NCAA Re-Alignment

[DFWJC]

Nebraska (Big Ten) and Colorado (Pac-10) are the 2 teams who bolted, Texas has been taking a wait and see how anyone wants to blame Texas is beyond me.

That is correct.
Some just want to blame them b/c they have a bit too much power in the Big 12.

 

[burmafrd]

Mack Brown has won one NC. And only an incredible performance by Vince Young won THAT game. With all the talent Texas has over the last 10 years to have made it to the NC game only once tells me that mack brown ain't all that as a coach.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

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I hope Vince Young doesn't see this image. We've just heard about how cranky he gets when somebody disrespects his Horns :laugh2: .

 

[peplaw06]

Mack Brown has won one NC. And only an incredible performance by Vince Young won THAT game. With all the talent Texas has over the last 10 years to have made it to the NC game only once tells me that mack brown ain't all that as a coach.

Did you major in fail?

 

[Doomsday101]

Mack Brown has won one NC. And only an incredible performance by Vince Young won THAT game. With all the talent Texas has over the last 10 years to have made it to the NC game only once tells me that mack brown ain't all that as a coach.

He brought his team to 2 NC almost pulled an upset using a QB who had little game experiance. Regardless of your view of Mac he has turned this Texas program around and had made them contenders. I love how you give the credit to players but none to the coach.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Did you major in fail?

Hey Pep, how's it going? I saw last night where it looks as if the ACC is going to pretty much stay intact. That's good news I think.

 

[Doomsday101]

Could TCU be on brink of joining Big 12?


With Colorado gone and Nebraska all but gone from the Big 12, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Baylor officials are meeting today in a last-ditch effort to save the Big 12. That still remains the top priority for the Texas schools, so they say.

The alternative is a migration to the Pac-10 for six teams -- Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado -- which would signal the destruction of the Big 12 and would leave Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and quite possibly Missouri -- which wants Big Ten membership, but might not get it -- in limbo.

For days now, Nebraska has been considered the Big 12 linchpin. If the Huskers leave, the conference dissolves. But does it have to dissolve if saving the league is really the No. 1 goal for Texas and the other Big 12 members? If only Nebraska leaves, what would be the quickest fix to replace one school?

TCU.

Obviously, Nebraska won't be the only Big 12 school on the move. Colorado officially accepted a bid to join the Pac-10 on Thursday. So the Big 12 could operate as a 10-team league or look to fill two spots.


TCU and who? A fellow Mountain West Conference team? Houston from Conference USA? The Big 12 already owns the Houston market. Adding another MWC team like BYU or Air Force would seem the only logical route -- assuming Arkansas has no plans to vacate the revenue pipeline that is the SEC. Of course, the Big 12 could look at this model and deem a move to the Pac-16 as being a vastly more lucrative option.

Back in January in California when TCU coach Gary Patterson accepted his Coach of the Year award from the Football Writers Association of America, he said the Frogs wouldn't hesitate to join the Big 12 if asked. He even joked that it would be all the better if they could hop right into the weaker North Division.

TCU athletics measure up in nearly every sport except men's basketball. Patterson's Frogs completed an undefeated regular season and played in the Fiesta Bowl. The baseball team begins the super-regional round Friday in Austin against the Longhorns, a rematch from last year, for a spot in the College World Series. The women's basketball team has played in multiple NCAA Tournaments. TCU's other Olympic sports are competitive.

TCU has poured money into building first-rate athletic facilities and plans are in motion to renovate Amon G. Carter Stadium.

However, some close to the TCU athletic department are skeptical that the Big 12 would extend an invitation to TCU in its hour of need. One source cited the fact that, like Houston, the Big 12 already owns the Dallas-Fort Worth market. Plus, Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech greatly enjoy the recruiting advantage they own with the Frogs in a lesser conference.

A Pac-16, with its massive reach, visibility and popularity would seemingly only accentuate that advantage.

But, say that Texas and friends opt to save a 10-team Big 12 without TCU. Would it pursue BYU and Air Force first? Those schools seem most logical because they at least secure Salt Lake City TVs, while Air Force, based in Colorado Springs, Colo., somewhat taps into the Denver market.

These are fast and crazy times.

Crazy is to think that the Baylor-TCU football game in September is now more likely to be rekindled as a conference matchup in the Mountain West and not the Big 12. Crazy

 

[DFWJC]

Baylor (and Iowa St) just hit a grand slam. They went from the brink of possible non-BCS to doubling (or even almost tripling) their TV revenue from about 7 million to 15-20 million)...all while keeping thier current rival and BCS standing. Talk about winning the lotto.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If I were the Big 12, I might not be in a great hurry to go after anybody except Utah. Utah will accept a bid from the Pac 10 if it is offered. If the Big 12 wants Utah, they would likely have to offer them soon. Otherwise, the Big 12 doesn't really need to be in that big a hurry. They basically have a year to evaluate programs.

Nebraska and Colorado, I believe, are in the Big 12 till the 2011-2012 season. That means that all is still intact for a year. If I were the Big 12, I would consider a couple of things. One, do I want to become a Super Conference? Do I want to look at the Pac 10 or the SEC or the Big 10 and try to lure teams.

If I were the Big 12, I would consider these teams:

Utah (MWC)
BYU (MWC)
TCU (MWC)
UofA (Pac 10)
Cincy (Big East)
IOWA (Big 10)
Houston (CUSA)
Arkansas (SEC)
LSU (SEC)
Notre Dame (Ind)

Any of these teams, IMO, has something to offer to the Big 12 conference.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

He brought his team to 2 NC almost pulled an upset using a QB who had little game experiance. Regardless of your view of Mac he has turned this Texas program around and had made them contenders. I love how you give the credit to players but none to the coach.

Don't blame him, he actually thinks Notre Dame is a good program and that the Army-Navy game is good football.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I assume the switch takes effect next season? If not, my Phil Steele's college football preview mag I just bought is useless.

 

[Doomsday101]

Don't blame him, he actually thinks Notre Dame is a good program and that the Army-Navy game is good football.

I know it will be hard from some to understand but I pull for ND. My Texas upbringing made me a Longhorns fan my Catholic upbrining made me pull for ND as well.

 

[DFWJC]

If I were the Big 12, I might not be in a great hurry to go after anybody except Utah. Utah will accept a bid from the Pac 10 if it is offered. If the Big 12 wants Utah, they would likely have to offer them soon. Otherwise, the Big 12 doesn't really need to be in that big a hurry. They basically have a year to evaluate programs.

Nebraska and Colorado, I believe, are in the Big 12 till the 2011-2012 season. That means that all is still intact for a year. If I were the Big 12, I would consider a couple of things. One, do I want to become a Super Conference? Do I want to look at the Pac 10 or the SEC or the Big 10 and try to lure teams.

If I were the Big 12, I would consider these teams:

Utah (MWC)
BYU (MWC)
TCU (MWC)
UofA (Pac 10)
Cincy (Big East)
IOWA (Big 10)
Houston (CUSA)
Arkansas (SEC)
LSU (SEC)
Notre Dame (Ind)

Any of these teams, IMO, has something to offer to the Big 12 conference.

Nice list.
I'll help you out...you can most certainly scratch LSU and Notre Dame and almost certainly scratch Iowa.

Fun stuff, nevertheless!

Utah is a wild card. Word has it that the Pac 10 made a contingent deal with Colorado and Utah to join them. The contengency was that Colorado join first and see if Texas, OU and other Big 12 schools would join in.
If not, Utah would be in.

But that is not proven fact obviously.

 

[jterrell]

If I were the Big 12, I might not be in a great hurry to go after anybody except Utah. Utah will accept a bid from the Pac 10 if it is offered. If the Big 12 wants Utah, they would likely have to offer them soon. Otherwise, the Big 12 doesn't really need to be in that big a hurry. They basically have a year to evaluate programs.

Nebraska and Colorado, I believe, are in the Big 12 till the 2011-2012 season. That means that all is still intact for a year. If I were the Big 12, I would consider a couple of things. One, do I want to become a Super Conference? Do I want to look at the Pac 10 or the SEC or the Big 10 and try to lure teams.

If I were the Big 12, I would consider these teams:

Utah (MWC)
BYU (MWC)
TCU (MWC)
UofA (Pac 10)
Cincy (Big East)
IOWA (Big 10)
Houston (CUSA)
Arkansas (SEC)
LSU (SEC)
Notre Dame (Ind)

Any of these teams, IMO, has something to offer to the Big 12 conference.

Who knows with this stuff....
I was sure nothing would happen then sure it would fall apart....

I do believe you are correct.
The Big 12 will take it's time, kindly divvying up the 20 mil it gets from the children of the Corn and laughingstock Colorado at 2 mil per school.

I think the league could form a super conference if it desired but it really looks best with no more than 12. An SEC super conference gets really wonky because what coach wants to play that murderers row of schools each Saturday.

I suspect the Big 12 will stay at 10 for a bit, play 9 league games and petition for and win a championship game saying they had signed contracts already and it isn't their fault the big 10 and pac-10 stole away the other schools.

As I mentioned when this was first discussed the Big 12 had negotiating clout, I just didn't expect they'd be able to use it already.

 

[jterrell]

Nice list.
I'll help you out...you can most certainly scratch LSU and Notre Dame and almost certainly scratch Iowa.

Fun stuff, nevertheless!

Utah is a wild card. Word has it that the Pac 10 made a contingent deal with Colorado and Utah to join them. The contengency was that Colorado join first and see if Texas, OU and other Big 12 schools would join in.
If not, Utah would be in.

But that is not proven fact obviously.

I'd be careful about saying scratch Notre Dame.

If they ever want to win again they need to recruit Texas like they were doing in the 80's and early 90's. The last successful coach there was straight out of Texas for that very reason. They can always recruit Midwest and East coast Catholic kids but Texas kids are where they are lacking.

I'd agree the Big 12 would have to agree to a sweetheart deal for them that was basically what they gave Texas. Under that deal Notre Dame could STILL have it's own network which net even more than the estimated 3-5 mil per for Texas.

LSU is a real long shot to be sure.

Possibilities imho:
Air Force --- Nice service academy without being too far away, replaces Colorado in same market.
Arkansas --- they suffer without Texas/OU ties for recruiting and rivalries.
Rice --- Academic school and football fodder for the Big 12 South in a 14 team alignment plus insanely easy travel.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Nice list.
I'll help you out...you can most certainly scratch LSU and Notre Dame and almost certainly scratch Iowa.

Fun stuff, nevertheless!

Utah is a wild card. Word has it that the Pac 10 made a contingent deal with Colorado and Utah to join them. The contengency was that Colorado join first and see if Texas, OU and other Big 12 schools would join in.
If not, Utah would be in.

But that is not proven fact obviously.

I don't believe LSU would come over but you never know. Iowa probably would not either but if you don't have that discussion, you never know.

ND is a different story all together. If nothing changes, then they won't go anywhere but if something forces their hand to make a change, the Big 12 is the best conference, from a dollars and cents point of view, out there IMO.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'd be careful about saying scratch Notre Dame.

If they ever want to win again they need to recruit Texas like they were doing in the 80's and early 90's. The last successful coach there was straight out of Texas for that very reason. They can always recruit Midwest and East coast Catholic kids but Texas kids are where they are lacking.

I'd agree the Big 12 would have to agree to a sweetheart deal for them that was basically what they gave Texas. Under that deal Notre Dame could STILL have it's own network which net even more than the estimated 3-5 mil per for Texas.

LSU is a real long shot to be sure.

Possibilities imho:
Air Force --- Nice service academy without being too far away, replaces Colorado in same market.
Arkansas --- they suffer without Texas/OU ties for recruiting and rivalries.
Rice --- Academic school and football fodder for the Big 12 South in a 14 team alignment plus insanely easy travel.

I agree with you on Notre Dame. Kinda been beating that same drum. How much do you think NBC might sweeten the pot if Notre Dame was playing in the Big 12 instead of the all catholic and armed forces league?

 

[jterrell]

I agree with you on Notre Dame. Kinda been beating that same drum. How much do you think NBC might sweeten the pot if Notre Dame was playing in the Big 12 instead of the all catholic and armed forces league?

I don't think NBC has made any money on the deal with Notre Dame at all. USC have been the only meaningful games and now those cats go on strict probation.

Notre Dame has long been linked to the big 10 but it already recruits that area very well. If it joined the Big 12 as a de facto Nebraska replacement it has to love it's schedule versus the North and it could probably argue to bring in air Force as it's partner. Then it could have Purdue/USC, Navy, Army as non-conf games.

How's that schedule look:

texas or tamu
tech or baylor
okstate or ou
kansas
kansas st
iowa st
air force
army
navy
purdue or usc

that guarantees at least one game per year in texas (possibly even in dallas at Cowboys Stadium). i could see tech agreeing to play at notre dame one year than in dallas the next. that is a lot of friggin revenue for the school in ticket sales.

 

[DFWJC]

Mack Brown has won one NC. And only an incredible performance by Vince Young won THAT game. With all the talent Texas has over the last 10 years to have made it to the NC game only once tells me that mack brown ain't all that as a coach.

Alot of schools and coaches could say the same then...including Pete Carroll and Bob Stoops with 1 BCS title each while recruiting at almost exaclty the same level as Texas (look it up).

I think you measure a college football coach in several ways...and the end result is often reflected in the won-loss record.

UT has played in 2 national championship games, by the way. I here what your saying though. If they had beaten Colorado in the Big 12 final, for example, they would have played in 3 and a good argument could be made that the year before last they should have been in ahead of OU seeing that gthey had tghe same record yet beat them. They've done fine I think

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't think NBC has made any money on the deal with Notre Dame at all. USC have been the only meaningful games and now those cats go on strict probation.

Notre Dame has long been linked to the big 10 but it already recruits that area very well. If it joined the Big 12 as a de facto Nebraska replacement it has to love it's schedule versus the North and it could probably argue to bring in air Force as it's partner. Then it could have Purdue/USC, Navy, Army as non-conf games.

How's that schedule look:

texas or tamu
tech or baylor
okstate or ou
kansas
kansas st
iowa st
air force
army
navy
purdue or usc

that guarantees at least one game per year in texas (possibly even in dallas at Cowboys Stadium). i could see tech agreeing to play at notre dame one year than in dallas the next. that is a lot of friggin revenue for the school in ticket sales.

Yep, it's almost a lock to represent the North in the Big 12 Championship game. The financial structure of the Big 12 easily make it the most desirable affiliation for ND IMO. No question.