NCAA rules Oklahoma must forfeit '05 season

[Danny White]

Congratulations to the 2005 Oregon Ducks for your Holiday Bowl victory!

The Ducks don't get credited for a win. It's a non-game now. Which is why I think Auburn would be given the NC if USC has to vacate their 2004 Orange Bowl win.

Why do so many people think Oklahoma got hosed? They basically got a slap on the wrist. So you erase the wins from one of your worst seasons this decade ... so tragic.

After sleeping on it, I kind of agree. It's pretty much a slap on the wrist, which I think fits the "crime" pretty well.

Did either of the suspended players have a major role in the win? Don't really follow the Sooners so I was just curious.

One of the players was Rhett Bomar, our starting QB in all of the wins. Although in retrospect, most OU fans probably would have rather had Paul Thompson playing that whole 2005 season, given what a knucklehead Bomar turned out to be.

 

[Dallas]

Why do so many people think Oklahoma got hosed? They basically got a slap on the wrist. So you erase the wins from one of your worst seasons this decade ... so tragic.

Then you lose 2 scholarships a year for two years. Judging by OU's recruiting class, it hasn't made a bit of difference what sanctions they are being put under.

OU got a slap on the wrist.

And please spare me all the "we self reported" garbage. This stuff was talked about months before on freakin' Texas A&M message boards. Are you telling me posters on an A&M message board are more aware of what goes on at Oklahoma than people at the university? Spare me.

Read the FREAKIN thread. Nobody is saying OU got hosed. Please try and keep up.

This is about the NCAA having double standards in dealing with similar situations with OTHER schools.

For crying out loud. Some of you need to READ the entire thread before wading into it.

 

[BigWillie]

Read the FREAKIN thread. Nobody is saying OU got hosed. Please try and keep up.

This is about the NCAA having double standards in dealing with similar situations with OTHER schools.

For crying out loud. Some of you need to READ the entire thread before wading into it.

You want to compare situations?

How about Colorado getting essentially the same punishment (minus the record change) for giving out discounted meals to walk-on players. But you want to whine and cry over this?

Heck, lets not even get into the fact that other athletes were seemingly involved and got off the hook. You would hate for me to jerk out the pictures of DJ Wolfe's vehicle. A $40k vehicle with lambo doors and 20 inch rims, being rode by Oklahoma's own CB.

But heck, since you as well as other Sooners seem to be caught up in the fact you self reported and it should get you off the hook, lets look at what the NCAA had to say about that ...

"In its response to the enforcement staff's notice of allegations, the institution claimed that it "self-reported" the employment violations to the NCAA. In reality, the violations at the dealership were first exposed in a March 3, 2006, electronic message (e-mail) sent by an anonymous source to both the NCAA enforcement staff and to institution officials. This e-mail stated that several student-athletes, including student-athlete 1, the institution's starting quarterback, were paid by the dealership for work that they did not perform. But for this e-mail, it is unlikely that these violations would have come to light."

You didn't self report jack, and only reported what you found after you had been caught.

Frankly, you got off easy and you STILL complain.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I'm not a fan of either program...Go Hurricanes!

I also like the 'Canes.

I bet their All-penal team alone could defeat most college teams.

 

[Concord]

Get your facts straight, bub. Just kidding. I think your memory is going the way of mine and has become a little cloudy. Troy Smith was not benched for the first half of the Texas game. He played in the first half and gave OSU a little spark. Tressel just chose the other guy(Zwick) as the starter.

Why you no good #@$%^!

It sounded so much better with a benching!

OK he didn't start him when he should have!:

 

[Dallas]

You want to compare situations?

How about Colorado getting essentially the same punishment (minus the record change) for giving out discounted meals to walk-on players. But you want to whine and cry over this?

Heck, lets not even get into the fact that other athletes were seemingly involved and got off the hook. You would hate for me to jerk out the pictures of DJ Wolfe's vehicle. A $40k vehicle with lambo doors and 20 inch rims, being rode by Oklahoma's own CB.

But heck, since you as well as other Sooners seem to be caught up in the fact you self reported and it should get you off the hook, lets look at what the NCAA had to say about that ...



You didn't self report jack, and only reported what you found after you had been caught.

Frankly, you got off easy and you STILL complain.

You are rediculous bra. Pull out whatever pictures you want. You act like Oklahoma is some cesspull of huge infractions.

I am not complaining about Oklahoma's punishment. Not once. It was LIGHT. It was fair. More than fair.

And Oklahoma did report itself to the NCAA. It certainly was not your precious little Aggies. Get over yourself. For real this time.

Seriously...put up the pic of Wolfe's car. I want that picture. Sounds sweet. you probably don't have it. Your Aggie board prolly does. I remeber them getting all bent over the fact he was driving the ride when he had it down there last year.

20's tho? Hell - im rollin deuce deuce on the 300c.

 

[BigWillie]

You are rediculous bra. Pull out whatever pictures you want. You act like Oklahoma is some cesspull of huge infractions.

I am not complaining about Oklahoma's punishment. Not once. It was LIGHT. It was fair. More than fair.

And Oklahoma did report itself to the NCAA. It certainly was not your precious little Aggies. Get over yourself. For real this time.

Seriously...put up the pic of Wolfe's car. I want that picture. Sounds sweet. you probably don't have it. Your Aggie board prolly does. I remeber them getting all bent over the fact he was driving the ride when he had it down there last year.

20's tho? Hell - im rollin deuce deuce on the 300c.

If you are not complaining, then why have you got your panties in a wad about the NCAA not being fair? If you know it was light, you wouldn't be bringing up situations like the Ohio State or USC situation, then referring to your own. Be glad you got off with what you did and don't worry about anyone else.

Secondly, I am not an Aggie fan. Very far from it. :laugh2:

Third, yes, Oklahoma is a cesspool full of huge infractions. It dates back decades with how they have committed violations. So I would say it isn't anything new.

Also, you self reported NOTHING. You were like the little kid who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, but hid it behind his back. You denied it until your momma makes you show your hands with the cookie in it, THEN you admit your wrongdoing. The NCAA said as much in the statement I showed you. I mean really, if it was that blatantly obvious to A&M fans and other fans who made the NCAA aware, are you saying Stoops and company are too blind to see it going on in their own football program?

I mean heck, if I was a college football coach and I saw my star player rolling up in a Lexus, would I (or even you) not be the LEAST bit curious how and why he got that car? Oh wait, AD was just taking that Lexus out for a month long test drive, right? HA!

Lastly, give me about 5 minutes to dig up the pictures off the hard drive. I'm sure all 20 year old kids have cars like DJ's -- if they go to Oklahoma at least.

 

[BigWillie]

Took me a bit longer to dig them up than I thought. But for your viewing pleasure and mine ...

 

[Dallas]

If you are not complaining, then why have you got your panties in a wad about the NCAA not being fair? If you know it was light, you wouldn't be bringing up situations like the Ohio State or USC situation, then referring to your own. Be glad you got off with what you did and don't worry about anyone else.

Secondly, I am not an Aggie fan. Very far from it. :laugh2:

Third, yes, Oklahoma is a cesspool full of huge infractions. It dates back decades with how they have committed violations. So I would say it isn't anything new.

Also, you self reported NOTHING. You were like the little kid who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, but hid it behind his back. You denied it until your momma makes you show your hands with the cookie in it, THEN you admit your wrongdoing. The NCAA said as much in the statement I showed you. I mean really, if it was that blatantly obvious to A&M fans and other fans who made the NCAA aware, are you saying Stoops and company are too blind to see it going on in their own football program?

I mean heck, if I was a college football coach and I saw my star player rolling up in a Lexus, would I (or even you) not be the LEAST bit curious how and why he got that car? Oh wait, AD was just taking that Lexus out for a month long test drive, right? HA!

Lastly, give me about 5 minutes to dig up the pictures off the hard drive. I'm sure all 20 year old kids have cars like DJ's -- if they go to Oklahoma at least.

*** ever. You have no proof nor facts. You are just saying this BS cuz you hate the school. Kinda like why the Commanders hate the Cowboys for all the success we have had in the past. =) Says much about ya bromie. =) True in the past they had problems. I'll give you that.

Good lord bro...cesspool? LoL - whatever.

Im not even going to try and defend that. That was just some made up BS on your part playah.

BTW: I drove a 1985 Porche 935 in college. Never took a cent. Still I was guilty by association w/ the car huh? hrmm... w/e

 

[BigWillie]

So I am jealous of success? Wouldn't that be funny if my school of choice didn't have more all-time wins.

And what baseless accusations am I making that you can refute? I haven't seen any yet.

Why is it that you avoid any of my questions? Is it because you would have to admit the ignorancy of the OU staff for once?

And of course you drove a Porsche. I'm sure you are also living in a multi-million dollar mansion on the coast, married to a super model, while your hung like a mule. But I'm gonna save you any more chest thumping and just tell all that myself before you go any farther in this thread. Sheesh.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Took me a bit longer to dig them up than I thought. But for your viewing pleasure and mine ...

That car is UGLY. I hate that low profile tire crap. The doors are the only cool thing about it.

 

[BigWillie]

^

And the thing is, that conversion kit for the doors will run you about $1500 bucks, not including the install fee.

Wish I was running around college with that type of money to throw around on just my car.

 

[silverbear]

Buddy of mine at our Sooner board pretty much summed it up. My whole issue is not w/ the punishment of OU. It is with the blatant disregard to USC and the mess it's involved in w/ Bush. Troy Smith aside. Our boys did know what they were doing when manipulating the time clock and not going to work and getting paid to not be there.

C'mon, don't be ridiculous... they knew they were getting paid, and they knew they weren't doing any work for it... to suggest they didn't know this was improper is a joke...

 

[silverbear]

Nobody is making excuses for OU. OU did the right thing by kicking Bomar and his OT off the team.

If you took the time to even read the article you will find that OU tried to discipline itself by cutting the 2 idiots from the team. Oklahoma thought they were doing the right thing by being proactive once they found out.

They did the right thing when they found out about it, but they should have known about it long before they did... basically, OU ignored what was going on, until it blew up on them...

A good head coach knows exactly where all his players are working, and makes sure that they're actually working for a paycheck... and if he doesn't, well, he often finds his school facing NCAA sanctions...

Yes, there are other schools deserving of punishment, but that does not absolve OU from responsibility in this...

 

[silverbear]

Being a lawyer, and having attended OU for both undergrad and law school, it is my duty to point out that the penalty handed down by the NCAA has been APPEALED.

OU turned itself in for NCAA infractions which resulted in the penalties being handed down. See what happens when you fail to exercise your right against self incrimination.

Thank God they refused the breathalyzer test!!!!!

They turned themselves in when they figured out the story was about to break... they don't get any credit from this corner for having done so...

A school with their history of NCAA violations has a duty to be even more diligent than one that has never had such violations...

 

[Danny White]

C'mon, don't be ridiculous... they knew they were getting paid, and they knew they weren't doing any work for it... to suggest they didn't know this was improper is a joke...

I think you're mis-reading Dallas' post. He said, quite clearly, that they DID know what they were doing.

Not quite sure what your beef is here?

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I also like the 'Canes.

I bet their All-penal team alone could defeat most college teams.

I hope Randy Shannon turns that ship around before it's too late!

 

[Dallas]

So I am jealous of success? Wouldn't that be funny if my school of choice didn't have more all-time wins.

And what baseless accusations am I making that you can refute? I haven't seen any yet.

Why is it that you avoid any of my questions? Is it because you would have to admit the ignorancy of the OU staff for once?

And of course you drove a Porsche. I'm sure you are also living in a multi-million dollar mansion on the coast, married to a super model, while your hung like a mule. But I'm gonna save you any more chest thumping and just tell all that myself before you go any farther in this thread. Sheesh.

I was making a statement about someone attending college and driving a nice car. Call me the defender of those who got to drive nice cars. You are saying just because someone drove an expensive vehicle that there has to be some shady business going on. I am saying that just because someone drove a nice car in college does NOT mean one has to be involved in some misdeeds (as in my situation...). That is not chest thumping. That is an EXAMPLE. I could have said my friend drive a Porchse blah blah...would that have been better for you not to get so upset? Odd...anyways.

My statement again so that nobody is confused.


The Compliance Office at OU did not do it's job. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THEY KNEW about the incident and just turned it's back on it. Once they found out about it. The University did it's own investigation into the matter. This was when folks started talking about it. It was reported to the NCAA at that time. OU continued it's own investigation. A week or 2 later is when Stoops and the Compliance Office verified the activities of Bomar and Quinn at the dealership in question. That is when Stoops removed them from the team. This ended Oklahoma's investigation. This did not stop the NCAA's investigation into the matter. My issue w/ you is that you continue to say that OU knew about this all along and didn't do anything about it. I am flat out saying thats a crock of **** and you can sell that someplace else. If you remember that anonymous email was sent to OU and the NCAA at the SAME TIME. OU then started it's own investigation into the matter. Can we verify the source first before proceeding to the gallows?

Oklahoma got a fair penalty from the NCAA regarding this infraction. That was NEVER my complaint. My complaint is about USC and the Reggie Bush fiasco. Some of my beef was about TS at Ohio State to a degree. I never read anything about the NCAA doing anything to OS. Maybe they did. I know the school took TS out of a couple of games over it.

Now tell me. If it's not really a big thing w/ USC and Reggie Bush. Why is the FBI doing it's own investigation into it (bribery charges)? They are witholding evidence the NCAA has requested, thus the NCAA is saying this is slowing down it's own investigation.



Just throwing this out there....

Oklahoma is the winningest program in what is widely considered the modern era of college football. OU has the most victories and best winning percentage of any team since the end of World War II.

The Sooners have earned seven AP National Championships in that span and are recognized by the NCAA for 16 titles. OU has spent more weeks ranked in the top five (342) of the poll than any other team and is tied with Notre Dame for most weeks ran ked No. 1 (95). The AP poll began in 1936.

Updated | January 11, 2007

Victories, 1946-2006
1. Oklahoma 524
2. Alabama 492
3. Nebraska 494
Penn State 494
5. Texas 491
6. Ohio State 484
7. Michigan 481
8. Tennessee 475
9. Southern Cal 469
10. Notre Dame 467



Winning Percentage, 1946-2006
1. Oklahoma .761 (524-160-13)
2. Ohio State .743 (484-160-20)
3. Penn State .734 (494-176-9)
4. Michigan .729 (481-174-15)
5. Texas .714 (491-193-11)
6. Nebraska .710 (494-199-9)
7. Alabama .706 (492-199-20)
8. Notre Dame .704 (467-192-14)
9. Tennessee .695 (475-201-24)
10. USC .694 (469-200-23)



Weeks Ranked Top 5 in AP Poll
1. Oklahoma 342
2. Nebraska 294
3. Ohio State 288
4. Notre Dame 276
5. Michigan 271
6. USC 267
7. Texas 252
8. Alabama 243
9. Florida State 204
10. Miami (Fla.) 201



Weeks Ranked No. 1 in AP Poll
1. Oklahoma 95
Notre Dame 95
3. Ohio State 88
4. Southern Cal 81
5. Nebraska 70
6. Miami (Fla.) 68
7. Florida State 59
8. Texas 42
9. Michigan 34
10. Alabama 31

 

[BigWillie]

Now you are making your own assumptions. The rumors started well beforehand, and people were aware of what was going on at Big Red Imports. So all in all, you are saying that Oklahoma was blind to what other people knew?

Seriously, it is the AD and coaching staffs job to make sure their players are following the guidelines that allow them to retain their amateur status. If Adrian Peterson is rolling up in a Lexus, would you not question the guy how and where he got that car? Or if I see my QB doing nothing, but making money somehow, would you not get suspicious?

The equivalent of what you are saying is you smell the scent of marjiuana coming out of your kids room, but you don't anything about it until the police call you in the middle of the night to tell you that your kid has been picked up for possession. It's your job to govern these kids, and when you don't do it, you don't go back and make excuses later for their idiotic mistakes.

Face the facts, your University ignored these kids and let them do as they please and got busted for it. Don't give me some crap that Stoops is classy and the university did as much as they could in the situation. That's blowing more smoke than a stove pipe and you know it.

And I like your selective stats. Heck, I've won the most NC since '90, so that must mean my team is better than yours. WOOO! C'mon man, get real.

 

[Dallas]

And I like your selective stats. Heck, I've won the most NC since '90, so that must mean my team is better than yours. WOOO! C'mon man, get real.

Those are not stats I made up. They are all valid. Feel free to go check them out.

Selective stats. The Internet is ALMOST free for most Americans. Do some research. PLEASE ???


Im done bantering back and forth w/ ya. You have your opinion regarding the so called truth and I'll have mine.

Nuff said.

D