Name the one Cowboy you hope is cut next year

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Bob Sacamano;3146218 said:
people say our talent is overrated, and I agree...to an extent. it's overrated on D, but the collection on O is more than adequate. just Garrett is stupid


I don't think Garrett is stupid. I think he's brilliant and innovative. The draw play he's designed, where Romo looks like he's about to throw the ball right before handing it off to the RB, is ground breaking, like when Tom Landry invented the 4-3, or the use of the shotgun..etc. Teams, especially passing teams, will start using that more and more in the future, and passing plays will develop from that. Mark my words. The linning up of the TE as a WR and using him as a blocker is also a genius move.

The problem I have with him, though, it's that he's not quite there yet when it comes to play calling, particularly against good teams in close games. I think he gets caught up in calling plays that should work when he needs to call play that will work, and there's a difference between the two. IMO, that's the biggest difference between he and Norv and what makes Norv a heck of a strategist. Sean Peyton is the same way.

But you know what, Sean Peyton went through the same, exact rough spots that Garrett is going through right now. People used to say the same things about him when he was the OC for the Giants and alot of fans today don't remember that he was actually demoted by Jim Fassel and his play call duties were taken away from him. Fassel wasn't a stupid man, however, and said that Peyton would still design the plays and game plans because he was that bright. Parcells also did the same at some point when he was in Dallas.

I think the Jerrathor knows this and it's why he's hanging on to him.
 

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I will nevr understand the pure hatred so many have for Terrence Newman. He's a solid corner and always has been. We can't get any pressure with 4 rushers this year, and that is hurting our secondary.
 

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Royal Laegotti;3146204 said:
I don't care if they put a junior high left tackle in his place, cut Flozell now.

Flozell has played lights out most of this season. Maybe if you were not blinded by your hate you would not look so ignorant...probably would though.
 

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The30YardSlant;3146279 said:
I will nevr understand the pure hatred so many have for Terrence Newman. He's a solid corner and always has been. We can't get any pressure with 4 rushers this year, and that is hurting our secondary.

I disagree with you big time more times than not, but here you're absolutely correct.

People see Newman getting "burned" but I see scheme issues. Kind of hard to justify getting "burned" on a go-route when Newman is obviously playing Cover 2.

And it's "Terence." Only one "r." :p:
 

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casmith07;3146307 said:
Kind of hard to justify getting "burned" on a go-route when Newman is obviously playing Cover 2.

Exactly

They see a camera angle on TV that shows Newman as the closest player to the receiver and automatically assume he got "burned" when in reality in zone coverage it is almost always the safety's fault for getting too deep or not deep enough
 

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The30YardSlant;3146318 said:
Exactly

They see a camera angle on TV that shows Newman as the closest player to the receiver and automatically assume he got "burned" when in reality in zone coverage it is almost always the safety's fault for getting too deep or not deep enough


Funny how the TNEW homers defend the flatfooted, complacent DB...Tony Dungy, who most of us believe as an expert on Cover 2 basically said Tnew does not no what he is doing and blamed him for blowing the play....time and time again Tnew is out of position, and getting burned and gets pointed out by the experts...face..it Tnew is older and declining more each year...
If scandrick steps up Tnew could be warming the bench next year..
 

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Bigdog24;3146344 said:
Funny how the TNEW homers defend the flatfooted, complacent DB...Tony Dungy, who most of us believe as an expert on Cover 2 basically said Tnew does not no what he is doing and blamed him for blowing the play....time and time again Tnew is out of position, and getting burned and gets pointed out by the experts...face..it Tnew is older and declining more each year...
If scandrick steps up Tnew could be warming the bench next year..

I can't believe the people defending him. He sucks. I hope he's not warming the bench next year. I hope he's gone.
 

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Bigdog24;3146344 said:
Funny how the TNEW homers defend the flatfooted, complacent DB...Tony Dungy, who most of us believe as an expert on Cover 2 basically said Tnew does not no what he is doing and blamed him for blowing the play....time and time again Tnew is out of position, and getting burned and gets pointed out by the experts...face..it Tnew is older and declining more each year...
If scandrick steps up Tnew could be warming the bench next year..

1: Punctuation. Good Lord.

2: I didnt say Newman never blows an assignment. I said there are a lot of idiots like you who think every completion we give up is his fault. Oh, and calling Terence Newman "flatfooted" is one of least informed comments ever made on this board.

3: Even if he did become the 3rd CB, he wouldnt see much time on the bench. Teams are using nickel defenses a significant portion of the time in the NFL these days.
 

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The30YardSlant;3146318 said:
Exactly

They see a camera angle on TV that shows Newman as the closest player to the receiver and automatically assume he got "burned" when in reality in zone coverage it is almost always the safety's fault for getting too deep or not deep enough

Actually, you're wrong. Completely wrong.

Now, it wasn't enterirely Newman's fault because that defense should have never been called, especially against the Chargers, but Newman was supposed to do something and he didn't.

Coach Dungy, who knows a thing or two about cover 2, explained it on Sunday night. It's on record too.

Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcO7srR3pS0
 

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Randy White;3146571 said:
Actually, you're wrong. Completely wrong.

Now, it wasn't enterirely Newman's fault because that defense should have never been called, especially against the Chargers, but Newman was supposed to do something and he didn't.

Coach Dungy, who knows a thing or two about cover 2, explained it on Sunday night. It's on record too.

Funny how NONE of the cornerbacks on the field did what Dungy said they supposedly should have been doing.
 

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Randy White;3146571 said:
Actually, you're wrong. Completely wrong.

Now, it wasn't enterirely Newman's fault because that defense should have never been called, especially against the Chargers, but Newman was supposed to do something and he didn't.

Coach Dungy, who knows a thing or two about cover 2, explained it on Sunday night. It's on record too.

Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcO7srR3pS0

By Dungy's logic, nobody in our secondary was doing their job

Maybe Dungy is just missing something? Nah, that would hurt your argument.

Bottom-line: Sensabaugh made a bad read on the play, went too deep and stayed too far inside because he thought he could make a play on the slot-receiver. The slot-receiver, had Rivers seen him, was going to score regardless of what Sensabaugh did (this is another matter enitely, what a poor playcall against that offensive set). Newman was expecting help, and didnt get any. It wasnt great coverage, but the blame lies squarely on poor defensive playcalling and a poor read by Sensabaugh.

San Diego had three players open on that play, one of which would have been a walk in TD
 

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The30YardSlant;3146583 said:
By Dungy's logic, nobody in our secondary was doing their job

Maybe Dungy is just missing something? Nah, that would hurt your argument.

I will trust Dungy on anything cover 2 he was the master of that defense
 

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The30YardSlant;3146583 said:
By Dungy's logic, nobody in our secondary was doing their job. Maybe Dungy is just missing something? Nah, that would hurt your argument.


Yea, right.. Now Dungy, who only coached two teams ( both who won SBs ) exclusively using cover 2 defenses is " missing something " ?...

It seems YOU are the one who's " missing something "..
 

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Randy White;3146589 said:
Yea, right.. Now Dungy, who only coached two teams ( both who won SBs ) exclusively using cover 2 defenses is " missing something " ?...

It seems YOU are the one who's " missing something "..

I'm not missing anything. The defensive call was doomed to fail from the beginning, but Sensabaugh should have recognized that he couldnt do anything with the slot-reciever, played Jackson over the top and prayed that Rivers threw it his way (which he did). One of the first things they teach you as a DB in grade school is don't leave a second receiver open for the sake of trying to get to a receiver who you clearly can't make a play on, it only exacerbates the problem. Now the QB has TWO open receivers to pick from.

What could have been an INT was the backbreaking play of the game for us.
 

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The30YardSlant;3146279 said:
I will nevr understand the pure hatred so many have for Terrence Newman. He's a solid corner and always has been. We can't get any pressure with 4 rushers this year, and that is hurting our secondary.

the only thing that saves T-New is his make-up speed. week in and week out he's biting on fakes, getting turned every which way. He always seems to be behind the receiver.

and on another note, why are our DB's the only ones to line up 15 yards off the reciever?
 

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iGor Olpiffsky;3146600 said:
the only thing that saves T-New is his make-up speed. week in and week out he's biting on fakes, getting turned every which way. He always seems to be behind the receiver.

and on another note, why are our DB's the only ones to line up 15 yards off the reciever?

And what about the fact that Newman is one pace for a career high in passes defensed this year? How is it that only two players in the entire NFL have more passes defensed since Newman came into the league? How is it that such an awful corner went almost two full seasons without giving up a TD pass at one point in his career, a feat that no other player in the NFL has done since Newman entered the league?

There are, at any given time in the NFL, no more than 2 or 3 corners who don't get burned atg least a few times a year. Newman used to be one of them, and he is still a very solid player.
 
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