My Meaningless Thoughts On The Game...

[jobberone]

The reason why we don't get as many picks as other teams has more to do with the presure we dial up combined with the fact we play a zone coverage to prevent first down conversions.

This causes QB's to throw on the first or second read because they are usually looking for the weakness in the zone and counting on their receivers to be at a specific yardage and spot on time. We rarely allow QB's to settle in the pocket and let the play develop further downfield, and this is where INT's occur on most occasions- tipped balls and safety breaks on the football.

To put it simply, the Dallas Cowboys defense doesn't allow QB's time to make bad decisions... it's either a completion for decent yardage if the playcall was correct or incomplete.

This helps explain our very good 3rd down conversion rate on D. It's batted down, a wormburner, or it's going OB if we get good pressure but don't get the sack.

Don't know if that's true but it sounds good and was seems well thought out.

I think you need to add in my pets. Don't look for the ball but let it slip thru your hands if you do look.

Not looking for the ball chaps my ***.

 

[jobberone]

I always enjoy your posts YR. Always. I share your concern about his season ending performances but I have faith in him. No need to trade him. Enjoy him.

Keep up the good work. A mole on the face of a beautiful woman merely provides distinctiveness and does not distract from her beauty.

 

[Aikmaniac]

Careful Yakuza...it's really starting to sound like you want this team to fail in December so you can beat your chest about Tony Romo. I really hope that's not the case.

 

[hmcorp]

Yakuza is clueless. Jerry is keeping romo till he retires at the age of 36. thats 7 years from now.

7 more seasons of romo. no doubt. and he will be good at 36 too.

 

[Foolhardy]

He's basically ruined his reputation on his Romo opinions, so it's hard to take him seriously anymore.

Unfortunate, really.

So because he doesnt think Romo is that great his reputation is bad?

 

[21Savage]

So because he doesnt think Romo is that great his reputation is bad?

No, it means his idea of trading Romo now or getting rid of him if he doesn't have a good December- with no contingency plan- is so off the wall that it's hard to gauge the logic for anything else he says.

It's like finding out your smartest and most philosophical mentor is a bigot. Hard to take anything else he says seriously.

 

[SultanOfSix]

The whole team has played bad in December, not just Romo. So, I have a hard time believing it is a Romo problem.

However, just because I don't agree with the latter doesn't make other opinions I hold unworthy. People can have a blatant bias considering certain opinions, and you can at least ignore them as a result, especially when they admit to them. It's only when they don't do the latter, that you should be a wary and consider other opinions they hold to be affected by what you may see as the same lack of judgment.

 

[hmcorp]

The whole team has played bad in December, not just Romo. So, I have a hard time believing it is a Romo problem.

However, just because I don't agree with the latter doesn't make other opinions I hold unworthy. People can have a blatant bias considering certain opinions, and you can at least ignore them as a result, especially when they admit to them. It's only when they don't do the latter, that you should be a wary and consider other opinions they hold to be affected by what you may see as the same lack of judgment.

Its just not facing reality. romo is here to stay.

no doubt about it.

 

[jterrell]

various takes on YR's takes.

--Romo had a very good game. Any time the QB rating is over 100 and you have 3 TDs with 1 total turnover that's very good. Not even going to debate that. Outside the obvious discomfort throwing to RW11, Romo is playing very well. He wasn't laser sharp but the "high" pass occurred like twice all day, not regularly. Outside the passes to the end zone (Austin, RW11) he never even threw into coverage. Guys were wide open or he moved on. If a receiver stops running his route like Marty B did on one occasion it can look like an overthrown ball. He did hold the ball too long on the fumble but he had been getting great protection all day.

--Butler is a big, athletic guy. He should get some pass rush burn for sure. Well past time to work him in some in perhaps the nickel as a DE pass rusher.

--Run complaints make little sense to me. I see them all over so I know a lot of folks feel this way but it is hard to follow logically. when teams stack the box and you still run 45% of the time with good but not great results and punish teams through the air what exactly is the problem??? Do we really need to run a BP style offense and be content winning 23-17 against bad teams because we force the run all day??

--Sensabaugh was out and now has a cast on. I'd ignore safety pick stats til he is at least wearing gloves. He has had two picks fall through his hands the past 2 weeks. I am fairly certain bringing up stats before he arrived make them somewhat pointless as we all know he is the only coverage safety we have who actually plays.

--Banging on Romo is at best divisive and at worst just silly. He isn't going anywhere, can't be traded because of cap concerns not to mention that we have zero QBs behind him to lead us going forward. In the end if you criticize him when he's down you are going ot have flower praise when he's good. This is 3 weeks in a row minus a pick and that's the best stretch of his career. That signals he is playing differently even by his 'pre-December' standards. But just to be clear Dallas was awful in December before we started Romo. It's an alarming trend to be sure but one that effects more than one coach and more than one QB. The are just the usual scape goats.

 

[jterrell]

So because he doesnt think Romo is that great his reputation is bad?

anytime one's take is wayyy off in one area you will question there judgment in other areas of the same broad topic.

i am not saying this as firmly as theo but the fact is, poster's reputations are tied to their opinions and having off the wall ones they heartily back does reduce the influence of their more accurate ones.

having had stupid opinions myself I understand quite well how this works on both fronts. ultimately, it is just about balance and not overstating. once you overcommit, you are ripe for ridicule. been there, done that.

 

[theogt]

So because he doesnt think Romo is that great his reputation is bad?

I'm not surprised someone would read the exchange this way, but it's an incorrect reading nonetheless.

Without getting into a debate about defining the word "great", there's a significant difference between thinking someone is "great" at their position and wanting to trade them because you think it's extremely unlikely we'll ever go deep in the playoffs BECAUSE that person is on the team.

In other words, he thinks we'll not likely ever succeed due to Romo being on the team. That's just patently absurd.

 

[jterrell]

I agree with Yakuza and he always gives good data and well thought, or fact based posts.

The problem with Romo this year is the same as others, he plays well before December. If that happens again, who will still want Romo come next year? Will you root for a guy who plays his best before December? A few wins and you are ready to ride the guy to the SB he hasnt gotten to yet?

And Theo, this is the same thing as in the PC zone. If someone doesnt agree wtih you, you shut them down, no conversation, no debate, just agree with me or you are stupid". It gets old real fast.

honestly SS, there is no nice way to say this... but alas, the logical response to your post is to do exactly what you claim theo does and tell you to just **** until december then.... what exactly is the point of any discussion until december if nothing counts until december....

i'll deride anyone who wants to bash any cowboy player, even barbie, for all they do even slightly in error while refusing to ever give credit to what they do right.

i tend to believe, as troy aikman has stated, that this team needs romo to play at a very high level to win, if he plays only average football we get beat silly. so he draws insane hate from even our own fan base. it's about the design of the team, the schemes and the players we have drafted to go around TR.

but i am sick to death of hearing abut december.... is that a troubling trend? absolutely. but there is nothing anyone can do about it until december. other than trying to insure nicked guys get rest they need t be healthy there is little this team can do now other than win the games they play NOW, not focus on december.

once this team wins a game in december with TR playing poorly then talk to me about him holding us back. until then he isn't doing anything but playing as his teammates play and does not deserve singling out.

 

[Foolhardy]

I'm not surprised someone would read the exchange this way, but it's an incorrect reading nonetheless.

Without getting into a debate about defining the word "great", there's a significant difference between thinking someone is "great" at their position and wanting to trade them because you think it's extremely unlikely we'll ever go deep in the playoffs BECAUSE that person is on the team.

In other words, he thinks we'll not likely ever succeed due to Romo being on the team. That's just patently absurd.

I agree with that. I think the problems with the Cowboys have little to do with Romo, even though I think he is overrated. I blame the defense more

 

[jterrell]

I agree with that. I think the problems with the Cowboys have little to do with Romo, even though I think he is overrated. I blame the defense more

when I see this I can only ask Overrated by whom???

He gets listed between 6-20 by various outlets.
Other than by a loyal fan base he seldom craps a single top 5 list.

His QB rating, which is generally the QB stat most widely used, has him rated about 5th best ever, yet he almost never even gets discussed there for even a single season by the media at large.

Right now he is 9th in QB rating and I'd say that is fair but it will also be fair if he rated 5th or 6th after a couple more strong games.

 

[theogt]

when I see this I can only ask Overrated by whom???

He gets listed between 6-20 by various outlets.
Other than by a loyal fan base he seldom craps a single top 5 list.

His QB rating, which is generally the QB stat most widely used, has him rated about 5th best ever, yet he almost never even gets discussed there for even a single season by the media at large.

Right now he is 9th in QB rating and I'd say that is fair but it will also be fair if he rated 5th or 6th after a couple more strong games.

Third best ever.

 

[WoodysGirl]

honestly SS, there is no nice way to say this... but alas, the logical response to your post is to do exactly what you claim theo does and tell you to just **** until december then.... what exactly is the point of any discussion until december if nothing counts until december....

i'll deride anyone who wants to bash any cowboy player, even barbie, for all they do even slightly in error while refusing to ever give credit to what they do right.

i tend to believe, as troy aikman has stated, that this team needs romo to play at a very high level to win, if he plays only average football we get beat silly. so he draws insane hate from even our own fan base. it's about the design of the team, the schemes and the players we have drafted to go around TR.

but i am sick to death of hearing abut december.... is that a troubling trend? absolutely. but there is nothing anyone can do about it until december. other than trying to insure nicked guys get rest they need t be healthy there is little this team can do now other than win the games they play NOW, not focus on december.

once this team wins a game in december with TR playing poorly then talk to me about him holding us back. until then he isn't doing anything but playing as his teammates play and does not deserve singling out.

JT...

 

[zrinkill]

honestly SS, there is no nice way to say this... but alas, the logical response to your post is to do exactly what you claim theo does and tell you to just **** until december then.... what exactly is the point of any discussion until december if nothing counts until december....

i'll deride anyone who wants to bash any cowboy player, even barbie, for all they do even slightly in error while refusing to ever give credit to what they do right.

i tend to believe, as troy aikman has stated, that this team needs romo to play at a very high level to win, if he plays only average football we get beat silly. so he draws insane hate from even our own fan base. it's about the design of the team, the schemes and the players we have drafted to go around TR.

but i am sick to death of hearing abut december.... is that a troubling trend? absolutely. but there is nothing anyone can do about it until december. other than trying to insure nicked guys get rest they need t be healthy there is little this team can do now other than win the games they play NOW, not focus on december.

once this team wins a game in december with TR playing poorly then talk to me about him holding us back. until then he isn't doing anything but playing as his teammates play and does not deserve singling out.

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[Yakuza Rich]

A few things.

- Trading Romo could be part of the contingency plan. Whether it be getting another QB from another team and/or trading up to get high pick and drafting a QB. Plus, I never said that he had to be traded, we could keep him around, draft a QB in the first round and put that QB in place to replace Romo in a year or two. Didn't work out too bad for the Chargers with Rivers and Brees.

- I do believe we could release or trade Romo and work it around the cap, particularly since we have an uncapped 2010 season.

- Romo recently was ranked the #2 most overrated player in the league by his peers. Perhaps there's plain 'hating' on Romo because he's the QB of the Cowboys and perhaps some of the voters didn't necessarily mean it negatively when they thought he was overrated, but I do interpret that as a negative opinion on his ability and do value what the rest of the league thinks. Do I take what they think to the bank? No. But it's a convincing opinion.

- It's not necessarily about the Cowboys winning in December and beyond when it comes to Romo. It's about him playing well in December and beyond. While I wouldn't fault him if he was playing fantastic and the defense lost the game for us. I can't credit him if the team wins a game in spite of a poor performance from him either. Although I doubt the latter happens in December and beyond anyway. If your QB doesn't play well in December and beyond, you almost likely lose.

- Lastly, there's absolutely no way in the world I would ever root for my Cowboys to lose. This is an important point. I don't even root for them to lose if they had a 3-12 record and were trying to get a better draft pick. I have missed TWO games since 2000. I have ZERO to gain if Romo plays poorly and the Cowboys lose. I have no problem admitting if I was wrong. I've done it plenty of times and will continue to do so throughout my life and fandom of this team. I cannot say that for some other posters on this very board who seem to bash everything they can about Jerry and no matter who the coach is come rain or shine, win or lose.

The difference is that Jerry is a permanent component of the Cowboys whereas Romo is not. Players come and go in this game. Jerry isn't going anywhere, Romo could possibly be traded or released if Jerry wished. So if Jerry is so bad and such a horrible owner and GM, it makes little sense to fill his wallet and watch his game because he'll never get the hint unless his wallet is lighter and his TV ratings are lower.

And the crazy thing is that I actually like Romo as a person and certainly want him to succeed. But, my stance is that unless he proves me otherwise he's pretty much proven to me that he can't get it done come December and more importantly in the postseason and Dallas should look to find a suitable replacement for him.

Hope I'm wrong, don't think I am at this point in time.







YAKUZA

 

[Danny White]

- Romo recently was ranked the #2 most overrated player in the league by his peers. Perhaps there's plain 'hating' on Romo because he's the QB of the Cowboys and perhaps some of the voters didn't necessarily mean it negatively when they thought he was overrated, but I do interpret that as a negative opinion on his ability and do value what the rest of the league thinks. Do I take what they think to the bank? No. But it's a convincing opinion.

Favre finished 1st.

 

[Vintage]

Favre finished 1st.

You win.