MySa Blog: Choice wouldn't mind trade

[Dodger]

I don't take it as complaning.

Do you think Choice should start over Barber?

So I guess Marion Barber, also a backup 4th round RB, wasn't young, eager, and hungry and didn't want a shot at starting ahead of Julius Jones? Because he never said he needed to play more or ripped the OC in the press.

Nope. He just let his play do the talking, and the rest took care of itself.

 

[Alexander]

So I guess Marion Barber, also a backup 4th round RB, wasn't young, eager, and hungry and didn't want a shot at starting ahead of Julius Jones? Because he never said he needed to play more or ripped the OC in the press.

Parcells would tell young Choice to shut the hell up and if you want to play more, clearly earn your way into that spot.

Barber also was not three deep and unnecessarily made an after thought. He received a good amount of touches in his rookie season. In year two, he was pushing even more. I don't see where there was a concerted effort to make a role consistent enough where he could have earned it. Each time he did have the chance (KC game for example), he has done very very well.

Choice showed enough in 2008 to merit more than a gimmick role in a Wildcat scheme. He only carried the ball six times after Thanksgiving. With Barber obviously hurting, what exactly was the hangup? I am sure he is probably wondering the same thing, albeit out loud.

I agree, perhaps he should probably just take the quiet approach, but I disagree that it is anything like Owens, nor is it a disruption.

 

[Doomsday101]

Do you think Choice should start over Barber?

Nope. He just let his play do the talking, and the rest took care of itself.

Not necessarily, I would like to see him get more touches, though I do understand that is hard to do when dealing with 3 RB.

 

[birdwells1]

So what does he suppose to do, spend a 9 year career as a Cowboys backup? The guy is in his prime age for a RB and wants to show his talent. He sees the writing on the wall he won't get more carries than Barber (contract) and certainly won't get more than Felix. Some of you guys kill me with this "not a team player thing", this guy wants his career to be more than what it is now (3rd string rb) and he probably wont get that chance in Dallas. The Cowboys should trade him now while his value is at it's highest, that would be the best move for both him and the team.

Remember all of you "he's not a team player" guys, this is the same 3rd string running back who called a players only meeting after the SD game that contributed to this team righting the ship. THIRD STRING RUNNING BACK. Now that's a team player for you.

 

[Dodger]

Not necessarily, I would like to see him get more touches, though I do understand that is hard to do when dealing with 3 RB.

Gee, thanks for blowing my theory out of the water.

Ah well...

So what does he suppose to do, spend a 9 year career as a Cowboys backup?

Some of you guys kill me with this "not a team player thing."

No. He needs to go to management and ask for a trade.

Perhaps I just define team player differently that you, but I can tell you this: my definition doesn't include telling the media that you're not getting enough playing time. I'd call that being publicly critical of the team which, to me, seems like a contradiction to the term team player.

 

[NeonNinja]

I don't see a problem with him wanting to play more and I think he should be on the field more. The way he went about it is an issue with me, he should have kept this in house and had those discussion behind closed doors.

 

[odog422]

As for Sproles the answer is yes. He had a monster game in the playoffs for the chargers where he carried the team to a great victory over the Colts. He set a record for most all purpose yards in the playoffs. But now look at him.

It's easy for a player to look great in a short burst. Things can start to look different when they get extended action. I am not an anti choice guy. I hope he proves to be great as long as he is on this team. I dont blame him for looking out for number 1. But i am have not seen enough to call him a feature back as he calls himself. So in these cases i default to the coaching staff. If they think of him as such then he will become that.

As much as we like to point to Miles Austin and say "look the coaches are wrong", it doesn't mean they are always wrong. These guys live and breath football. This is how they feed their families. I guess i just trust that they make the right decisions the large majority of the time. As fans we hold onto small pieces of the puzzle and think we know more than they do.

With Sproles you are talking one game. And he was utilized in a much more varied fashion. I also think San Diego's line at the time was much much better than ours was comparitively, and I don't consider the Colts run D to be near the caliber of the Steelers, Ravens or even the Giants at that time. That to me says legitimacy. I also think Choice's college career is further evidence of his ability to start for this team, although I'll leave that out for purposes of staying on track.

Since you concede that coaches make the right decision the majority of the time and not always, you therefore concede that fans can sometimes be right in their disagreement with the coaches, right? I think this situation, especially as I already mentioned, with Barber hurt last year, was a classic example of coaches making the wrong decision and not utilizing a proven weapon.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I don't see a problem with him wanting to play more and I think he should be on the field more. The way he went about it is an issue with me, he should have kept this in house and had those discussion behind closed doors.

 

[Doomsday101]

Gee, thanks for blowing my theory out of the water.

Ah well...

No. He needs to go to management and ask for a trade.

Perhaps I just define team player differently that you, but I can tell you this: my definition doesn't include telling the media that you're not getting enough playing time. I'd call that being publicly critical of the team which, to me, seems like a contradiction to the term team player.

What can I say, I have no real agenda. I like all 3 of our RB and would expect for at least this upcoming season for all to return.

All I see with Choice is a guy who would like to have the chance at contributing more to the team.

If he was hollering about being traded as so many other players do then I would be a bit disappointed in him but I don't see that being the case at this point.

 

[Randy White]

Instead of this pointless rant you could have just answered yes.

Not when the question is as condescending as:

How do you know so much about our 3rd rb that only had 60 carries last year total? You sound like you are talking about emmitt smith. Please tell me this isnt based on 1 or 2 games he played a long time ago that we lost........

OBVIOUSLY you already made up your mind on what I knew about Choice, only to find out you were: MISTAKEN.

Dont act like your evaluation of choice is based on production. If so then you should have very similar things to say about Darren Sproles and Chris Brown. Both have stat lines that look like choices. In fact sproles can even return kicks and punts.

A) " MY " evaluation of Choice IS based on production. In limited opportunites, he's produced well beyond of what's expected of him.

b) Darren Sproles could have, still could be, a starting productive back, and it so happen that HIS story is very similar to Choice. Like Choice, he's had to follow 2 back ahead of him ( LaDainian Tomlinson and Michael Turner ) who were at the very least, excellent players. Like Choice, he's produced more than expected on a limited basis, but hopefuly Choice, unlike Sprole, will be able to take advantage of his prime years as a starter.

c) Chris Brown ? Why would I say the same thing about, basically, a career back up RB ?

You act like based on his very very limited contributions he should be cherished and starting. Seriously?

Very.

You probably also are one of the "Ogletree should be starting" fans....... please humor me on your ogletree stance

No and No

I know its hard to swallow but Wade Phillips, Jason Garrett and the position coaches that have been around pro football for many years all know a little more than you and can evaluate talent better than we can. Otherwise you would be them and they would be arguing with someone on a message board.

Excellent point, with the exception that this are the same coaches who's missed on Miles Austin. While they possess a large amount of information that I'm not preview to, it doesn't mean they're infallible.

Of course, going by your philosophy, Barry Switzer and Larry Lacewell should have been allowed to make the calls undisputed since they were around pro football for many years as well.

If you don't know who they are ( and going by your post, it looks that you might not ), look them up.

 

[Coakleys Dad]

 

[isawoj]

ready for this kid to go based on this article.

I thought he was supposed to be a high character guy?

He is a high character guy. He tempers everything he says with, I love the team and I respect the other backs.

He could just come out and say he is frustrated to not have been given a shot to play.

Jerry created this. Jerry gave $45mm to a player who average less than 65 ypg the year he went to the Pro Bowl and was never a full time back in college of the NFL.

Now a guy who led the ACC in rushing 2 years in a row finds himself benched behind MBIII and it is wearing thin.

I think this is Choice telling Ginger that he wants an open competition for playing time next year (MBIII vs. Choice) or he will not be a happy camper.

 

[isawoj]

The guy who receives the snap can audible out of any play call. Maybe if he had mixed it up a little we'd have used it more. Just saying.

Choice had no ability to audible out of the set play.

Here is a guy with limited running chances that ended up almost exclusively out of the wildcat running it up the gut every time. It is hard to get yards when the opposing D knows exactly what is coming.

 

[superonyx]

Excellent point, with the exception that this are the same coaches who's missed on Miles Austin. While they possess a large amount of information that I'm not preview to, it doesn't mean they're infallible.

Of course, going by your philosophy, Barry Switzer and Larry Lacewell should have been allowed to make the calls undisputed since they were around pro football for many years as well.

If you don't know who they are ( and going by your post, it looks that you might not ), look them up.

So based on your admitted limited amount of knowledge of choice you think he should jump ahead of both Barber and Felix? That is a pretty good jump from 3rd string to feature back. Especially when Felix has actually shown even more than Choice has. So where is the justification for jumping these 2 backs. I understand you have jumped on the anti Barber bandwagon already so you can make the same tired argument about him wearing down. But what about Felix?

And yes i would trust both Lacewell and Switzer over you in evaluating talent at the Rb position. Any compelling reasons why i shouldnt?

And dont try backtracking and say choice and felix should share carries. Choice wants to be featured. He has a long way to go around here.

 

[superonyx]

Excellent point. Maybe you can chime in with more of your argument for your man crush. Remember your post on another thread when your argument for Choice was because he has been studying the playbook......

Classic.:laugh2:

 

[Coakleys Dad]

super mor-onyx.

He's sooo cool, that he can be rude and demeaning. (not)

 

[birdwells1]

Choice had no ability to audible out of the set play.

Here is a guy with limited running chances that ended up almost exclusively out of the wildcat running it up the gut every time. It is hard to get yards when the opposing D knows exactly what is coming.

Yeah, you are correct on this one. I thought Hos would know better than this.

 

[dallasfaniac]

It appears that the original article was pieced together from quotes taken at various times so I will withold judgement until I see transcipts of the events in question. The media has a way of twisting the words to mean what they want. However, I still think much of this could have best been served in house rather than in the public spotlight.

That said, if the right deal came along, I would not be opposed to trading him to help both the Cowboys and his own plight. Then I'd pick up someone like Montario Hardesty or Lonyae Miller.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The media was a completely different animal back in the early 1970s. If the same situation with Staubach replicated itself today, you would have full page articles devoted to the "controversy".

Nothing gets by now, not even something as insignificant as a player wanting more time.

Completely true. The media is so much worse now days then it was back then. If Roger faced the media that players do today he'd have been crucified by the media, and likely fans, for talking to Landry about trading him.

True...he didn't seek the media out. My bad...or more accurately, my exaggeration there.

Hell, there's a good example. Sometimes it's all so easy to vent and say something that shouldn't be said. I know it has to be tough to ignore a reporter's question when you really, really want let it all out, but that's what I expect from professional football players. Gotta gripe? Take it to management. Yeah, it's my standard, maybe a bit too much to ask, but I admire players more who don't do what Choice just did.

I don't see anything wrong with that either. I'm not disagreeing with your policy here. I think it's the right one. But even if he did that there is no way that it wouldn't get out. Someone would tell someone in the media and there would be a report about Choice going to the owner asking for a trade and he'd upset some fans even if he did it that way.

No win situation for him in, IMO, in a thing like this.

Do you think Choice should start over Barber?

Nope. He just let his play do the talking, and the rest took care of itself.

Yes I do think Choice should start. I'm a self professed fan of all 3 of our backs but I've been more than clear that Choice is my favorite and the guy who I think, all around, is the best back of the 3.

I want him starting and splitting the early carries with Felix and then letting Barber be the guy who takes the less carries, and takes his carries late in the games, to pound teams when they're tired and this would allow Barber to stay fresh and not allow his style to beat him up through out the year.

That's just my opinion though.

Barber also was not three deep and unnecessarily made an after thought. He received a good amount of touches in his rookie season. In year two, he was pushing even more. I don't see where there was a concerted effort to make a role consistent enough where he could have earned it. Each time he did have the chance (KC game for example), he has done very very well.

Choice showed enough in 2008 to merit more than a gimmick role in a Wildcat scheme. He only carried the ball six times after Thanksgiving. With Barber obviously hurting, what exactly was the hangup? I am sure he is probably wondering the same thing, albeit out loud.

I agree, perhaps he should probably just take the quiet approach, but I disagree that it is anything like Owens, nor is it a disruption.

I agree with this as well. I think Choice has more than shown, in his limited oppurtunities in spot roles and even when he's needed to start, that he's a player and a playmaker. I love the kid. I would love to see him starting and doing his thing.

 

[Randy White]

So based on your admitted limited amount of knowledge of choice you think he should jump ahead of both Barber and Felix? That is a pretty good jump from 3rd string to feature back. Especially when Felix has actually shown even more than Choice has.

I've never said " featured back ". Read first and then type. I said he COULD be a feature back for anybody who'd be willing to put him in an I formation with a fullback in front him.

As for his role in Dallas, at the very least, he should be splitting carries with Felix. This would make Felix last longer and his threat of big plays stay longer. Marion Barber is a distant 3rd back on this team.

So where is the justification for jumping these 2 backs. I understand you have jumped on the anti Barber bandwagon already so you can make the same tired argument about him wearing down. But what about Felix?

The one getting tired is me answering this at best, naive, questions over and over again. If you don't get it, you don't get it.

And yes i would trust both Lacewell and Switzer over you in evaluating talent at the Rb position. Any compelling reasons why i shouldnt?

Well, there you go. Not much else needs to be said after that only that I would trust even YOU to evaluate talent over either of those clowns..

maybe not..