NBA Off-season Moves (starting with my Mavs)

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“DeMarcus would not be unhappy if he got moved to the Lakers,” said a league source familiar with Cousins’ thinking.
http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2015/06/24/demarcus-cousins-open-about-going-to-the-
lakers/


hmmm... Lakers seem to be a desired destination @ABQCOWBOY .... these may not happen, but the fact they are considered, along with Jimmy Butlers admitted curiosity says a lot...

As the despised Jerry Karuse said "Players and coaches alone don't win championships, organizations win championships."


As a sixers fan.... I hope all of this fails of course..:D
 

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“DeMarcus would not be unhappy if he got moved to the Lakers,” said a league source familiar with Cousins’ thinking.
http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2015/06/24/demarcus-cousins-open-about-going-to-the-
lakers/


hmmm... Lakers seem to be a desired destination @ABQCOWBOY .... these may not happen, but the fact they are considered, along with Jimmy Butlers admitted curiosity says a lot...

As the despised Jerry Karuse said "Players and coaches alone don't win championships, organizations win championships."


As a sixers fan.... I hope all of this fails of course..:D



I gotta tell you Ron, I love that you are, at least, consistent.

Draft tonight. I hope the Lakers don't trade the #2 and a young player for Cousins. I just don't like the guy. He's a talented player but I don't like him. I think I would rather have Oak or Russell. JMO
 

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I gotta tell you Ron, I love that you are, at least, consistent.

Draft tonight. I hope the Lakers don't trade the #2 and a young player for Cousins. I just don't like the guy. He's a talented player but I don't like him. I think I would rather have Oak or Russell. JMO

Really? I feel somewhat opposite about Dcus, I kinda like his insanity, lol...... Cus will rise to the occasion of the people around him, he hates losing, and will not be at his best if the players around him aren't able to set the temperature. The best example I have of this is the world championships/world cup of basketball last year when he was surrounded by excellent talent, motivators, and simply destroyed the competition. If the lakers can surround him with talent, lets say Aldridge, or/& Butler, or/& Wade (I know he's not the same player), along with kobe who sees one more shot with this kind of talent, Cus will be okay, and the Lakers will be better for it imho of course.

I'd rather a passionate player than a passive player, especially when you're talking 25, & 12....

But hope this all disappears, the Lakers draft Okafor, and the sixers land a top 10 pick next year, curtesy of LA!
 

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Really? I feel somewhat opposite about Dcus, I kinda like his insanity, lol...... Cus will rise to the occasion of the people around him, he hates losing, and will not be at his best if the players around him aren't able to set the temperature. The best example I have of this is the world championships/world cup of basketball last year when he was surrounded by excellent talent, motivators, and simply destroyed the competition. If the lakers can surround him with talent, lets say Aldridge, or/& Butler, or/& Wade (I know he's not the same player), along with kobe who sees one more shot with this kind of talent, Cus will be okay, and the Lakers will be better for it imho of course.

I'd rather a passionate player than a passive player, especially when you're talking 25, & 12....

But hope this all disappears, the Lakers draft Okafor, and the sixers land a top 10 pick next year, curtesy of LA!

Nice plan but I gotta wonder, are the Sixers ever going to actually decide to win and not just tank for high picks? I mean, it's now for the Sixers Ron. JMO
 

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Nice plan but I gotta wonder, are the Sixers ever going to actually decide to win and not just tank for high picks? I mean, it's now for the Sixers Ron. JMO

I do think there is a bit more pressure on Hinke as we speak. His plan of having Noel, Embiid, & MCW backfired... and now he may only have Noel this year (although I do think Embiid will play sooner than later). He has to get someone that can help fill the seats, and I think Russell or Mudiay fills that bill. They offer hope. He needs a few gambles to pay off, McCray, whom they drafted from Tennessee last year and sent to Australia, where he lit it up. Pierre Jackson, who they traded for, but he tore his achilles after a promising start to summer league, is back. He need Saric to keep his promise and come over next year, instead of waiting on the collective bargaining agreement.

As you can see, thats a lot that has to fall into place. I think he learned a lesson this year with "protected" picks. They will trade into the back end of the first tonight, and I wouldn't be surprised to see one of those future first get traded this year for something tangible, like a young player.

I like his concept of getting a "star" player, what I don't like is his concept of redshirting so much talent. Neither of the first round picks from last year played this season, and may not play next season........ And young guys like Will Barton, Terrence Jones, Shabazz Muhammad, Kevin Saphrin, who aren't stars, but can help, need a home. I would like to see him start to look in those directions.

He's really putting himself in a hole the way he treats players like they are strictly "assets". Agents are getting frustrated, and at some point the Sixers will have to get rid of him because he doesn't understand the "smile, & handshake" part of business.
 

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I do think there is a bit more pressure on Hinke as we speak. His plan of having Noel, Embiid, & MCW backfired... and now he may only have Noel this year (although I do think Embiid will play sooner than later). He has to get someone that can help fill the seats, and I think Russell or Mudiay fills that bill. They offer hope. He needs a few gambles to pay off, McCray, whom they drafted from Tennessee last year and sent to Australia, where he lit it up. Pierre Jackson, who they traded for, but he tore his achilles after a promising start to summer league, is back. He need Saric to keep his promise and come over next year, instead of waiting on the collective bargaining agreement.

As you can see, thats a lot that has to fall into place. I think he learned a lesson this year with "protected" picks. They will trade into the back end of the first tonight, and I wouldn't be surprised to see one of those future first get traded this year for something tangible, like a young player.

I like his concept of getting a "star" player, what I don't like is his concept of redshirting so much talent. Neither of the first round picks from last year played this season, and may not play next season........ And young guys like Will Barton, Terrence Jones, Shabazz Muhammad, Kevin Saphrin, who aren't stars, but can help, need a home. I would like to see him start to look in those directions.

He's really putting himself in a hole the way he treats players like they are strictly "assets". Agents are getting frustrated, and at some point the Sixers will have to get rid of him because he doesn't understand the "smile, & handshake" part of business.

Well, Lakers do have a late 1st round pick so maybe you can just send them back that top 10 pick for next year and everybody can go to bed happy in the knowledge that all parties got what they want?

;-)
 

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I want Knicks to draft Porzingis. I know it is a risk but what if he turns into a decent player. Upside is tremendous. I would take the risk. But I think Phil will trade the pick for some veterans. We shall see.
 

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I want Knicks to draft Porzingis. I know it is a risk but what if he turns into a decent player. Upside is tremendous. I would take the risk. But I think Phil will trade the pick for some veterans. We shall see.

I think if Russell or Okafor falls, they will keep the pick. I like the trade that was rumored on the table... bledsoe, & 13? for 4. Thats the kind of trade the Knicks need. They need some guys that can put the ball in the hoop, and be creative with the ball. BTW, I think Greg Monroe is a slam dunk to be a knick....... and if they wanted him, Tobais Harris would go there (home) as well.
 

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I think if Russell or Okafor falls, they will keep the pick. I like the trade that was rumored on the table... bledsoe, & 13? for 4. Thats the kind of trade the Knicks need. They need some guys that can put the ball in the hoop, and be creative with the ball. BTW, I think Greg Monroe is a slam dunk to be a knick....... and if they wanted him, Tobais Harris would go there (home) as well.

Okafor will not fall imho. Russell might and if Russell falls, I am sure he is the pick. I am open to a trade that makes sense but not sure if I want Bledsoe over a pick like Porzingis.
 

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I want Knicks to draft Porzingis. I know it is a risk but what if he turns into a decent player. Upside is tremendous. I would take the risk. But I think Phil will trade the pick for some veterans. We shall see.

If the idea is that the NBA has changed so much and the traditional post players are no longer applicable, then you can actually make the case that Porzingis might be more valuable the Towns. He's a much, much better offensive player. He does not have the body of Towns and he's not as good defensively but if you value Offense and passing more so, then he's actually the better prospect. I don't necessarily agree with this. I think that there is still a lot of room in the game for dominating post players but if you believe that mobility is the key in todays NBA, then I can see where a case can be made for Porzingis for sure.

Question is, will Phil Jackson pull the trigger on a Euro guy? Historically, he's not one who really loves European players from what I've heard.
 

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off the ball movement is stagnant among many teams in the NBA.

it is really ball movement that is the bigger issue. players want to take first decent look instead of getting a good or great look.

i am not a big fan of motion offenses and moving just to be moving player movement systems.
i like proper consistent floor spacing and ball movement. -players need to watch the ball and move with it, not turn their head "running through".
all player movement done with a purpose (to screen, to get to space, to score)
there's a lot of coaching rhetoric out with teams running motion in youth teams and largely those teams can't really score except off a couple set plays.
fwiw most of the guys who started that rhetoric have switched over to read and react offensive systems.

i coach basically duke's counter and attack system. 1-3-1, 2-1-2, 4-1, 1-4 offenses depending upon defensive scheme.
it is simple and requires just a bit of bball IQ.
you pay attention to the defensive alignment then go.

only set plays are inbounds(front, mid and back court options) everything else is just off the sets.
tho i am thinking of adding a couple set plays for when i sub in back ups but need to keep scoring.
 

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If the idea is that the NBA has changed so much and the traditional post players are no longer applicable, then you can actually make the case that Porzingis might be more valuable the Towns. He's a much, much better offensive player. He does not have the body of Towns and he's not as good defensively but if you value Offense and passing more so, then he's actually the better prospect. I don't necessarily agree with this. I think that there is still a lot of room in the game for dominating post players but if you believe that mobility is the key in todays NBA, then I can see where a case can be made for Porzingis for sure.

I don't know about that.. I think Towns offensive skill is underrated. I remember watching him in high school and AAU, the guy would shoot threes and work from the top of the key. Coach Cal put him in the post to develop that part of his game... so I don't know about Porzingis being a much better offensive player.. that's the narrative.. but it may not be true.
 

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I don't know about that.. I think Towns offensive skill is underrated. I remember watching him in high school and AAU, the guy would shoot threes and work from the top of the key. Coach Cal put him in the post to develop that part of his game... so I don't know about Porzingis being a much better offensive player.. that's the narrative.. but it may not be true.

I think it's true. Porzingis is the better offensive player of the two, at this point in each of their respective developments. We will soon see how it plays out.
 

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I think it's true. Porzingis is the better offensive player of the two, at this point in each of their respective developments. We will soon see how it plays out.

Maybe, but much better? the few workout and game tapes that I saw off him does not make me think he is far superior. He played more on the perimeter than KAT for his team.... but again, up until this year, that's where I saw KAT play predominantly.
 

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If the idea is that the NBA has changed so much and the traditional post players are no longer applicable, then you can actually make the case that Porzingis might be more valuable the Towns. He's a much, much better offensive player. He does not have the body of Towns and he's not as good defensively but if you value Offense and passing more so, then he's actually the better prospect. I don't necessarily agree with this. I think that there is still a lot of room in the game for dominating post players but if you believe that mobility is the key in todays NBA, then I can see where a case can be made for Porzingis for sure.

Question is, will Phil Jackson pull the trigger on a Euro guy? Historically, he's not one who really loves European players from what I've heard.

Okafor, maybe, not Towns.

Towns is a better athlete than the Porz by far. He isn't as good a shooter right now but he has plenty of overall skill and a ton more athleticism. Towns can handle the ball and stretch the floor. He's a better outside shooter than ADavis was at this point.

Okafor is insanely skilled but struggles to move and can't stretch defenses. Towns is BY FAR the best prospect in this draft.
Mudiay is the 2nd best RAW prospect.
Mudiay simply has a ton of skill work to continue to do. He has some Marcus Smart to his game tho where he is big enough and strong enough to guard basically any wings and his power allows him to be effective on offense without standing around a 3 point line.
Russell could well by ROY and he has a sweet offensive game but he is really slight and that can be scary.
It's a big part of why Curry fell a bit in his class.
 

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Maybe, but much better? the few workout and game tapes that I saw off him does not make me think he is far superior. He played more on the perimeter than KAT for his team.... but again, up until this year, that's where I saw KAT play predominantly.

Porz is a stretch 4 that won;t be able to defend a lick.
KAT is a new school 5 that mirrors Anthony Davis imho.
 

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it is really ball movement that is the bigger issue. players want to take first decent look instead of getting a good or great look.

i am not a big fan of motion offenses and moving just to be moving player movement systems.
i like proper consistent floor spacing and ball movement. -players need to watch the ball and move with it, not turn their head "running through".
all player movement done with a purpose (to screen, to get to space, to score)
there's a lot of coaching rhetoric out with teams running motion in youth teams and largely those teams can't really score except off a couple set plays.
fwiw most of the guys who started that rhetoric have switched over to read and react offensive systems.

i coach basically duke's counter and attack system. 1-3-1, 2-1-2, 4-1, 1-4 offenses depending upon defensive scheme.
it is simple and requires just a bit of bball IQ.
you pay attention to the defensive alignment then go.

only set plays are inbounds(front, mid and back court options) everything else is just off the sets.
tho i am thinking of adding a couple set plays for when i sub in back ups but need to keep scoring.

I think all movement, be it ball movement, players moving off the ball, screeners... all create for a more fluid offense, and overall beautiful basketball.
It keeps the defense on its toes, and it's bound to get the defense out of position, if you are precise, and patient.
the lack of passing and off the ball movement makes me wonder how players like Rip, & Reggie would be used in todays NBA by most teams.
Not questioning if they would be good, but how they would be used.
 

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Maybe, but much better? the few workout and game tapes that I saw off him does not make me think he is far superior. He played more on the perimeter than KAT for his team.... but again, up until this year, that's where I saw KAT play predominantly.

Agree completely.
Porz is dribbling and handling the ball versus grown, large men in Pro Euro leagues mostly. Those guys are pretty slow and hardly known as defensive wizards.

KAT was playing with insanely quick American guards in AAU and college.
So he may not have handled it as much but when he did it proved he was very capable.
 

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I think all movement, be it ball movement, players moving off the ball, screeners... all create for a more fluid offense, and overall beautiful basketball.
It keeps the defense on its toes, and it's bound to get the defense out of position, if you are precise, and patient.
the lack of passing and off the ball movement makes me wonder how players like Rip, & Reggie would be used in todays NBA by most teams.
Not questioning if they would be good, but how they would be used.

i agree.
i think we are 99% in agreement.

the desire to go to motion offense is based upon what you mention but i think we are seeing far too much wasted player movement.
players are being taught to move, but not why or how to move. so my concern is something i developed over time.

players cutting through, coming off screens and making L. V or other cuts need to know why and when.
players do struggle to get open. partly because they don't like to work, but also because they lack bball IQ.
rip and reggie have insanely high bball IQs which had a lot to do with them getting open.
neither was a jump out of the gym iso guy.
 
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