredible strength. If he gains anymore weight he might play himself to DT. For me to take someone at #4 he has to have 'jump off the screen' burst & athleticism. Go watch film on Ramsey...that talent jumps off screen at you.

I have watched plenty of Jalen Ramsey and discussed him thoroughly. The only thing that jumps out is he is a flashier, more in your face and celebratory kind of guy, like most FSU kids. He was a much better safety than corner. I don't think he has any future as a corner in the NFL. He has a sluggish turn and awful technique, relying on pure athleticism. As a safety, he is an intriguing prospect, but I don't think he is a better prospect than Bosa, or even the best DB prospect, that's Hargreaves. Ramsey may be more of a need for this team, but at 4 he wont be BPA.

If you don't think Joey Bosa has incredible athleticism, at the DE position, you're the one who needs a little more film study. He has incredible strength, that's a given, he also has some of the best hand and footwork of any defensive lineman I have seen come out in a decade. He has been virtually unblockable almost his entire career in one on one situations.

That's where I'm at. At the fourth pick I either want an impact player or a trade down. I still believe taking Greg Ellis was the right move over Randy Moss because the press would have destroyed Moss before he ever established himself had he gone to Dallas right after the scandals they had. But its a complete failure if we get a guy like Greg Ellis at the 4th pick of the draft.

Seriously? Comparing Joey Bosa to Greg Ellis? I shouldn't even be responding to such ridiculousness. Bosa has more athleticism and ability in one hand than Greg Ellis had in his entire body in his prime. The guy has the production, he pops on film, he has the instincts, the intangibles and the technique. He is not a flash around the corner kind of guy, like Gregory, but those aren't the only guys who excel as pass rushers and Bosa has immense versatility as well. He's not scheme dependent or specific. He can play inside and out in a four man line, and be a down lineman in a three man line. Let me be clear, I don't think he is a once in a generation pass rusher, but I don't think there is a once in a generation guy in this entire draft.

What's funny is, I don't like comparing Bosa to Watt, but just about every complaint I have read about Bosa on here, were the same knocks Watt had coming out. Im just saying, the production is there and the guy's tape doesn't lie. He spends as much time in the backfield as the quarterback.

All of this said, I wouldn't burn the barn if the team took Ramsey, he just wouldn't be my choice is all.

 

[AmericanCowboy]

To add Bosa to this D Line would be ridiculous- in a good way! With Hardy back we would have a top three defensive line