My Take on Bosa & #4 Pick

[Alexander]

What about it? They completely avoided running to his side and he got multiple pressures.

I would run at their right side versus their strong side too. Bosa and Darron Lee were a strength.

 

[Alexander]

We're specifically talking about the attention he got in college here.

Nobody's suggesting the Patriots are going to be regularly triple teaming him when he gets to the NFL.

The attention he got in college is mostly irrelevant in terms of projecting his success in the NFL, but yet you still see people acting like it matters.

Again, he is a very good player, will probably have a nice solid career. But I see people projecting hope on him like he will be the difference maker that this line sorely needs.

 

[Idgit]

The attention he got in college is mostly irrelevant in terms of projecting his success in the NFL, but yet you still see people acting like it matters.

Again, he is a very good player, will probably have a nice solid career. But I see people projecting hope on him like he will be the difference maker that this line sorely needs.

Go back and read the thread.

 

[thunderpimp91]

The attention he got in college is mostly irrelevant in terms of projecting his success in the NFL, but yet you still see people acting like it matters.

Again, he is a very good player, will probably have a nice solid career. But I see people projecting hope on him like he will be the difference maker that this line sorely needs.

I think the double/triple team argument is mostly in response to the people who want to dismiss Bosa because of a lack of numbers, which also can be irrelevant in terms of projecting NFL success.

 

[Swagnutboyz]

They may be better pass rushers than Bosa, but consensus not better overall.

 

[Idgit]

When did Bosa demand double teams? He was man on man the majority of the yr. And still didnt produce

@Alexander, here's the post that started the responses re how he was blocked in college. It wasn't that anybody expects triple teams in the pros.

 

[gimmesix]

I just have to get this off my chest.

I think the best of long-time Cowboy Greg Ellis. In 11 years with the Cowboys, he only missed 12 games - amassing 77 sacks, 4 interceptions (one returned 87 yards for a TD), and made the Pro Bowl in 2007. This nice, professional man had a solid career and represented the Cowboys honorably (IMO).

There is a problem though. Not only was he the 8th overall pick in 1998, but he will also have the stigma forever that he was the guy Dallas drafted instead of Randy Moss.

If the Cowboys are to use the #4 pick, it cannot be used on a solid player who in ten years might eek out a Pro Bowl. Either you get somebody that tips the scales every game, or trade that pick down to acquire extra picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

I get irritated when I see so many mock drafts having Dallas taking Joey Bosa. That is because when I see Bosa, I see an over-glorified Greg Ellis. Dallas cannot blow this pick.

Hmm ... I see an underdrafted JJ Watt. All of the teams in front of Dallas are going to wish they had taken him.

OK, I don't actually see JJ Watt, but I think the Ellis comparisons are equally as unfounded. This is a player who might be good but could be great. The one thing I don't see him being is bad.

I don't understand all the handwringing about this player.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Here's the problem OP, if you can guarantee Greg Ellis with #4 he's as solid a pick as they come, a safe selection that contributes for a Decade.

Therefore, though Bosa is not my personal 'pet cat' by any means, he's a nice pick if your argument is true.

 

[Rogerthat12]

The double and triple teams moments are exaggerated. Watch him against Michigan State and that is not the case. General point being, that will not happen in the NFL and the fact that bad teams double and triple teamed him is not all that important in terms of evaluating him.

The fact that he was blocked mostly in one on one situations in this game does support your case in my view.

He was only doubled in this game when he went inside and was mostly in one on one situations in this particular game with mixed results.

If one is being honest, he had some pressures in the pocket but ultimately was not of great impact in terms of pass rush.

He looks slow to me and those two off side penalties in the first five minutes were interesting.

He looked good in run support, kept plugging away with motor but you could clearly see his lack of explosiveness and speed off the edge and it is not even close.

Brugler views him as disruptive but not a big sack guy, this would be Bosa at his best and at his worst you get a good motor guy that can generate some pressure but is not an elite pass rusher off the edge.

I think people @4 want a player that comes screaming off the edge at RDE and Bosa is not that guy, he is a good player and people like him but @4 I need to love him accordingly.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Well that's it. Unless a "franchise" QB is there and you draft him, it's a tough spot.

So he can sit for 4-5 years.

 

[BAT]

serious question, if we took Bosa, could he slide inside and play like a Aaron Donald?

He could slide inside and play like a better Tyrone Crawford.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

So he can sit for 4-5 years.

I don't think Romo will last that long.

But certainly a year... at least.

 

[Alexander]

So he can sit for 4-5 years.

This argument was last relevant in 2013.

 

[Gaede]

Bosa #s are pretty good--considering the attn he received. But it's not his productivity that lessens his value. I've said it time and time again, but Bosa's intangibles are very questionable. Not #4 worthy, that's for sure.

Suspended once for drugs, kicked out of another game for dirty play (the final game of the year no less), immature personality and questionable effort.

The total picture of Bosa is that he's a good football prospect with a lot of red flags. And he's not good enough of a football prospect to overlook those red flags.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

This argument was last relevant in 2013.

Since you are saying it's a relevant argument that Romo will last until after the 2018 season (2013 + 5 years), then I'm sure you realize that by the end of the 2019 NFL Season a Rookie QB will be 12 months away from an Osweiler deal with another team, and a guy like Wentz would be 27 yrs old by the time he got to play an entire season.

 

[btcutter]

Bosa #s are pretty good--considering the attn he received. But it's not his productivity that lessens his value. I've said it time and time again, but Bosa's intangibles are very questionable. Not #4 worthy, that's for sure.

Suspended once for drugs, kicked out of another game for dirty play (the final game of the year no less), immature personality and questionable effort.

The total picture of Bosa is that he's a good football prospect with a lot of red flags. And he's not good enough of a football prospect to overlook those red flags.

Immature and will need to grow up described many of these players in the draft.

Honestly, I am tired of choir boys on this team. Bring some guy with attitude and the opposing team hates (not dirty).
I love the hit he put on the Michigan QB (I think) and just drive him into the ground (sorry if that offends anyone).

 

[Gaede]

Immature and will need to grow up described many of these players in the draft.

Honestly, I am tired of choir boys on this team. Bring some guy with attitude and the opposing team hates (not dirty).
I love the hit he put on the Michigan QB (I think) and just drive him into the ground (sorry if that offends anyone).

Attitude is great. Getting suspended for drugs and then kicked out of the most important game of the year is another. That shows he is not reliable.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Never thought I'd say this, but I think Bosa in underrated and very under appreciated in this forum.

I'm also fine with Dallas not taking him at 4, even though I think he'll be multi year Pro Bowler fairly soon. So, obviously, I'm ok with Dallas taking him too

He is a solid player but not a impact player and not a pro bowl type DE. The only way he could sniff a pro bowl is thru injury and super bowl taking away better candidates. He will never get enough QB sacks. Taking him at 4 is overdrafting.

 

[big dog cowboy]

serious question, if we took Bosa, could he slide inside and play like a Aaron Donald?

You could slide him anywhere you want and it wouldn't matter. He will never play like Aaron Donald.

 

[DFWJC]

He is a solid player but not a impact player and not a pro bowl type DE. The only way he could sniff a pro bowl is thru injury and super bowl taking away better candidates. He will never get enough QB sacks. Taking him at 4 is overdrafting.

Not a huge fan really--and fine if we don't take him-- but I do think he'll sniff more than one pro bowl.
He's an outstanding football player, even if he doesn't blow people away with underwear Olympic stuff. He's not a superstar, but more than just very good...imo.
We can politely agree to disagree until time tells one way or the other.