NBC: Stephen Jones denies that Dez Bryant threatened to miss time **merged**

Status
Not open for further replies.

dfan32

Active Member
Messages
490
Reaction score
111
Sitting out once the season starts won't get Dez any more money. It will only create more bad blood. It's bad advice like you said.

I realize that. What I am saying is that the agent would most likely be telling Dez the threats are empty. I can't see Dez sitting out, and I can't see the agent telling him to sit out once the deadline passes. Every time Dez misses a game check, he loses and so does the agent. To sit out one game would be fruitless, and to sit out the whole season...? If Dez is indeed broke, as was suggested earlier, and all agents are basically greedy, is he going to advise his client to sit out and cost himself money? Is he going to support the broke Dez during the hold out? I don't think so.
 

GimmeTheBall!

Junior College Transfer
Messages
37,707
Reaction score
18,049
3/4 of our offense from last year would be gone without Dez, and Murray gone... What happens of Williams go's down? Your a funny man...

You should off axed that question before we let Murray walk so we could devote more monies to Dez. Ga ahead and moon about Dez but at some point the franchise need to stop bowing to one player so much and prepare for the season.
Tony, you thow to Will and Witten, Besley and Escobar all preseason and then maybe this all-universe WR will want to make his mark and contribute too.
 

Nightman

Capologist
Messages
27,121
Reaction score
24,038
I realize that. What I am saying is that the agent would most likely be telling Dez the threats are empty. I can't see Dez sitting out, and I can't see the agent telling him to sit out once the deadline passes. Every time Dez misses a game check, he loses and so does the agent. To sit out one game would be fruitless, and to sit out the whole season...? If Dez is indeed broke, as was suggested earlier, and all agents are basically greedy, is he going to advise his client to sit out and cost himself money? Is he going to support the broke Dez during the hold out? I don't think so.

They obviously think the threat of missing games 10 weeks from now will help them get more money in the next 2 days.

To me it is a desperation play when one is not needed. Just sign a fair deal like Romo and TSmith did and get it over with.
 

Kevinicus

Well-Known Member
Messages
19,886
Reaction score
12,670
Really??? Brady could finish up the best that has ever played. C'mon, I'm a homer too, but that's too far.

I give far less value on SB's when evaluating QBs than many. All things being equal, I want Romo behind center on my team.
 

Nightman

Capologist
Messages
27,121
Reaction score
24,038
The time to holdout was last year.

He was only earning 2m a year so the game fines would have been a lot less.

If he didn't get the huge payday he could have at least negotiated the franchise tag away.

I know he fired Eugene Parker but he isn't getting the best advice.

His best move is actually playing the next 2 years under the tag AND THEN becoming an UFA at 28 years old. That would mean 28m for the next 2 years plus another 20m+ in guarantees in 2017.

If he is so worried about an injury between now and when he would sign the franchise tag in March 2016 then buy 10m in insurance for 100k. That money is tax free.
 

coult44

Well-Known Member
Messages
7,885
Reaction score
7,657
We'll soon see if the Cowboys are setting Dez up as an example of their newly established contractual policy.
Right now, they seem quite set on doing just that. As far as the precedent is concerned, it would surely appear to the players that if they're willing to stand pat with Dez, then they'd likely do the same with any of the others. Just conjecture at this point but the next two days might very well indicate the longterm intentions of the FO.

It would hurt in the long run to have a set way of doing things. Eventually loyalty has to become part of the equation. If not, players start noticing that there isn't a reason to become part of something great and lasting.
 

Bullflop

Cowboys Diehard
Messages
25,732
Reaction score
30,922
CowboysZone LOYAL Fan
It would hurt in the long run to have a set way of doing things. Eventually loyalty has to become part of the equation. If not, players start noticing that there isn't a reason to become part of something great and lasting.

Just because the FO feels a need to take care of their financial business as they see fit doesn't necessarily mean they're being unjust or unfair to the players. In the same respect, I don't think it necessarily renders them unfit nor unenjoyable to work for, either. If the players can't respect the desire of a business to operate efficiently in a manner to avoid cap problems, it seems to me that maybe they're simply not being realistic.

No team has been more loyal to their players than the Cowboys' organization throughout the years. They've been that way so much so that they've overdone it by keeping players around well past their usefulness and have overpaid them in the process. It just reached a point where something had to change. That's where we are now.
 

DallasDW00ds0n

Well-Known Member
Messages
11,180
Reaction score
11,634
So Dez has more leverage than people think. He could destroy our season by just sitting out
 

Clarkson

Wonderboyromo
Messages
2,677
Reaction score
1,599
The time to holdout was last year.

He was only earning 2m a year so the game fines would have been a lot less.

If he didn't get the huge payday he could have at least negotiated the franchise tag away.

I know he fired Eugene Parker but he isn't getting the best advice.

His best move is actually playing the next 2 years under the tag AND THEN becoming an UFA at 28 years old. That would mean 28m for the next 2 years plus another 20m+ in guarantees in 2017.

If he is so worried about an injury between now and when he would sign the franchise tag in March 2016 then buy 10m in insurance for 100k. That money is tax free.

How is that better for him?
LT guaranteed money is what every single player wants. Risking injuries on 1-year deals is not in his best interest (though it is in the Cowboy's best interest).
 

NewsBot

New Member
Messages
111,281
Reaction score
2,947
Dez Bryant may be prepared to miss 10 weeks of game checks
Posted by Mike Florio on July 14, 2015, 7:40 AM EDT
dez3.jpg
Getty Images

Before Monday, few inside or outside the Cowboys organization believed that receiver Dez Bryant would miss regular-season games, at more than $750,000 each under his franchise tender of $12.8 million for the year. We’d previously said that, if he’s going to miss games that count, he needs to say so. After Monday’s tweet from Bryant that he won’t show without a new deal, more people on the outside are starting to believe that he’ll give up game checks.

It’s still unclear whether Dez means he’ll simply skip training camp and the preseason (and still get his full $12.8 million) or whether he intends to miss regular-season games. If he’s willing to miss regular-season games, would he be willing to miss one or two just to prove his point, or would he miss as many as possible?

Under the Collective Bargaining Agreement, he can sign the franchise tender and return at any time up until the Tuesday after Week 10. After that, he is prohibited from playing for the Cowboys or anyone else in 2015.

If he shows up only for the last seven weeks of the season, Bryant would still make more than $5.25 million for the year, which is more by far than he made in any year under his five-year rookie deal. So while it’s easy to look at this on one hand as more than $750,000 that goes away every week forever, Bryant could regard at it as an opportunity to make more than twice as much as he earned in any one season to date for playing in fewer than half of the games.

It’s also an opportunity to send a very clear message, in advance of next year’s franchise-tag dance with the Cowboys. As of 2015, the Cowboys don’t believe Dez Bryant’s threat to miss regular-season games. As of 2016, they will — if he misses the full 10 weeks.

They’ll take him even more seriously if he misses more than 10 weeks.

Continue reading...
 
Last edited by a moderator:

FLcowboy

When Jerry, when?
Messages
4,061
Reaction score
260
i hope and pray Dez will find his way but also expect the show to go on just fine without him too ;)
I agree with you. If Dez thinks he is the most important player on the team, he is sadly mistaken. Dez isn't responsible for the financial well being of the franchise. Dez has the next two years to either play, or sit at home pouting. Jerry's offer I'm sure will take care of Dez's family for the rest of their lives
 

tyke1doe

Well-Known Member
Messages
54,319
Reaction score
32,721
It would hurt in the long run to have a set way of doing things. Eventually loyalty has to become part of the equation. If not, players start noticing that there isn't a reason to become part of something great and lasting.

Loyalty is why we kept Deion, Aikman and others well beyond their prime playing years.

If you have a great staff and excellent talent evaluators, then you're not locked into one specific player. Unless he's a franchise quarterback, you don't let players hold you hostage.
 

tyke1doe

Well-Known Member
Messages
54,319
Reaction score
32,721
By the way, so much for these "insiders" predicting three weeks ago that a Dez deal would be reached "soon." :rolleyes:
 

CCBoy

Well-Known Member
Messages
47,032
Reaction score
22,626
It's as simple as this...without Dez, the Cowboys don't win the NFC East.
 

erod

Well-Known Member
Messages
38,707
Reaction score
60,334
CowboysZone LOYAL Fan
Dez Bryant isn't as hamstrung by the franchise tag as we thought. There are two power plays he has at his disposal.

1. Like the Greg Hardy deal, Dez can insist on a clause to his franchise tender that makes him an unrestricted free agent in six months. That would eliminate the franchise tag for next year. He could sit out as many as 10 games this year before he would have to report, which would be a massive distraction to the team, and likely turn a promising season into a disaster.

2. Also, according to PFT, there is a clause that makes signing Dez much less punitive for teams next year. But he'd have to sit out the entire season.

"There’s also a kicker under Section 15(c), about which I either didn’t know or had forgotten. If Bryant sits out the full year and if the Cowboys tag him again in 2016, the compensation another team would owe the Cowboys from signing him to an unmatched offer sheet would drop from two first-round picks to a first-round pick and a third-round pick. Which would make other teams more inclined to consider signing him to an offer sheet in 2016."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-be-prepared-to-miss-10-weeks-of-game-checks/

I wasn't aware of any of this, and yes, this could change my thoughts quite a bit. Still, is a wide receiver worth 13 percent of a team's salary cap? I have a big issue with that.

I have no doubt a team will step up with a first and third for Dez, and that is intriguing to some degree. I want Dez here, but I also want a fiscally responsible franchise, which we're finally seeing around here. That bodes well for the future. Dallas could take its own first rounder, pair it with a second, and trade up for the next great receiver (or quarterback) in the draft next year. That has merit, too.

This is a fantastically interesting scenario, but a scary one, too.
 

Jenky

Well-Known Member
Messages
5,671
Reaction score
4,252
Dez Bryant isn't as hamstrung by the franchise tag as we thought. There are two power plays he has at his disposal.

1. Like the Greg Hardy deal, Dez can insist on a clause to his franchise tender that makes him an unrestricted free agent in six months. That would eliminate the franchise tag for next year. He could sit out as many as 10 games this year before he would have to report, which would be a massive distraction to the team, and likely turn a promising season into a disaster.

2. Also, according to PFT, there is a clause that makes signing Dez much less punitive for teams next year. But he'd have to sit out the entire season.

"There’s also a kicker under Section 15(c), about which I either didn’t know or had forgotten. If Bryant sits out the full year and if the Cowboys tag him again in 2016, the compensation another team would owe the Cowboys from signing him to an unmatched offer sheet would drop from two first-round picks to a first-round pick and a third-round pick. Which would make other teams more inclined to consider signing him to an offer sheet in 2016."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-be-prepared-to-miss-10-weeks-of-game-checks/

I wasn't aware of any of this, and yes, this could change my thoughts quite a bit. Still, is a wide receiver worth 13 percent of a team's salary cap? I have a big issue with that.

I have no doubt a team will step up with a first and third for Dez, and that is intriguing to some degree. I want Dez here, but I also want a fiscally responsible franchise, which we're finally seeing around here. That bodes well for the future. Dallas could take its own first rounder, pair it with a second, and trade up for the next great receiver (or quarterback) in the draft next year. That has merit, too.

This is a fantastically interesting scenario, but a scary one, too.

Erod, the best leverage he has is, he stays true to his word, sits out 10 games and and reminds upper management that they will probably lose without him and miss the playoffs.

Then next year maybe the front office takes him more seriously if he threatens to do the same thing, or let him walk/trade.

It only works if he is true to his word, which I hope he isn't.

All I know is, they supposedly chose Bryant over Murray and Bryant still isn't even signed yet.
 

Sydla

Well-Known Member
Messages
61,732
Reaction score
95,252
I don't think it changes anything frankly. He's already threatening to sit out. So I doubt him now making demands that he wants a guarantee to not be franchised next year is going to change the dynamics at all. He's dug in, the Cowboys have dug in. Him now demanding that they can;t franchise him in 2016 would simply be just adding another shark to a tank that already has a dozen sharks. It gives him no more leverage than he has right now. If anything, it probably further hurts his chances of getting a deal with the Cowboys.

And while the compensation goes down if he sits out the whole year (which given how he apparently wants that money would be odd), how many teams are going to line up to sign a guy who pulled the stunts he did for a first round pick PLUS a long term, big money contract? The whole reason Dallas won't pony up big money is because they still don't fully feel he's matured enough. Now he pulls this stunt which just confirms Dallas' fears and you think other teams will willingly sign on for that? I am not so sure.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top