My issue with Bosa at 4

[Macnalty]

I have watched plenty of Jalen Ramsey and discussed him thoroughly. The only thing that jumps out is he is a flashier, more in your face and celebratory kind of guy, like most FSU kids. He was a much better safety than corner. I don't think he has any future as a corner in the NFL. He has a sluggish turn and awful technique, relying on pure athleticism. As a safety, he is an intriguing prospect, but I don't think he is a better prospect than Bosa, or even the best DB prospect, that's Hargreaves. Ramsey may be more of a need for this team, but at 4 he wont be BPA.

If you don't think Joey Bosa has incredible athleticism, at the DE position, you're the one who needs a little more film study. He has incredible strength, that's a given, he also has some of the best hand and footwork of any defensive lineman I have seen come out in a decade. He has been virtually unblockable almost his entire career in one on one situations.



Seriously? Comparing Joey Bosa to Greg Ellis? I shouldn't even be responding to such ridiculousness. Bosa has more athleticism and ability in one hand than Greg Ellis had in his entire body in his prime. The guy has the production, he pops on film, he has the instincts, the intangibles and the technique. He is not a flash around the corner kind of guy, like Gregory, but those aren't the only guys who excel as pass rushers and Bosa has immense versatility as well. He's not scheme dependent or specific. He can play inside and out in a four man line, and be a down lineman in a three man line. Let me be clear, I don't think he is a once in a generation pass rusher, but I don't think there is a once in a generation guy in this entire draft.

What's funny is, I don't like comparing Bosa to Watt, but just about every complaint I have read about Bosa on here, were the same knocks Watt had coming out. Im just saying, the production is there and the guy's tape doesn't lie. He spends as much time in the backfield as the quarterback.

All of this said, I wouldn't burn the barn if the team took Ramsey, he just wouldn't be my choice is all.

I have to agree with the comparison of Bosa to Greg Ellis, Ellis was a very good player and made the team significantly better although his legacy seems shaded because of his candidness with Jerry Jones and Valley Ranch.
Coming away with a Ellis like player would be a win.

 

[Alexander]

The Bosa pick really rests on what we do with Hardy and if we think Gregory is capable of being more than a specialist. If neither are the case, then you can flip Lawrence and plug in Bosa on the left side. That is basically where he will have to function from.

 

[JohnsKey19]

The Bosa pick really rests on what we do with Hardy and if we think Gregory is capable of being more than a specialist. If neither are the case, then you can flip Lawrence and plug in Bosa on the left side. That is basically where he will have to function from.

If Hardy re-signs, then Dallas would probably try to find every reason NOT to take Bosa at #4 assuming he's there. Not saying i agree with that line of thinking but i believe that would be the case.

There's a good chance Bosa will be there. Tunsil and one of the QBs(Goff?) are locks IMO to be off the board before #4. The rest of the top 5 will depend on who rises/drops, team needs, etc.....

 

[CATCH17]

I tend to agree. If you look at his film you see powerful player who can seal edge but I don't see burst or pass rushing moves to consistently get to QB. IF I am using top 4 pick he has to be game altering talent (guys like: Ramsey, Goff, Treadwell, Jack).

Bosa video:

In this video Indiana is getting rid of the ball quick so it's hard for a D end to get a sack.


Teams do that to us and it's a reason we don't get a lot of sacks.

Also, we don't do it a lot ourselves but you see the effects it can have on a defense.

 

[texbumthelife]

I have to agree with the comparison of Bosa to Greg Ellis, Ellis was a very good player and made the team significantly better although his legacy seems shaded because of his candidness with Jerry Jones and Valley Ranch.
Coming away with a Ellis like player would be a win.

Greg Ellis wasn't near as productive and disruptive as Bosa is.

 

[Plankton]

I remember Bosa's dad. He was a #1 pick DT by the Dolphins out of Ohio State.

He was a massive bust and was out of the league in 3 years... didn't even make it through his rookie contract.

I'm not saying son = dad, however, it's a worry.

Agree 100%, but his dad went to Boston College. His uncle, Eric Kumerow, went to Ohio State, and was an equally big stiff.

I said it in an earlier post - Bosa as a pick scares the hell out of me. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he got popped for PED usage.

 

[Macnalty]

Greg Ellis wasn't near as productive and disruptive as Bosa is.

Greg Ellis was a great player here, he was a bit of a media whiney thing but he played well and the defense messed with his position if you remember those days, he still went to the pro bowl and deserved it several other times.

I do not see Bosa as a Justin Smith, he is a good player.

 

[Kaiser]

What's funny is, I don't like comparing Bosa to Watt, but just about every complaint I have read about Bosa on here, were the same knocks Watt had coming out. Im just saying, the production is there and the guy's tape doesn't lie. He spends as much time in the backfield as the quarterback.

So you don't like comparing Bosa to JJ Watt, except for when you are comparing Bosa to JJ Watt. Got it.

Greg Ellis was a very good player. He played 11 years, went to two Pro Bowls and had eight seasons with 7 sacks or more. Is Bosa closer to that or closer to JJ Watt? I don't know and neither do you. But the point is that if we come out of the fourth pick of the draft with a player closer to Greg Ellis, its a big failure.

Look at the draft with JJ Watt where we took Tyron Smith. The 4th pick was AJ Green, the 5th was Patrick Peterson, the 6th was Julio Jones. The 9th and 11th were Tyron Smith and JJ Watt. THOSE are the kind of players we need to come out the 4th pick with, unless we trade down.

 

[Kaiser]

Greg Ellis was a great player here, he was a bit of a media whiney thing but he played well and the defense messed with his position if you remember those days, he still went to the pro bowl and deserved it several other times.

I do not see Bosa as a Justin Smith, he is a good player.

I wouldn't say he was great, but he was very good for a very long time. I still think he was right pick over Randy Moss because Dallas was such a circus that year that reporters would have dug through Moss' garbage and hounded him until he imploded.

My point on Ellis is that we need a player better than that at the fourth pick, or we need to trade down. I don't see Bosa at that level, but I've been wrong plenty of times before.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

I think greg Ellis was a really good player . But !!! Taking a greg ellis type @4 is a bit high IMO. I'd rather go for rare talent ... Lots of pressure on Cowboys we need 2 studs with our first 2 picks.

 

[Macnalty]

I wouldn't say he was great, but he was very good for a very long time. I still think he was right pick over Randy Moss because Dallas was such a circus that year that reporters would have dug through Moss' garbage and hounded him until he imploded.

My point on Ellis is that we need a player better than that at the fourth pick, or we need to trade down. I don't see Bosa at that level, but I've been wrong plenty of times before.

You were so right about the media circus that year,I agree but taking a rare talent with the fourth pick might have us with another LT. Both Stanley and Tunsil might be BPA in this draft class. We have miles to go before we sleep.

 

[tm1119]

The Greg Ellis comparison is horrendous and needs to stop

 

[Kaiser]

You were so right about the media circus that year,I agree but taking a rare talent with the fourth pick might have us with another LT. Both Stanley and Tunsil might be BPA in this draft class. We have miles to go before we sleep.

I'm hoping we trade down and then get a run on a certain position like you see in a lot of years. If we trade down from 4 to 10, QBs are typically overdrafted and the top two this look like they will (especially by Cleveland). If you had a run on OTs with a couple of more picks (which happens fairly often), Dallas could easily end up in a position where a player they had #4 on their board was available at that pick at #10.

 

[Macnalty]

I'm hoping we trade down and then get a run on a certain position like you see in a lot of years. If we trade down from 4 to 10, QBs are typically overdrafted and the top two this look like they will (especially by Cleveland). If you had a run on OTs with a couple of more picks (which happens fairly often), Dallas could easily end up in a position where a player they had #4 on their board was available at that pick at #10.

Nice point this draft will probably lose 7 OTackles in rd 1. Stanley and Tunsil will be the first two gone IMO.

 

[Macnalty]

The Greg Ellis comparison is horrendous and needs to stop

Closer to Greg Ellis than Justin Smith.

 

[KB1122]

People think quarterbacks have high first-round bust rates. Look at linemen sometime. They're the highest.

 

[tm1119]

Closer to Greg Ellis than Justin Smith.

Feel like throwing out any more random comparisons? Bosa isn't even the same type of player as Smith was so not sure where that's coming from either.

 

[Gaede]

Definitely not a fan of Bosa at the moment. Seems like a 'name' that's been tossed around a lot during the season as a top pick, only to be weeded out and ranked lower after further investigation.

 

[Macnalty]

Feel like throwing out any more random comparisons? Bosa isn't even the same type of player as Smith was so not sure where that's coming from either.

It was not my comparison someone else made the connection, I am sticking with Ellis and that is not a knock on Bosa. I am by no means stuck in the dirt on Bosa nice player but not generational and questionably elite. After feeling comfortable with this draft class, go an take a look at the sophomore class for next year, some elite talent coming up 2017 even at QB. Hopefully if we do not see a worthy choice at 4, we pause and debate about trading for a future pick.

 

[tm1119]

It was not my comparison someone else made the connection, I am sticking with Ellis and that is not a knock on Bosa. I am by no means stuck in the dirt on Bosa nice player but not generational and questionably elite. After feeling comfortable with this draft class, go an take a look at the sophomore class for next year, some elite talent coming up 2017 even at QB. Hopefully if we do not see a worthy choice at 4, we pause and debate about trading for a future pick.

Next year's draft class is always better. Every year.

You're severely underrating Bosa as an athlete and pass rusher if you are comparing him to Greg Ellis. Here's who actual nfl executives are comparing Bosa to. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ats-best-nfl-comp-for-ohio-state-de-joey-bosa ...just a little different than your Ellis and Justin Smith (this still makes me chuckle) comparisons.