NBC: Darren McFadden feels like a rookie again

[LatinMind]

Not really worried about DMC's speed in the open field. I would like to see him prove he can get into that open field running behind a ZBS, though. From there, stay healthy while doing it.

I dont get why people put so much emphasis on the scheme dallas uses with mcfadden, Dallas uses a ZBS but they want their RBs going north and south rather than stretching plays out. They expect their OL to open the hole and maintain it. Rather than reacting to the defense. This OL is awsome and mcfadden will reap the rewards of running behind something so great once in his career.

 

[DandyDon52]

I laugh when people base his lack of production to him bust but totally ignore the fact that he was raider. Comparing the raiders OL to the Cowboys is like comparing Weeden to Romo or Street to Dez. I dont know if he will match what Murray did, but i will put my money on this team matching that production with McFadden and Randle together.

because the other raider RB's had the same line and did much better lol.
But I think he did not really care at oakland, he was just there for the paycheck.
could be different here.

 

[LatinMind]

because the other raider RB's had the same line and did much better lol.
But I think he did not really care at oakland, he was just there for the paycheck.
could be different here.

Did you know he led oakland in rushing? 6th in receiving and 2nd in tds? who are these rbs who were better?

only other rb had any kind of season and that was latavious murray and that was 1 game vs kc, and that was a crazy ending game. murray had 4 carries for 112 and 2 tds. he didnt score another td in any game last yr. The OL was horrible.

Im wondering if you saw anything involving the raiders last yr or just trying to be clever with the post because u dont like mcfadden?

 

[Stash]

I laugh when people base his lack of production to him bust but totally ignore the fact that he was raider. Comparing the raiders OL to the Cowboys is like comparing Weeden to Romo or Street to Dez. I dont know if he will match what Murray did, but i will put my money on this team matching that production with McFadden and Randle together.

I laugh when people only look at Youtube highlight reels and try to erase 7 years of proven futility.

 

[LatinMind]

I laugh when people only look at Youtube highlight reels and try to erase 7 years of proven futility.

on the west coast we are forced to watch raiders football. have you watched him play? Im not saying hes murray but nowhere ear the joke the gms on this forum are making his signing out to be. Ill side with mcclay on this signing over anybody on this forum. His track record is better

 

[Stash]

on the west coast we are forced to watch raiders football. have you watched him play?

I have. My brother is a Raiders fan and we've both got the Sunday Ticket. His lack of production speaks for itself, and the 'well it's the Raiders' excuse falls apart when other running backs are outperforming him.

Im not saying hes murray but nowhere ear the joke the gms on this forum are making his signing out to be.

I'll agree he's not Murray. And I'm not seeing anyone calling him a 'joke', but rather pointing to what he has and hasn't accomplished thus far in his career. He's got to 'show me' before I have any faith in him. After 7 years, benefit of the doubt has long since left town.

Ill side with mcclay on this signing over anybody on this forum. His track record is better

I don't have blind faith in anyone to be beyond reproach or making mistakes. Nobody is infallible. I hope it works out with him, I'm just not counting on it. And I hope the team isn't either, because his track record in both production and health shows that they shouldn't.

 

[Bullflop]

I'm just hoping he's as happy 6 months from now as he is right now . . . that might help.

 

[LatinMind]

I have. My brother is a Raiders fan and we've both got the Sunday Ticket. His lack of production speaks for itself, and the 'well it's the Raiders' excuse falls apart when other running backs are outperforming him.



I'll agree he's not Murray. And I'm not seeing anyone calling him a 'joke', but rather pointing to what he has and hasn't accomplished thus far in his career. He's got to 'show me' before I have any faith in him. After 7 years, benefit of the doubt has long since left town.



I don't have blind faith in anyone to be beyond reproach or making mistakes. Nobody is infallible. I hope it works out with him, I'm just not counting on it. And I hope the team isn't either, because his track record in both production and health shows that they shouldn't.

has he ran behind a OL like dallas? i dont think there isnt a rb in the nfl that didnt wish they were running behind this ol

 

[Stash]

has he ran behind a OL like dallas? i dont think there isnt a rb in the nfl that didnt wish they were running behind this ol

No doubt about that.

That's where most of my faith comes from.

 

[gimmesix]

Have you and @Risen Star been feeling up on the player's thighs again, gimme?

Well, I heard Risen had the opportunity to do that with the defensive backs, but he turned it down because he doesn't believe they're necessary.

 

[xwalker]

because the other raider RB's had the same line and did much better lol.
But I think he did not really care at oakland, he was just there for the paycheck.
could be different here.

Not really.
1. Small sample sizes make backups look good. Joseph Randle has a 6.7 ypc compared to Murray with a 4.7 ypc.

2. When Latavius Murray started the final 3 games of the 2014 season, he has a 4.0 ypc while McFadden as the backup in those games had a 5.33 ypc.

 

[KDM256]

Count me in the "McFadden RB1" group as well. If this guy can stay healthy this year (which I think he will), watch out for the "Wooooooo Pig Cowboys" chants growing each week because I believe we're going to hear that a lot of that this season. Just the way Jerry wanted it all along when Felix Jones was in town..


Coming from a Tide fan I don't mind at all because McFadden has made me respect his game way before he put on a NFL jersey.

 

[xwalker]

I laugh when people only look at Youtube highlight reels and try to erase 7 years of proven futility.

Some people watch the All-22 coaches film, not "youtube" highlights.

McFadden has yet to run behind a quality OLine and have a significant passing threat to keep defenses from stacking the line against the run. They Raiders had 1 good year passing IIRC, but they didn't have a good run blocking OLIne to go with it.

There is no proof that McFadden will be good, but there is also no proof that he was the problem in Oakland. It's impossible to completely separate him from the OLine and lack of a passing threat.

 

[xwalker]

I have. My brother is a Raiders fan and we've both got the Sunday Ticket. His lack of production speaks for itself, and the 'well it's the Raiders' excuse falls apart when other running backs are outperforming him.

They really didn't "outperform" him unless you also consider Randle as outperforming Murray in 2014.

The small sample sizes and ramifications of being a backup cause many backup RBs ypc to look better than it would be if they were starters.

Randle 6.7 vs Murray 4.7 in 2014.

Latavius Murray started the final 3 games of 2014 and had a 4.0 ypc. McFadden as the backup in those games had a 5.33 ypc.

 

[Stash]

Some people watch the All-22 coaches film, not "youtube" highlights.

And here we go again...

McFadden has yet to run behind a quality OLine and have a significant passing threat to keep defenses from stacking the line against the run. They Raiders had 1 good year passing IIRC, but they didn't have a good run blocking OLIne to go with it.

If every Raiders running back struggled, the argument has merit, but that wasn't the case. And supporting numbers are available to anyone who cares to look.

There is no proof that McFadden will be good, but there is also no proof that he was the problem in Oakland. It's impossible to completely separate him from the OLine and lack of a passing threat.

No argument there. And conversely, it is impossible to absolve him of any blame for his underwhelming career thus far either.

And his poor history of injury also cannot be ignored or blamed on his supporting cast. That's another factor working against him and a stigma he needs to overcome. And based on time missed so far with the Cowboys, he's done little to dispel the injury prone label.

We all hope he does well as it will benefit him, the team, and us fans. But based on the facts of what he has done at the NFL level, plenty of us are not giving him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Stash]

They really didn't "outperform" him unless you also consider Randle as outperforming Murray in 2014.

The small sample sizes and ramifications of being a backup cause many backup RBs ypc to look better than it would be if they were starters.

Randle 6.7 vs Murray 4.7 in 2014.

Latavius Murray started the final 3 games of 2014 and had a 4.0 ypc. McFadden as the backup in those games had a 5.33 ypc.

We can take a look at Rashad Jennings clearly outperforming him in 2013 to blow your theory out of the water if you'd like?

The excuse doesn't hold water.

 

[xwalker]

We can take a look at Rashad Jennings clearly outperforming him in 2013 to blow your theory out of the water if you'd like?

The excuse doesn't hold water.

If you look only at games started:
2013 Rashad Jennings 3.8 ypc

2013 Darren McFadden 3.6 ypc

That is a minimal difference.

 

[Stash]

If you look only at games started:
2013 Rashad Jennings 3.8 ypc

2013 Darren McFadden 3.6 ypc

That is a minimal difference.

I prefer to look at the entire body of work rather than being selective in trying to support my point.

2013 Rashad Jennings 163 carries for 733 yards for an average of 4.5 yards per carry.

2013 Darren McFadden 114 carries for 379 yards for an average of 3.3 yards per carry.

It shoots any case for blame on the supporting cast completely out of the water.

Two running backs on the same team with the same supporting cast putting up vastly different numbers.

And McFadden was his usual injured self as well.

 

[xwalker]

I prefer to look at the entire body of work rather than being selective in trying to support my point.

It has been well documented that ypc for backups is a meaningless stat.

As starters in 2013:
Jennings 3.8 ypc
McFadden 3.6 ypc

 

[Stash]

It has been well documented that ypc for backups is a meaningless stat.

By you maybe, in your attempts to make excuses for your pet cat McFadden.

As starters in 2013:

Jennings 3.8 ypc
McFadden 3.6 ypc

The fact is that this is what both players accomplished in 2013 playing with the same team:

2013 Rashad Jennings 163 carries for 733 yards for an average of 4.5 yards per carry.

2013 Darren McFadden 114 carries for 379 yards for an average of 3.3 yards per carry.

Jennings had plenty of carries and opportunities to support his numbers being accurate. The 'starter vs. backup' hokum you keep trying to perpetuate is embarrassing.