NBA 2015 Season Talk

[visionary]

you are sick in the head. one on one, they were basically even.

You're alone on that ledge lol

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

As a huge Spurs fan, it pains me, but I would give the edge to Hakeem over David. It's hard to say that as I've always considered Robinson to be the NBA's version of Roger Staubach.

That was the golden age for NBA centers, there were so many good ones during that time. If David or Hakeem played today, either would run roughshod over this league, there are no centers that could hope to slow either of them down.

Center Postion transitioned from Kareem, & Moses, to Pat, David, & Hakeem... followed up by Shaq... (I'd Say Tim, but he's more of a PF, and a great one at that)
Awesome time for centers was the 80's 90's & early 2000's.... but the position has shifted... the stretch 5, or the pick and roll 5 is what the game is now.... You would be fortunate to get a center who can score, move and rim protect...
Come on down Embiid!

 

[Roadtrip635]

Center Postion transitioned from Kareem, & Moses, to Pat, David, & Hakeem... followed up by Shaq... (I'd Say Tim, but he's more of a PF, and a great one at that)
Awesome time for centers was the 80's 90's & early 2000's.... but the position has shifted... the stretch 5, or the pick and roll 5 is what the game is now.... You would be fortunate to get a center who can score, move and rim protect...
Come on down Embiid!

Sometimes people forget just how deep the center position was back then, there was also Mourning, Rik Smits, Brad Daugherty, Mutombo, Mark Eaton. Good big man battles every night. In today's NBA, Hakeem or Robinson would be dominating like Godzilla tearing through Tokyo with no one to stop them. It's all about guards and wings now which isn't a bad thing, just miss some of those epic big man battles from time to time.

 

[Tabascocat]

you are sick in the head. one on one, they were basically even.

No they weren't. David was very good but Hakeem was the best Center ever.........IMO of course.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

No they weren't. David was very good but Hakeem was the best Center ever.........IMO of course.

I stay away from saying "best ever" because all of the older folks i've met say Lew/ Kareem might have been the best player they've ever seen..... again, not counting the 80's version of Capt Skyhook. But Dream was the best center i've ever watched.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

Sometimes people forget just how deep the center position was back then, there was also Mourning, Rik Smits, Brad Daugherty, Mutombo, Mark Eaton. Good big man battles every night. In today's NBA, Hakeem or Robinson would be dominating like Godzilla tearing through Tokyo with no one to stop them. It's all about guards and wings now which isn't a bad thing, just miss some of those epic big man battles from time to time.

Absolutely... Rick Smits, Robert Parish, injured but effective six man Bill Walton (post Portland), Sabonis (who we never saw they best of), older ex MVP Bob MacAdoo, Ralph Sampson (who we also never seen the best of), Bill Cartwright (pre pat), Bill Lambeer, Jack Sikma(bucks version), Vlade Divac, Micheal Thompson.... All of these guys were at the least solid, several went to the All Star Game a few times..... But again this is a different game, the paint was closed for business back than. The game is much more free flowing now. You don't see the scoring post center with the enforcer power forward much these days....

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

OKC and NO continue to fight it out.... 3 game left for each....
I have to root for OKC... (if they lose out philly loses their pick..)

 

[burmafrd]

Absolutely... Rick Smits, Robert Parish, injured but effective six man Bill Walton (post Portland), Sabonis (who we never saw they best of), older ex MVP Bob MacAdoo, Ralph Sampson (who we also never seen the best of), Bill Cartwright (pre pat), Bill Lambeer, Jack Sikma(bucks version), Vlade Divac, Micheal Thompson.... All of these guys were at the least solid, several went to the All Star Game a few times..... But again this is a different game, the paint was closed for business back than. The game is much more free flowing now. You don't see the scoring post center with the enforcer power forward much these days....

it was absolutely ridiculous how many good to near great centers there were that never could even make the All Star game because of that depth.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

it was absolutely ridiculous how many good to near great centers there were that never could even make the All Star game because of that depth.

this is true.

 

[Roadtrip635]

Absolutely... Rick Smits, Robert Parish, injured but effective six man Bill Walton (post Portland), Sabonis (who we never saw they best of), older ex MVP Bob MacAdoo, Ralph Sampson (who we also never seen the best of), Bill Cartwright (pre pat), Bill Lambeer, Jack Sikma(bucks version), Vlade Divac, Micheal Thompson.... All of these guys were at the least solid, several went to the All Star Game a few times..... But again this is a different game, the paint was closed for business back than. The game is much more free flowing now. You don't see the scoring post center with the enforcer power forward much these days....

Got to hankering for some old school center play and watched some of The Admiral's highlights

The Admiral, only one of five players to ever score 70+
He dropped 71 on the last game of the season to beat out Shaq for the scoring title that year




What else do The Admiral and The Dream have in common? They are two of only four players to record a quadruple double. The Dream is the only player to ever done it twice! One of the other two players to ever do a quad double, Alvin Robertson, also a San Antonio Spur.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

Got to hankering for some old school center play and watched some of The Admiral's highlights

The Admiral, only one of five players to ever score 70+
He dropped 71 on the last game of the season to beat out Shaq for the scoring title that year




What else do The Admiral and The Dream have in common? They are two of only four players to record a quadruple double. The Dream is the only player to ever done it twice! One of the other two players to ever do a quad double, Alvin Robertson, also a San Antonio Spur.

I watched that 71 point game... the clippers didn't care, nor showed any resistance (last game of the season), sort of like when kobe torched the raptors for 81.... no resistance against a bad team that didn't care... that being said, both great achievements..... now when mike scored 63 against the celts... its was in the playoffs, and nothing the celtics were doing could stop him... that was amazing... (if you watch the video, you will see the defense just get tougher, it didn't matter)

 

[Biggems]

No they weren't. David was very good but Hakeem was the best Center ever.........IMO of course.

exactly, in your opinion......

I like how you put HO above Russell, Wilt, Jabbar, David, Shaq......that is definitely a strong opinion you have.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

The Russell Wilt Alcindor/Jabbar argument is a bit more difficult.... Shaq, Pat and Admiral were Hakeem's contemporaries, more people than not would say he was better than those three....

And respect to them all, they all had their weaknesses, Shaq was all power, Pat was a streaky jump shooter, Admiral was a great defender, offense was based off his athleticism (he also had that nice extended jumper)... But Akeem, Hakeem...Dream...
Embodied what all those guys had (save raw power)... plus he was clutch, and carried a franchise after coming back from blood clots... (which hindered a bit of his greatness)
The man had defenders on skates.... you never knew what he was going to do... the others were somewhat predictable.

 

[Tabascocat]

exactly, in your opinion......

I like how you put HO above Russell, Wilt, Jabbar, David, Shaq......that is definitely a strong opinion you have.

Shaq??? I can see the arguments for Wilt and Kareem but not the others.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

No center that I watched or studied via tape (I used to have to watch wilt, jabbar,and russell when I was younger for work), had the skill level that Dream had except Jabbar. But again, I won't Judge the players I didn't watch in full games over and over...... And yes shaq was the rawest.... outside of 10 ft from the basket he wasn't much of a factor. He wasn't even as good as a rebounder as he could have been.

 

[Tabascocat]

No center that I watched or studied via tape (I used to have to watch wilt, jabbar,and russell when I was younger for work), had the skill level that Dream had except Jabbar. But again, I won't Judge the players I didn't watch in full games over and over...... And yes shaq was the rawest.... outside of 10 ft from the basket he wasn't much of a factor. He wasn't even as good as a rebounder as he could have been.

Shaq just used brute force, his skills were no where near Hakeems..........not even close.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

Shaq just used brute force, his skills were no where near Hakeems..........not even close.

He was the least skilled of the four, but the most imposing and powerful of the 4. He also didn't work as hard as the other four in my opinion.
But he was still dominant, and has four titles to show for it.

 

[Tabascocat]

He was the least skilled of the four, but the most imposing and powerful of the 4. He also didn't work as hard as the other four in my opinion.
But he was still dominant, and has four titles to show for it.

He was very dominant, that isn't a question. But, he is not in the top 5 Centers...........

 

[Biggems]

So okc loses its pick if it makes the playoffs?

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

So okc loses its pick if it makes the playoffs?

... it is top 18 protected.... so they would have to finish above NO, and Wash if my math is right....
NO, maybe, Wash no...