NBA Free Agency

[JoeyBoy718]

Celtics have 9 small forwards, 8 guards, 0 centers and Al Horford.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Celtics have 9 small forwards, 8 guards, 0 centers and Al Horford.

Center is a dead position

 

[darthseinfeld]

Not sure what I'd give up, but we could use Marcus Smart in NY

If it's a move to get under the cap, you should get good value

 

[darthseinfeld]

Marc Gasol being talked about as a possible Celtics trade target

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Center is a dead position

Apparently they're interested in Marc Gasol. They're trying to package a trade for him. Personally, I think it's a great move for the short-term. They have a surplus of guards and small forwards, and a Gasol-Horford duo would be a solid front court. I just don't know how smart it would be to give away too many picks/young talent to acquire a 32 year old. Otherwise, why didn't they just trade for Porzingis?

 

[darthseinfeld]

Apparently they're interested in Marc Gasol. They're trying to package a trade for him. Personally, I think it's a great move for the short-term. They have a surplus of guards and small forwards, and a Gasol-Horford duo would be a solid front court. I just don't know how smart it would be to give away too many picks/young talent to acquire a 32 year old. Otherwise, why didn't they just trade for Porzingis?

They wont give up anything substantial. May a couple non lotto firsts and a guy like Crowder maybe. I dont know if thats gonna get it done. Maybe Bradley of they want an expiring deal over a cheap ine

 

[JoeyBoy718]

They wont give up anything substantial. May a couple non lotto firsts and a guy like Crowder maybe. I dont know if thats gonna get it done. Maybe Bradley of they want an expiring deal over a cheap ine

You think they might give up Jaylen Brown? 20 year old SF who was the #3 overall pick last year. He might be a little redundant now that they just signed Hayward and drafted Tatum.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Honestly I think both teams would be better off not making that deal. With the Unicorn, Ntilikina, and Hermangomez, I think the Knicks are a good wing scorer away from a good young core. And next years draft features two excellent wing prospects in Porter and Doncic that are attainable for NY. And if the East is is weak as it is now ( it should be) Porter in particular could push them to a low seed if the Porzingis has broken the 24 ppg barrier and Ntilikina can 3 and D at the level expected.

And im not trying to troll you with 3 responses to the same post, really im not

Btw, while Porzingis and Hernangomez are friends, they aren't a good pairing in the court, at least defensively. Porzingis is at his best, when used as a rim protector and Hernangomez is average at best at that, but even worse as a perimeter defender. I wouldn't deal him now, maybe at some point after Porzingis signs long term, but he's a back up at best with us, considering he can only play one position defensively and he's at best average at it

 

[darthseinfeld]

You think they might give up Jaylen Brown? 20 year old SF who was the #3 overall pick last year. He might be a little redundant now that they just signed Hayward and drafted Tatum.

No they are very high in Jaylon and Jaylon is likely to be their 2 guard after Bradley leaves next year. One summer league game isnt a good sample size for development, but Brown dominated the 76ers to the point it looked like a waste of time having him there. I can a bigger uptick in minutes then I thought.

Him and Tatum have different skill sets. Tatum is ultimately going to be a stretch/ISO 4. Not quite a stretch 4 now because he deep shot is quite consistent . His trajectory to a starter role isnt clear to me, but he will likely to the lead scorer on the 2nd and can flex from PF/SF.

It may get dicey if they land #1 next year and like Porter. Then I can see Tatum possibly getting traded. But even then, Stevens is big on positionless basketabll

 

[darthseinfeld]

Apparently they're interested in Marc Gasol. They're trying to package a trade for him. Personally, I think it's a great move for the short-term. They have a surplus of guards and small forwards, and a Gasol-Horford duo would be a solid front court. I just don't know how smart it would be to give away too many picks/young talent to acquire a 32 year old. Otherwise, why didn't they just trade for Porzingis?

Rethinking it, I think they would have to give up two for of Bradley and Crowder to fit Gasol. Im not sure what he is making, but we do have to cut payroll. May even take Smart as well.

Man that would be a tough pill, giving 2 starters and a key role players. But a guy like Gasol could be invaluable on the court and in the locker room.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Btw, while Porzingis and Hernangomez are friends, they aren't a good pairing in the court, at least defensively. Porzingis is at his best, when used as a rim protector and Hernangomez is average at best at that, but even worse as a perimeter defender. I wouldn't deal him now, maybe at some point after Porzingis signs long term, but he's a back up at best with us, considering he can only play one position defensively and he's at best average at it

He may be someone you look to move if there is good value when you have another corner stone in hand

 

[Manwiththeplan]

He may be someone you look to move if there is good value when you have another corner stone in hand

I agree, and ultimately Porzingis won't like it, but he'll end up holding Hernangomez back.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I agree, and ultimately Porzingis won't like it, but he'll end up holding Hernangomez back.

Its part of the business. He will like winning more then having his friend on his team

 

[darthseinfeld]

Some speculation that Hayward is going to be a sign and trade with possibly Smart going to Utah.

Not a big fan of that. Even in a buyers market, Smart, Bradley or Crowder can get at least some return.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Dubs signed Swaggy P to a one-year deal; they could be even deeper than they were last season. Fingers-crossed they don't resign Pachulia whom has no business on an NBA court.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Rethinking it, I think they would have to give up two for of Bradley and Crowder to fit Gasol. Im not sure what he is making, but we do have to cut payroll. May even take Smart as well.

Man that would be a tough pill, giving 2 starters and a key role players. But a guy like Gasol could be invaluable on the court and in the locker room.

I was reading they may have to get a team to take 1 or 2 of Smart/Bradley/Crowder off their hands for nothing just to free up the cap space for Hayward. That's not including who they'll have to give up to be able to fit Gasol too. It would be an interesting move to trade for Gasol though. He helps them in the short-term, but Crowder/Smart/Bradley also probably help more in the short-term over Brown/Tatum. If they give up those guys to get Gasol, they might have to rely too much on young guys this season. All in all, Celtics have a lot of talent and they seem to be smart about handling it.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I was reading they may have to get a team to take 1 or 2 of Smart/Bradley/Crowder off their hands for nothing just to free up the cap space for Hayward. That's not including who they'll have to give up to be able to fit Gasol too. It would be an interesting move to trade for Gasol though. He helps them in the short-term, but Crowder/Smart/Bradley also probably help more in the short-term over Brown/Tatum. If they give up those guys to get Gasol, they might have to rely too much on young guys this season. All in all, Celtics have a lot of talent and they seem to be smart about handling it.

Im wondering if the Gasol talk is just alot of smoke. " Grizzlies may look to trade, maybe the Celtics are interested? " kind of stuff.

One of the thing the Celtics now that alot of people miss out on when they want them to sell the farm for short run with guys like Butler and George. The Celtics are actually still rebuilding. They arent supposed to be a 50 now. There true core is Brown, Tatum and whomever they draft next year.

Reality for them right now is that they are a pretender. Even with Gordon. We saw that in the ECF. They are the beneficiary of a very week conference. However, where that could prove pivotal is that there young core is going to ( likely) going on deep playoff runs and learning from the day they begin their NBA career how to prepare for playoff basketball. Something that is very rare for top 5 picks

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Im wondering if the Gasol talk is just alot of smoke. " Grizzlies may look to trade, maybe the Celtics are interested? " kind of stuff.

One of the thing the Celtics now that alot of people miss out on when they want them to sell the farm for short run with guys like Butler and George. The Celtics are actually still rebuilding. They arent supposed to be a 50 now. There true core is Brown, Tatum and whomever they draft next year.

Reality for them right now is that they are a pretender. Even with Gordon. We saw that in the ECF. They are the beneficiary of a very week conference. However, where that could prove pivotal is that there young core is going to ( likely) going on deep playoff runs and learning from the day they begin their NBA career how to prepare for playoff basketball. Something that is very rare for top 5 picks

Yeah that's why they're in such an interesting predicament. Their future is definitely Brown, Tatum and whoever they draft next year. But they also have vets like Thomas, Gordon, Horford, Bradley, Crowder and Smart who make them a good team now. They're also deep all across the board except for center. I don't watch the Celtics enough to know if Gasol is their missing piece or not, but it definitely makes sense from a roster perspective. Since they're so loaded at SF/SG/PG, they might be able to afford to lose some of them to acquire Gasol, but then the young guys would have to step up to fill the void.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Dubs signed Swaggy P to a one-year deal; they could be even deeper than they were last season. Fingers-crossed they don't resign Pachulia whom has no business on an NBA court.

Dont give a **** who he plays for Im still gonna gonna be clowing Young. Its just too damn fun

 

[darthseinfeld]

Yeah that's why they're in such an interesting predicament. Their future is definitely Brown, Tatum and whoever they draft next year. But they also have vets like Thomas, Gordon, Horford, Bradley, Crowder and Smart who make them a good team now. They're also deep all across the board except for center. I don't watch the Celtics enough to know if Gasol is their missing piece or not, but it definitely makes sense from a roster perspective. Since they're so loaded at SF/SG/PG, they might be able to afford to lose some of them to acquire Gasol, but then the young guys would have to step up to fill the void.

I think you could get away with the trifecta of for Gasol if you have alot of faith in Browns ability to D on the perimeter. His defensive game was more advanced then his offense so that may be workable. Its also possible you may be able to make financials add up subbing Smart with Rozier. That would be optimal. I would even add another pick. That wouldnt be a terrible haul. One of the best contracts in the NBA, and expiring deal in Bradley, a decent 3rd guard prospect and 2 firsts for Gasol