NCAA rules Oklahoma must forfeit '05 season

[Dallas]

Buddy of mine at our Sooner board pretty much summed it up. My whole issue is not w/ the punishment of OU. It is with the blatant disregard to USC and the mess it's involved in w/ Bush. Troy Smith aside. Our boys did know what they were doing when manipulating the time clock and not going to work and getting paid to not be there. That was foolish and I am glad Stoops kicked them from the team.

Let's recap what we at Oklahoma have had to suffer through this past year, shall we?

1. We lose OUr starting QB and OT cause they're *******ed morons. But at least we self-report the infractions to the NCAA, thinking that the penalties will be less cause we took care of the issue ourselves (unlike USC with Reggie Bush), and took a harsher tone with the offenders (unlike Ohio State with Troy Smith).

2. We get the mother of all hose jobs in Eugene...let's not go any further on that.

3. We lose OUr all-universe RB to the freakiest injury I've ever seen.

4. We get lambasted by the media for losing what might be the best finish outside the Cal/Stanford finish in 1980. Umm, those guys in blue WERE undefeated, right?


And what do we get today? The NCAA (National Communists Against Athletes) says "OU, you weren't kicked in the balls enough this past year...so here's one more Spartan leg kick for ya." and makes us forfeit all OUr wins from 2005 (we went 8-4, but we get to keep those four losses).

So this leaves a lot of burning questions?

1. Why didn't the NCAA go after Ohio State for Troy Smith? He took about a grand from a booster and was only suspended ONE GAME! OUr two guys took about 8K each and were KICKED OFF THE TEAM! But the NCAA didn't think we were harsh enough.

2. Why isn't the NCAA going after USC for the estimated 100K that Reggie Bush took...and the fact he has been seen RECRUITING for USC? If they don't go after them at this point...I'm declaring jihad against the whole damned system.

3. The most important point: What's the point of self-reporting violations anymore? If this is what we're going to get for taking the corrective action ourselves, who in their right mind will man up, do what we did, and go through this gauntlet from an organization that is clearly giving preferential treatment to other teams?


I'm just gonna go ahead and claim that 2004 national title that USC "unfairly" took from us...and let's just go ahead and award Reggie's Heisman to Vince Young.

 

[joseephuss]

Scholarships are payment enough. They are getting essentially 20+ thousand a year and don't have to pay for anything...ever. It's ludacris as it is giving them an allowance would be a horrible idea.

It does not cost $20K a year to go to a state school(room, board, books, whatever...) like OU. Maybe some of the private schools cost that much.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It does not cost $20K a year to go to a state school(room, board, books, whatever...) like OU. Maybe some of the private schools cost that much.

true, but they are essentially living off the school w/ a scholarship, that should be enough, they don't need anymore

 

[Twyst]

It does not cost $20K a year to go to a state school(room, board, books, whatever...) like OU. Maybe some of the private schools cost that much.

Sure it does, especially if you are from another state

Estimated yearly costs for new and readmitted students.

Resident Tuition/Fees*
$5,709.50
Room & Board
$6,863.00
Books
$1,099.00
Resident Total
$13,671.50

Non-Resident Tuition/Fees*
$13,998.50
Room & Board
$6,863.00
Books
$1,099.00
Non-Resident Total
$21,960.50

 

[Doomsday101]

Scholarships are payment enough. They are getting essentially 20+ thousand a year and don't have to pay for anything...ever. It's ludacris as it is giving them an allowance would be a horrible idea.

I disagree I think giving these kids a little spending money say 200 bucks a month would be a fair deal that goes for the star player to the kid who is sitting on the bench.

 

[Kangaroo]

If you include drom and food it can cost anywhere from 10k+ depending on where you go and that was back when I went and the cost has gone up. I payed for my own degree out of my own pocket.

It cost more than you think when trying to work and go to school and everything else

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Sure it does, especially if you are from another state

Estimated yearly costs for new and readmitted students.

Resident Tuition/Fees*
$5,709.50
Room & Board
$6,863.00
Books
$1,099.00
Resident Total
$13,671.50

Non-Resident Tuition/Fees*
$13,998.50
Room & Board
$6,863.00
Books
$1,099.00
Non-Resident Total
$21,960.50

That's good info. Just talking off the top of my head, perhaps a solution would be for the players to be able to pocket the difference if they stayed "in-state" and could prove residency for at least three years prior to attending the school. That would promote keeping the local talent and giving them just under $700 a month spending cash. It could potentially help level the playing field for the Mid-level programs that lose out to the football factories on prospects. You could probably build in "exceptions" in the cases where a player is frozen out due to all state scholarships being filled, etc.

Probably a lot of holes in this theory.

 

[munkee]

Congratulations to the 2005 Oregon Ducks for your Holiday Bowl victory!

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Go Hokies!

 

[Dallas]

Oklahoma Sooner homers to make excuses in 5...4...3...2...

Texas Longhorn homers to start acting a fool in 5...4...3...2...

Nobody is making excuses for OU. OU did the right thing by kicking Bomar and his OT off the team.

If you took the time to even read the article you will find that OU tried to discipline itself by cutting the 2 idiots from the team. Oklahoma thought they were doing the right thing by being proactive once they found out.

OU fans are upset mainly because they see many schools (not just it's own) being held to a different standard than say USC or Ohio State. That is where some of us get a bit frustrated with the NCAA.

Think about it. Schools now will look to this punishment and not even bother notifying the NCAA about infractions. Why? It does you no good.

"Let's just play ball until they find out"...most will say and do say.

This punishment could have been worse. It is just the 2005 season. Nothing for us to be bouncy giggity over. So we update a few media guides. I don't care. What bothers me is there are idiots out there who think OU was behind this crap from the start, when it never was.

Bottom line. Stoops is a class act HC. He did the best for the school and the program by doing what he did. That goes far and above what many HC around the nation would do.

BTW BP: The last part is not an excuse. Please don't confuse the two.

D

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Scholarships are payment enough. They are getting essentially 20+ thousand a year and don't have to pay for anything...ever. It's ludacris as it is giving them an allowance would be a horrible idea.

Thank you. The NCAA definitely goes overboard on some of the things you can and can't do, but the talk you hear sometimes that these poor athletes are being "used" and should be paid a bunch of money is an insult to people like me who busted our butts to pay for our own educations.

If it's really that bad, the players are always free to quit their sport and pay their own way like everyone else.

 

[Mavs Man]

Losing the eight wins whilst keeping the four losses is a bit strange - why not just wipe out the entire season?

And DW has a good point - if USC is eventually stripped of their solo NC, does it then go to someone else or is no one champion for 2005?

 

[Verdict]

Being a lawyer, and having attended OU for both undergrad and law school, it is my duty to point out that the penalty handed down by the NCAA has been APPEALED.

OU turned itself in for NCAA infractions which resulted in the penalties being handed down. See what happens when you fail to exercise your right against self incrimination.

Thank God they refused the breathalyzer test!!!!!

 

[Verdict]

Nobody is making excuses for OU. OU did the right thing by kicking Bomar and his OT off the team.

If you took the time to even read the article you will find that OU tried to discipline itself by cutting the 2 idiots from the team. Oklahoma thought they were doing the right thing by being proactive once they found out.

OU fans are upset mainly because they see many schools (not just it's own) being held to a different standard than say USC or Ohio State. That is where some of us get a bit frustrated with the NCAA.

Think about it. Schools now will look to this punishment and not even bother notifying the NCAA about infractions. Why? It does you no good.

"Let's just play ball until they find out"...most will say and do say.

This punishment could have been worse. It is just the 2005 season. Nothing for us to be bouncy giggity over. So we update a few media guides. I don't care. What bothers me is there are idiots out there who think OU was behind this crap from the start, when it never was.

Bottom line. Stoops is a class act HC. He did the best for the school and the program by doing what he did. That goes far and above what many HC around the nation would do.

BTW BP: The last part is not an excuse. Please don't confuse the two.

D

The NCAA has had a bug up its *** against OU ever since the University of Oklahoma, (and the University of Georgia, if I remember correctly) sued the NCAA for antitrust violations arising from television contracts.

 

[Dallas]

The NCAA has had a bug up its *** against OU ever since the University of Oklahoma, (and the University of Georgia, if I remember correctly) sued the NCAA for antitrust violations arising from television contracts.

And won I might add.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Nobody is making excuses for OU. OU did the right thing by kicking Bomar and his OT off the team.

If you took the time to even read the article you will find that OU tried to discipline itself by cutting the 2 idiots from the team. Oklahoma thought they were doing the right thing by being proactive once they found out.

OU fans are upset mainly because they see many schools (not just it's own) being held to a different standard than say USC or Ohio State. That is where some of us get a bit frustrated with the NCAA.

Think about it. Schools now will look to this punishment and not even bother notifying the NCAA about infractions. Why? It does you no good.

"Let's just play ball until they find out"...most will say and do say.

This punishment could have been worse. It is just the 2005 season. Nothing for us to be bouncy giggity over. So we update a few media guides. I don't care. What bothers me is there are idiots out there who think OU was behind this crap from the start, when it never was.

Bottom line. Stoops is a class act HC. He did the best for the school and the program by doing what he did. That goes far and above what many HC around the nation would do.

BTW BP: The last part is not an excuse. Please don't confuse the two.

D

I said oklahoma sooner fans not the school itself.

Also what if the other schools got away with it, it will not change what oklahoma did and got in trouble for this time.

 

[Concord]

Buddy of mine at our Sooner board pretty much summed it up. My whole issue is not w/ the punishment of OU. It is with the blatant disregard to USC and the mess it's involved in w/ Bush. Troy Smith aside. Our boys did know what they were doing when manipulating the time clock and not going to work and getting paid to not be there. That was foolish and I am glad Stoops kicked them from the team.

So this leaves a lot of burning questions?

1. Why didn't the NCAA go after Ohio State for Troy Smith? He took about a grand from a booster and was only suspended ONE GAME! OUr two guys took about 8K each and were KICKED OFF THE TEAM! But the NCAA didn't think we were harsh enough.

Just to get the facts straight.

Smith took $500 to pay for a cell phone bill that his "buddy" Clarett had run up on him. Doesn't make it right and Smith was dumb, but it's not like he took the money to buy himself or his family something.

Did I mention I really dislike Clarett?

Ohio St suspended Smith for the 2004 Alamo Bowl And the First game of 2005 against Miami,OH and Benched him for the First half of the Texas game.

 

[BigWillie]

Why do so many people think Oklahoma got hosed? They basically got a slap on the wrist. So you erase the wins from one of your worst seasons this decade ... so tragic.

Then you lose 2 scholarships a year for two years. Judging by OU's recruiting class, it hasn't made a bit of difference what sanctions they are being put under.

OU got a slap on the wrist.

And please spare me all the "we self reported" garbage. This stuff was talked about months before on freakin' Texas A&M message boards. Are you telling me posters on an A&M message board are more aware of what goes on at Oklahoma than people at the university? Spare me.

 

[joseephuss]

Just to get the facts straight.

Smith took $500 to pay for a cell phone bill that his "buddy" Clarett had run up on him. Doesn't make it right and Smith was dumb, but it's not like he took the money to buy himself or his family something.

Did I mention I really dislike Clarett?

Ohio St suspended Smith for the 2004 Alamo Bowl And the First game of 2005 against Miami,OH and Benched him for the First half of the Texas game.

Get your facts straight, bub. Just kidding. I think your memory is going the way of mine and has become a little cloudy. Troy Smith was not benched for the first half of the Texas game. He played in the first half and gave OSU a little spark. Tressel just chose the other guy(Zwick) as the starter.

 

[joseephuss]

Why do so many people think Oklahoma got hosed? They basically got a slap on the wrist. So you erase the wins from one of your worst seasons this decade ... so tragic.

Then you lose 2 scholarships a year for two years. Judging by OU's recruiting class, it hasn't made a bit of difference what sanctions they are being put under.

OU got a slap on the wrist.

And please spare me all the "we self reported" garbage. This stuff was talked about months before on freakin' Texas A&M message boards. Are you telling me posters on an A&M message board are more aware of what goes on at Oklahoma than people at the university? Spare me.

OU got a just punishment. Does anyone really care if they take away their wins? It is not as if they were stripped of a championship. I admit it is just seems weird that it was thrown in, but to me it doesn't matter. It doesn't change what I think of that 2005 OU squad that I saw play.

The real punishment is the scholarship losses. To me it fits the crime and the already self imposed punishment that OU had done. It may be a slap on the wrist because that is all it had to be. OU didn't keep the guys on the squad. If they had done that then maybe the punishment could have been greater.

The USC investigation is still on going. They deserve at least the same punishment if all that stuff is found to be true about Reggie Bush and probably more. We shall see if there is favoritism when the time comes and I don't doubt that some favoritism exists.