New Dallas Cowboy Greg Hardy: 'I don't care if [you] like me'

[erod]

That's easy. $$$ There are womens groups and other high horse types who will protest regardless of the facts. So the owners were afraid of losing endorsements, butts in the seats possibly. The Cowboys are not afraid of that as they are the richest professional sports team in the U.S.A. if not the world. Jerry's a smart man when it comes to the business side.

So there are 31 dumb owners, and one smart one?

More like, there's one owner with a good team who knows he doesn't have a sniff of a pass rush.

 

[iceberg]

So there are 31 dumb owners, and one smart one?

More like, there's one owner with a good team who knows he doesn't have a sniff of a pass rush.

he didn't say that but he's saying about the same thing i did.

we've really gone into a "witch hunt" mentality these days as a society. proof, not needed. witnesses, pee-shaw. following legal process, only proves their guilt.

so the public has already made up their mind about hardy and if you go against that in todays society, you do in fact have to consider that.

people who play both extreme and middle ground really don't get either.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

he didn't say that but he's saying about the same thing i did.

we've really gone into a "witch hunt" mentality these days as a society. proof, not needed. witnesses, pee-shaw. following legal process, only proves their guilt.

so the public has already made up their mind about hardy and if you go against that in todays society, you do in fact have to consider that.

people who play both extreme and middle ground really don't get either.

Careful. He doesn't like being bowled over by "pom-poms" (his term for logic).

 

[erod]

he didn't say that but he's saying about the same thing i did.

we've really gone into a "witch hunt" mentality these days as a society. proof, not needed. witnesses, pee-shaw. following legal process, only proves their guilt.

so the public has already made up their mind about hardy and if you go against that in todays society, you do in fact have to consider that.

people who play both extreme and middle ground really don't get either.

I have a brain. And it tells me that if there was much uncertainty surrounding this case, the Carolina Panthers wouldn't have let him walk and badmouthed him on the way out. Other teams wouldn't have stayed far, far away. Charlotte and Garrett wouldn't be speaking like he was guilty and in need of reform, which they are.

The NFL is trying to obtain the evidence, but the county attorneys won't let them have it. That's why no suspension has been handed down yet.

Where there's smoke, there's fire about 99.9 percent of the time.

 

[Rockport]

enough to be found guilty to begin with which he was. Police saw her and indicated she had been beat up. Really does not matter, you got a pass rusher now.

Just like I thought. You can't provide any evidence.

 

[Doomsday101]

Just like I thought. You can't provide any evidence.

The court found him guilty there was enough evidence to charge him and convict him which he was, it was on the appeal once she reached a settlement that she left and the case was dismissed when they could not find her to even serve her with a subpoena to have her testify

 

[erod]

Careful. He doesn't like being bowled over by "pom-poms" (his term for logic).

Here's the report of the numerous injuries suffered at the hands of your poor, victimized hero.

http://www.wsoctv.com/gallery/news/local/images-greg-hardy-case-evidence-logs/gCNMm/

 

[erod]

Just like I thought. You can't provide any evidence.

http://www.wsoctv.com/gallery/news/local/images-greg-hardy-case-evidence-logs/gCNMm/

 

[khiladi]

People knew Greg Hardy was available before Dallas picked him up. Nobody in the media was talking about the alleged moral issue. Suddenly, when Dallas gets him it's as if everybody just became aware of the moral issue that existed prior to him being signed.

 

[khiladi]

Here's the report of the numerous injuries suffered at the hands of your poor, victimized hero.

http://www.wsoctv.com/gallery/news/local/images-greg-hardy-case-evidence-logs/gCNMm/

Hardy, per the report, has injuries to his face and forearm. Bruises on upper arms and elbows from a girl half the size of a 200 plus guy, whose a DE in the NFL, holding the arms of a lady whose clearly trying to engage in a battle with him can easily cause bruises. A lot of these pictures apparently are from the same bruises as well.

Can you actually show the pictures instead of guesswork?

 

[tyke1doe]

The guys who are ripping on Hardy generally aren't concerned with evidence. It makes them feel good about themselves to pass moral judgment on others, whether or not that judgment is appropriate. So they judge. And be careful about calling them on their rush to judgment: that might cause them to call your integrity into question too. Soon enough it becomes apparent that they're not interested in truth. They're not interested in justice. They're not interested in logic. They're just interested in pointing fingers, hurling epithets and telling us (directly and indirectly) how righteous they are. The only way of dealing with it is to laugh and bow out of the discussion. Too much rides on it -- in fact, their whole puffed up image of themselves is at stake -- for them to allow reason to persuade them.

The guys who support Hardy aren't interested in logic or justice. Never mind stats that show women are by far the greater victims of domestic violence. Never mind the fact that many rich and powerful men are never accused of similar actions and never find themselves in the situation Hardy found himself in. Never mind the fact that women generally don't speak out against domestic or sexual abuse because of the reaction of people who won't believe them. Never mind the fact that Hardy carelessly had weapons displayed in his home (the type of reckless and careless attitude associated with "gangstas"), a recklessness and carelessness that speaks, at the very least, to his judgment - or lack thereof. Never mind ANY of those facts and logic. Hardy can sack a quarterback, and the Cowboys need him. And their need for their team to win makes them not only feel good about themselves but makes them sacrifice their moral sensibilities on the alter of entertainment. And that is why they turn arguments that clearly have moral distinctions into arguments about moral equivalency. That's why they can treat incidences involving domestic violence cavalierly. That's why they can criticize those who speak out against it as "self righteous" or demand that critics "get off their high horses." They don't want anyone to disturb their entertainment. They don't want anyone to derail their precious dream of seeing their team in the Super Bowl. And a situation that would bring them outrage if it had occurred to their mothers, daughters or sisters, merely gets a wave of the hand because it's some unknown woman who made up the encounter just to get money. So they dismiss. They're not interested in the plight of women in domestic abuse. They're not interested in shining the light on this problem. They want to just show women their backhand, "Go away, little girl. Your problem is of no concern to me. You're interfering with my favorite team's chance to go to the Super Bowl."
But the only way to deal with it is not to ignore it, like they would do, but to speak out because in speaking out we bring attention to an issue that needs attention. No, we're not like those who bow out and act as if nothing is wrong. We continue to raise our voices until we're heard. Because, to us, it's not about being self righteous. It's not about being on a high horse. It's not just about seeing our football team win. It's about our mothers and daughters and sisters and girlfriends and wives. They need to know we care. They need to hear us, even over the cheers of thousands yelling, "Go Cowboys!"

Just wanted to add a balanced perspective.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

I have a brain.

It appears not to be processing information.

And it tells me that if there was much uncertainty surrounding this case, the Carolina Panthers wouldn't have let him walk and badmouthed him on the way out. Other teams wouldn't have stayed far, far away.

AmberBeer has already provided a full explanation for this. The mere accusation of domestic violence is enough to attract the wrath of very loud contingents (like women's groups and the moralists on this board) that can impact the bottom line. For most teams in most markets (Charlotte perhaps chief among them) it's not worth the risk and distraction. Jerry is used to negative attention and the Cowboy brand can withstand it (in addition to being the most loved team in America, it is also the most hated). That, combined with the need for a pass rusher, changes the calculus for him.

Charlotte and Garrett wouldn't be speaking like he was guilty and in need of reform, which they are.

AmberBeer's explanation also accounts for this, if one cares to spend the thought required to put it together. Tell me again about that brain you have?

Where there's smoke, there's fire about 99.9 percent of the time.

A fancy way of saying, "we don't need evidence, we have the accusation."

Here's the report of the numerous injuries suffered at the hands of your poor, victimized hero.

http://www.wsoctv.com/gallery/news/local/images-greg-hardy-case-evidence-logs/gCNMm/

Until you address the following, this other stuff is just noise.

Victims and witnesses routinely stop cooperating in domestic-abuse cases and prosecutors still take the cases to court. [District Attorney] Murray, though, said the Hardy case was different. He also appeared to raise doubts about Holder’s credibility in a statement to the judge.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/incoming/article10422650.html#storylink=cpy

 

[khiladi]

BTW, this just happened...

Police: woman stabbed NFL player, beat girlfriend with bat

http://fox4kc.com/2015/03/21/police-woman-stabbed-nfl-player-beat-girlfriend-with-bat/

“When they got to the house, Mrs. Palmer was in the house sitting on the couch. She found Walden’s gun that was in the dresser and she had a baseball bat,” said Lou Solis, Asst. Police Chief with the Braselton Police Department.

Police say Palmer, who drove to Hall County from Tennessee, purchased the bat and a knife from a Walmart not far from Walden’s home. According a police report, Walden took the gun from Palmer, but not before she waved it at him and Smith.

“She ends up getting into a fight with the girl, swinging the bat and ends up hitting the friend on the right arm above the elbow and ends up breaking her arm,” Solis said.

Investigators say Palmer left the scene when Walden called 911. Once officers left the scene, detectives say Palmer went back to the house.

“The wife was hiding in the woods. She comes running out, goes to the passenger-side door, he jumps out the truck to help her and that is when she starts attacking him,” Solis said.

But yeah, women, especially former girlfriends of NFL football players, are made of sugar and spice and they couldn't be crazy...

 

[erod]

If Hardy is innocent, where is he? Where has he been? Innocent men, especially loud-spoken self-promoters like Hardy, don't just hide in the shadows and say nothing. They fight for their reputation.

He knows. The league knows. The teams know. Jerry knows.

 

[tyke1doe]

You don't or refuse to get my meaning about the $$$ so I give up on you.

Oh you mean THE red flag and not the red flagS.

You mean dollars only have one meaning????

This is what you call pigeonholing an argument. You say they are concerned about losing money. I'm saying if you believe Hardy is a key element in your team winning, you would GAIN money.

You want to make it seem as if the only use for money is to LOSE it.

You have narrowed your argument to fit your purpose. But money ALSO is available to be made. And the Cowboys isn't going to give all that money to Hardy because they think they're going to lose money on him.

 

[tyke1doe]

But yeah, women, especially former girlfriends of NFL football players, are made of sugar and spice and they couldn't be crazy...

I'm sorry, but who said this other than yourself?

 

[khiladi]

His next door neighbor had talked with police about what he saw and heard but did not give a name out of fear. I'm sure you will dismiss this as well but fact is the court did find him guilty. instead of facing civil case he reached a settlement with her

There were multiple neighbors. That witness said the guy was huge and scary, but he clearly did not know him as is evidenced in the transcript. Another witness said the girl from the room flip-flopped her statements about what happened.

 

[erod]

There were multiple neighbors. That witness said the guy was huge and scary, but he clearly did not know him as is evidenced in the transcript. Another witness said the girl from the room flip-flopped her statements about what happened.

If there's all this question about it, why did Carolina just write him off?

 

[khiladi]

I'm sorry, but who said this other than yourself?

What else does this mean?

Never mind the fact that many rich and powerful men are never accused of similar actions and never find themselves in the situation Hardy found himself in.

Sure, the crazy may be slightly different, it's still crazy. It was just reported in China that two girls seeing or saw the same man, one a former girlfriend, decided to throw themselves into a river to see which one he would save.

 

[khiladi]

If there's all this question about it, why did Carolina just write him off?

This has already been stated. Pretty much everybody wanted him back, but it was during the Ray Rice affair and they still had the Rae Carruth saga hanging over their heads. And nobody wanted him gone. All the coaches and players wanted him other than the religiously conservative owner, I believe. I personally don't buy that latter point, I think he probably didn't want to have to pay him the money he would demand when he became a free agent the very next year. It probably gave the FO an excuse they needed to get rid of him, instead of having to dish out a Suh-like contract he would have demanded.