NBA Free Agency

[darthseinfeld]

Unless the Celtics land the #1 pick again next year, AND Michael Porter Jr. ends up being Kevin Durant, it's hard to say that Porzingis isn't worth Tatum + next year's #1 from BKLN

That fact that he's cost controlled for the next so many years, really makes it a no brainer, unless you are assuming they land Porter and he becomes Durant.

They wanted more then 2 lotto assets. I think two would have gotten it done.

However I think at this point no one is getting that Brooklyn pick. Potter, Ayton or Doncic will probably be the centerpiece of the Celtics future. My guess is there eyes are on Potter as he is the top rated guy and a probable offensive superstar. Doncic is starting to get a lot of hype though

 

[darthseinfeld]

What I would do if I was Boston and we miss out on Hayward is I would call Detroit about Drummond, whom they were shopping at the deadline. I would offer a package similar to what they were planning to offer for George ( 3 non lotto firsts and a player) and maybe include a 2nd player. The Celtics have two PG's they can dangle in trade, Smart and Rozier. Smart is a more valuable trade chip, and he will be expensive for the C to retain next year with no clear path the a starting job. They also have Ante Zizic who is a very promising 5 with a rebounding and defensive skill set that would be too similar to Drummonds. I think a deal of a hand full of non lotto firsts, Smart and Zizic could be enticing to Detroit

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Lakers and George Hill have serious mutual interest in a one year deal. Lonzo and Hill would start. I'm pumped if this goes thru.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

They wanted more then 2 lotto assets. I think two would have gotten it done.

So is Brown still considered a lotto asset? If so, I personally doubt he was the deal breaker, it was the BKLN pick, which is fine, just know that it isn't realistic to trade for a player as young and who has accomplished as much as Porzingis, who is under contract for as long as he is, without giving up a ton of assets

 

[darthseinfeld]

So is Brown still considered a lotto asset? If so, I personally doubt he was the deal breaker, it was the BKLN pick, which is fine, just know that it isn't realistic to trade for a player as young and who has accomplished as much as Porzingis, who is under contract for as long as he is, without giving up a ton of assets

Yes Brown is a lotto asset as they spent the 3rd overall pick in him and are very high on him.

I agree with you on the compensation. Thats why you dont see players like that moved very often. But the way the Knicks handled it, no way they get an acceptable deal. And Ainge is never going to shell that out for 1 player. Especially if he had to take Noahs deal which would have been ridiculous

 

[darthseinfeld]

So is Brown still considered a lotto asset? If so, I personally doubt he was the deal breaker, it was the BKLN pick, which is fine, just know that it isn't realistic to trade for a player as young and who has accomplished as much as Porzingis, who is under contract for as long as he is, without giving up a ton of assets

Effectively trading for Porzingis would have taken everything the Celtics got from Brooklyn. Contrary what the media thinks, Ainge isnt hording these pics to deal them. He is holding them to build a young core. Consider they turned down a Butler deal for the 3rd overall straight up. People dont realize that they arent actually in the middle of a rebuild. The timeline just got sped up by a few factors, but the plan is still in place. Ainge isnt itching to cash his chips in like the media likes to present

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Lakers News....

According to Sports Journalist (covers Lakers/Dodgers) David Wiess, George Hill has agreed to 1 year deal with Lakers, but holdup is Lakers wanting more info on his medical records.

 

[Biggems]

Lakers News....

According to Sports Journalist (covers Lakers/Dodgers) David Wiess, George Hill has agreed to 1 year deal with Lakers, but holdup is Lakers wanting more info on his medical records.

YEEEEEEEEEES.........this means he won't be coming back to SA, thank goodness.

 

[darthseinfeld]

So is Brown still considered a lotto asset? If so, I personally doubt he was the deal breaker, it was the BKLN pick, which is fine, just know that it isn't realistic to trade for a player as young and who has accomplished as much as Porzingis, who is under contract for as long as he is, without giving up a ton of assets

Honestly I think both teams would be better off not making that deal. With the Unicorn, Ntilikina, and Hermangomez, I think the Knicks are a good wing scorer away from a good young core. And next years draft features two excellent wing prospects in Porter and Doncic that are attainable for NY. And if the East is is weak as it is now ( it should be) Porter in particular could push them to a low seed if the Porzingis has broken the 24 ppg barrier and Ntilikina can 3 and D at the level expected.

And im not trying to troll you with 3 responses to the same post, really im not

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

If I'm the Celts, the "Lativian gangbanger" makes much more sense in my offense than Andre Drummond.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I keep seeing Swaggy P to the Warriors.

 

[darthseinfeld]

If I'm the Celts, the "Lativian gangbanger" makes much more sense in my offense than Andre Drummond.

The cost would be too high. Drummond's offensive game is meh, but he would give us thay monster on the boards we need. If they were looking to swap him for Deandre Jordan before, I dont think the cost would be that high

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

I keep seeing Swaggy P to the Warriors.

As a Laker fan, I was surprised no playoff team picked him up last year before the trade deadline. The Cavs, Celtics, etc. They could have had him for a 2nd round pick. The guy is streaky, but had his best season last year, is an excellent 3pt shooter. If he goes to Warriors, their bench now has a legit 3pt shooter. And his defense has improved, not a liability as once was early in his career.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I keep seeing Swaggy P to the Warriors.

He played alot more like a legit contributor last season then the inefficient microwave scorer in the past. Got good reviews for his defense ( ). He kind of makes sense for them, but do they have a place in there rotation?

 

[darthseinfeld]

As a Laker fan, I was surprised no playoff team picked him up last year before the trade deadline. The Cavs, Celtics, etc. They could have had him for a 2nd round pick. The guy is streaky, but had his best season last year, is an excellent 3pt shooter. If he goes to Warriors, their bench now has a legit 3pt shooter. And his defense has improved, not a liability as once was early in his career.

Swaggy P grew up, to the chagrin of all us jokesters

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

So what's left for Celtics? What other names are they looking at? Losing Hayward has to be a big blow.

 

[darthseinfeld]

So what's left for Celtics? What other names are they looking at? Losing Hayward has to be a big blow.

Gallinari was the fallback, I think they still have time to get in on that. But the clock is ticking and it may be too late to put a legit offer in. I think Tyson Chandler is a good option on a short term deal. He would give the Celtics that interior presence they really lack. Its just one summer league game, but Zizic didnt look ready for a major role yet.

Trade is another option as well, but its hard to tell who is on the market. A package similar to what they were offering for George should add a quality peice without losing lotto assets

As it is right now, I see one of Brown or Tatum getting 30 minutes a game. My guess would be Brown

Good news is is that we didn't decline, we just didnt improve. We are still likely the 2nd best team in the East and 3rd at worst. Not getting a good bite with a max slot hurts. But Boston has never done well in FA, so it is pretty much expected to be a bridesmaid in these chases

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

The cost would be too high. Drummond's offensive game is meh, but he would give us thay monster on the boards we need. If they were looking to swap him for Deandre Jordan before, I dont think the cost would be that high

I think Jordan and Drummond are effectively the same player and are limited by today's NBA game. I think they can be productive in limited minutes the way Andre Bogut was at his best in Oakland.

That said, these are guys that are pulled off the floor in close, crunch-time situations because they are liabilities at the FT line. In that way, I think their values aren't as high as they were say 3-4 seasons ago.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I think Jordan and Drummond are effectively the same player and are limited by today's NBA game. I think they can be productive in limited minutes the way Andre Bogut was at his best in Oakland.

That said, these are guys that are pulled off the floor in close, crunch-time situations because they are liabilities at the FT line. In that way, I think their values aren't as high as they were say 3-4 seasons ago.

The thing with Drummond is his contract. Baby max is alot for him in todays NBA. I think the Celtics could really use that type of player. But thats a good point about crunch time. Greybeard Chandler offers alot of the skills Drummond has still, and he would come on a short term deal. They also have a similar young player in Zizic who could use a mentor like Chandler.

As far as how to use their space, it looks like Gallinari is about gone. Not a whole lot left, unless there is a good player to be had for a similar package they were offering Indiana. But names escape me at the moment. Good news is the only hit is Amir Johnson, so we at least maintain similar position as we did last year. We can still get Brown and Tatum a good amount of playoff experience, which is rare for high picks these days