New Dallas Cowboy Greg Hardy: 'I don't care if [you] like me'

[Doomsday101]

I like about how you ignore the judges previous history so easily. A judge notorious for only believing the woman.

I like how you act dismiss all of this because you want a pass rusher. Some things in life are more important than a pass rusher or a football game.

 

[CowboyGil]

IMO, anybody who thinks other teams didn't want him because of this incident is naive to the business that the NFL is. It's not that they don't want him, they were just waiting each other and him out hoping the longer he was out there the more his price would go down. Cowboys have a recent history of taking on guys with off field problems. Some of them work out and some of them don't. Like JG says, the team will help him all they can, but Greg is ultimately the one most responsible for becoming the RKG.

 

[Doomsday101]

IMO, anybody who thinks other teams didn't want him because of this incident is naive to the business that the NFL is. It's not that they don't want him, they were just waiting each other and him out hoping the longer he was out there the more his price would go down. Cowboys have a recent history of taking on guys with off field problems. Some of them work out and some of them don't. Like JG says, the team will help him all they can, but Greg is ultimately the one most responsible for becoming the RKG.

True but as mentioned by others at NFL network had Hardy had no issues he would have been signed for a longterm contract on day 1 of FA like many other players. Teams are not afraid to spend money on top players. Teams however are leery to sign a problem player. Dallas offered a deal that is a low risk I saw no one else offering better. I have no issue with the Cowboys signing a problem player on a deal that protects the team, I may not care for the player but at least the Cowboys offer is a low risk to the team

 

[tyke1doe]

You might have considered checking your logic at the door, given its obvious flaws. Among other things, you haven't even realized that this doesn't approach being a question of integrity until you can definitively establish his guilt (even then, it's doubtful that "integrity" calls for interfering with his livelihood where the legal system has otherwise determined not to punish him).

But feel free to take more backhanded swipes. They're all you have, given that the arguments aren't on your side.

No, you don't have to establish someone's guilt to measure integrity, as integrity is not a legal concept. Integrity is a moral concept. And depending on how one defines integrity, it is a judgment that can be made simply with available information.

I've never had a woman accuse me of beating her. And many other players have never had women accused of beating them, even though those players were and are equally as wealthy as Hardy.

Why is it that players like Hardy are always the ones who find these women who accuse them of beating them or lying merely to receive a paycheck?

Why is it that other players hardly ever, if never, find these type of women, players richer than Hardy?

Many people attract "bad" people because:

1. They are bad and
2. They make bad decisions with respect to female friends and acquaintances.

As the saying goes, the apple don't fall too far from the tree.

 

[iceberg]

I know the judge found him guilty they appealed and were going to a jury trial, a civil case was already taking place and she got her money and left. I don't know every detail I do believe he beat that woman up and again in my book that is low of any man. Those who feel different fine I have no sympathy what so ever for the guy and just because he plays for Dallas does not make it ok.

you're mixing things up. i don't care if he plays for dallas or not. my own sense of "justice" is about a line of right and wrong and trying to adhere to that line regardless of the situation. but since you feel as strongly as you do that's fine. but not everyone defending or not speaking badly about hardy are not doing it simply because he's now a cowboy. that may have given us more insight to WANT to know more, but that's about it.

from what i've found he's a lot of things and boy scout isn't high up on the list. but in trying to understand his side, and hers, and the history of both, she came across as less credible to me than he did. people's mock rage at the stereotypes just cracks me up.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

I've never had a woman accuse me of beating her. And many other players have never had women accused of beating them, even though those players were and are equally as wealthy as Hardy.

In essence, you're arguing that the accusation itself is proof of guilt. That's so weak as to eliminate you as a candidate for having a rational discussion about all of this. Sorry, Tyke.

 

[iceberg]

True but as mentioned by others at NFL network had Hardy had no issues he would have been signed for a longterm contract on day 1 of FA like many other players. Teams are not afraid to spend money on top players. Teams however are leery to sign a problem player. Dallas offered a deal that is a low risk I saw no one else offering better. I have no issue with the Cowboys signing a problem player on a deal that protects the team, I may not care for the player but at least the Cowboys offer is a low risk to the team

i would not disagree there. but they're also leery of perception. why? because today all you need is perception and people hang you for that.

i'd think twice in our society today before i made a move that i knew it wouldn't like.

but doesn't make it the wrong move.

 

[Rockport]

I'm sorry. So there's not dollars in fielding a winning team? Why do you think the Cowboys are signing Hardy despite the fact that the team risks protests and criticism from outside groups?

Uh, because he represents a player who can help them win the Super Bowl and help the team make (say it with me ...) more money.

Besides, do you even know what the word "naïve" means?
Asking questions and presenting various possibilities, scenarios and alternatives are the antithesis of naïvete.



They were already told you. Besides, did you read the multiple accounts of his arrest and the circumstances around his case? Even if you believe the woman fabricated the story, his situation (guys laying around the house like so many dust mites) doesn't paint his judgment in a favorable light.

I'm not talking about making more money but losing money from endorsements and the like. I'm still waiting for all these red flags you talk about. Climb down from that high horse of yours.

 

[Fletch]

Don't be rollin your eyes. You know you laughed.

 

[Doomsday101]

you're mixing things up. i don't care if he plays for dallas or not. my own sense of "justice" is about a line of right and wrong and trying to adhere to that line regardless of the situation. but since you feel as strongly as you do that's fine. but not everyone defending or not speaking badly about hardy are not doing it simply because he's now a cowboy. that may have given us more insight to WANT to know more, but that's about it.

from what i've found he's a lot of things and boy scout isn't high up on the list. but in trying to understand his side, and hers, and the history of both, she came across as less credible to me than he did. people's mock rage at the stereotypes just cracks me up.

Everyone? no. Some? You bet and will claim him to be a scum bag as soon as he hits the door to another team. As for being a boy scout I don't expect that from any player and I have yet to cast her as some loving caring girl friend but does not change the fact you walk away from it you don't beat the crap out of a woman. She may have started the argument for all I know, she may have pissed him off but does not change my feelings on hitting women.

 

[Rockport]

Everyone? no. Some? You bet and will claim him to be a scum bag as soon as he hits the door to another team. As for being a boy scout I don't expect that from any player and I have yet to cast her as some loving caring girl friend but does not change the fact you walk away from it you don't beat the crap out of a woman. She may have started the argument for all I know, she may have pissed him off but does not change my feelings on hitting women.

I'd sure like to see evidence that proves he hit her.

 

[tyke1doe]

I'm not talking about making more money but losing money. I'm still waiting for all these red flags you talk about.

But you make more money when you win.
Teams sign (or want to sign) the best players because they want to win. Winning brings more fans to your stadium = more dollars. Winning gets more people buying your team paraphernalia = more dollars. Winning brings your team and your players more exposure = more dollars.

If Hardy is the best pass rusher available, why wouldn't a team want him on the roster to help in the above endeavors?

They didn't want him because of his baggage. And they determined that the baggage he brings isn't going to be as monetarily rewarding as his contributions to a winning team.

As for my red flags, they've been given. If you dismiss them, so be it.

 

[Doomsday101]

i would not disagree there. but they're also leery of perception. why? because today all you need is perception and people hang you for that.

i'd think twice in our society today before i made a move that i knew it wouldn't like.

but doesn't make it the wrong move.

As I said from a football stand point I'm not blasting the Cowboys. They are giving a problem player a chance on a low risk contract. My initial comment was about "As good as he sacks a QB people will like him" I'm sorry him sacking a QB or not changes nothing in my view he could put up 20 and my feeling of him are no different. I'm not that sallow of a person to believe getting sacks somehow makes what he did right.

 

[iceberg]

Everyone? no. Some? You bet and will claim him to be a scum bag as soon as he hits the door to another team. As for being a boy scout I don't expect that from any player and I have yet to cast her as some loving caring girl friend but does not change the fact you walk away from it you don't beat the crap out of a woman. She may have started the argument for all I know, she may have pissed him off but does not change my feelings on hitting women.

In announcing her decision, Tin noted that Hardy and Nicole Holder told wildly differentversions from the witness stand of what happened in the football player’s luxury uptown apartment on May 13. But the judge said the evidence persuaded her beyond reasonable doubt that Hardy beat Holder, threw her around his apartment, then tried to hide his actions with a fabricated 911 call.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article9140591.html#storylink=cpy

it's still her word against his. and yes, i've seen women hurt themselves before 911 shows up. unless there's a video i'm missing, or undisputable proof he hit her, you're taking her word over his.

for me, to do that, i need background history on both.

she's done this before.
he has not.

so while i don't launch myself into hardys favor just yet, i give him the nod cause i simply won't hang a man by the "victims" testimony alone. as i've said before i will sit back and see how he conducts himself before i worry bout beating the rush to call him bad things.

and not everyone who backs hardy is "shallow". if you're referring to my conversations with you, let's keep it to how we feel and have communicated.

i don't have the energy or desire to run around after this "group" of people who seem to fit your criteria.

i'm just not one of 'em. sorry.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'd sure like to see evidence that proves he hit her.

They have witness, they have police who went to the house they have a woman who was beat up and I highly doubt she beat herself up. Judge found him guilty and Hardy then appealed the case. So it is not as if judgment had not been rendered to begin with.

 

[tyke1doe]

Everyone? no. Some? You bet and will claim him to be a scum bag as soon as he hits the door to another team. As for being a boy scout I don't expect that from any player and I have yet to cast her as some loving caring girl friend but does not change the fact you walk away from it you don't beat the crap out of a woman. She may have started the argument for all I know, she may have pissed him off but does not change my feelings on hitting women.

You gotta love the moral equivalency game. Well, nobody's perfect so get off your high horse.

You're right, nobody is perfect. But screaming at your wife/girl friend because you're mad is a weee bit different than slamming her around because you're angry.

Just saying.

 

[Doomsday101]

In announcing her decision, Tin noted that Hardy and Nicole Holder told wildly differentversions from the witness stand of what happened in the football player’s luxury uptown apartment on May 13. But the judge said the evidence persuaded her beyond reasonable doubt that Hardy beat Holder, threw her around his apartment, then tried to hide his actions with a fabricated 911 call.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article9140591.html#storylink=cpy

it's still her word against his. and yes, i've seen women hurt themselves before 911 shows up. unless there's a video i'm missing, or undisputable proof he hit her, you're taking her word over his.

for me, to do that, i need background history on both.

she's done this before.
he has not.

so while i don't launch myself into hardys favor just yet, i give him the nod cause i simply won't hang a man by the "victims" testimony alone. as i've said before i will sit back and see how he conducts himself before i worry bout beating the rush to call him bad things.

and not everyone who backs hardy is "shallow". if you're referring to my conversations with you, let's keep it to how we feel and have communicated.

i don't have the energy or desire to run around after this "group" of people who seem to fit your criteria.

i'm just not one of 'em. sorry.

Fine you choice to defend the guy whatever floats your boat. He is a heck of a guy. lol

 

[iceberg]

They have witness, they have police who went to the house they have a woman who was beat up and I highly doubt she beat herself up. Judge found him guilty and Hardy then appealed the case. So it is not as if judgment had not been rendered to begin with.

i've not found a witness yet who was there to actually see it. can you provide some names?

i just find it odd you're so willing to hate one side of a "story" but give all leeway to the other side. he either did it or he didn't.

witnesses who were there while it happened would help a lot. if those don't exist, then i can't say she's right, he's wrong, and be happy with myself. that's just not right.

 

[tyke1doe]

it's still her word against his. and yes, i've seen women hurt themselves before 911 shows up.

Really? So you've seen a woman hurt herself before 911 shows up? To blame another person?

If so, can you share the circumstances, please?

Thanks.

 

[Doomsday101]

You gotta love the moral equivalency game. Well, nobody's perfect so get off your high horse.

You're right, nobody is perfect. But screaming at your wife/girl friend because you're mad is a weee bit different than slamming her around because you're angry.

Just saying.

They are right no one is perfect, I child molester is not perfect but I despise them with all my heart, I despise a man who would hit a woman. If that is being on one’s high horse fine. To think for a second that all one has to do is perform on a football field and all is forgiven is amazing