New Wide Out?...Joe Horn

[Stash]

Again, I'd rather roll the dice Glenn can come back or that one of our current crop would step up.

Crayton has done more the last 2 years than Horn has be a huge margin.

Horn...64 receptions, 922 yards, 5 scores.

Crayton...86 catches, 1213 yards, 11 scores.

I'd rather stand pat than with him than waste time on Horn who has faded in prodcution for 4 straight seasons. Crayton on the other hand has improved each of his 4 years in the NFL so far.

I can definitely see your point.

At this point, Horn may simply 'get in the way' rather than adding anything.

 

[jobberone]

Again, I'd rather roll the dice Glenn can come back or that one of our current crop would step up.

Crayton has done more the last 2 years than Horn has be a huge margin.

Horn...64 receptions, 922 yards, 5 scores.

Crayton...86 catches, 1213 yards, 11 scores.

I'd rather stand pat than with him than waste time on Horn who has faded in prodcution for 4 straight seasons. Crayton on the other hand has improved each of his 4 years in the NFL so far.

I didn't know Horn had faded that much. How much of it is situational and how much is due to declining ability? He wasn't done much of a favor by being in Atlanta last year with that QB problem. Perhaps there is more to it than just stats although they paint a very specific picture here and scream for attention.

 

[Doomsday101]

Right, no doubt.

My thought is, that unless we are saving our '08 cap room for some sort of move for another receiver, then we should fork over the small amount of money that is being discussed and take the gamble... afterall, according to everyone, it's SB or bust this year. And if Glenn is healthy like he (and Romo, and Witten, etc) claim, then I think it's a worthy risk for the big prize.

Joe Horn will be no better than having Patrick Crayton as the #2, so it's a waste in my opinion.

Now if there is some serious discussion behind the scenes (and not simply fantasy) that we really may land Boldin or Williams, then by all means let's just move on and forget about Glenn.

But if all of this talk about a great receiver opposite of T.O. is simply wishful thinking, then we will be team worse off without him (even if we were to bump Glenn to the #3).

I still hold to my opinion that Crayton is going to have a very good year and will make a nice compliment to Owens more this season than last. But unless we are bringing in someone who can give us that true deep threat, then it's better to leave things be.

I know Romo says Glenn looks good now in June but I don't think the concern with Glenn is his health right now it is the ability to endure a long season and given what was reported regarding the options the doctors gave Glenn and Glenn not doing the microfracter surgery does not bode well for that knee.

I guess in the end I don't want to go into a season where the odds are Glenn would not be able to play or play effectively through out the season. I love what he has brought to the team but I do think the end of the line is here and Glenn should hang them up instead of risking further problems.

If Glenn is with us well like any true Cowboy fan I'll be pulling for him and hoping for the best but I just don't see him being able to endure an entire season.

 

[Hostile]

It's ok, I was gung ho in favor of that move as well.

I think Dale was leading that bandwagon back then.

Yeah, I fell into that one as well....

Let us all unite in our shame.

 

[Hostile]

I can definitely see your point.

At this point, Horn may simply 'get in the way' rather than adding anything.

I read that Atlanta is planning to install a sundial to time his 40 if they hang on to him.

 

[Stash]

Let us all unite in our shame.

:grouphug:

 

[Hostile]

I didn't know Horn had faded that much. How much of it is situational and how much is due to declining ability? He wasn't done much of a favor by being in Atlanta last year with that QB problem. Perhaps there is more to it than just stats although they paint a very specific picture here and scream for attention.

His last 2 years in Nawlins he started missing games due to injury and his production slipped.

His 1st down production has dropped from 73 to 37 to 28 to 17. His decline is steady even before the Atlanta QB fiasco.

 

[Tovya]

The question that begs and answer really is, even if this whole Joe Horn thing is not a ruse... assuming that Horn and Glenn were both in playing shape and both ready to return to their previous form, who is better served as filling in for T.O. should he go down (which is really what this whole debate is really all about).

If T.O. is healthy all season long, this argument doesn't mean a thing anyway, but should, God forbid, T.O. go down, which receiver (once again, assuming both are in prime playing shape and health) is better in the role of lead receiver for this Cowboys' offense?

Who's playing style is most likely to work in the Romo/Garrett system? It's Glenn all the way... Romo knows Glenn, and he's played with Glenn (even if only for a half season). Glenn has the best ability to pickup and lead the receiver attack should the worst happen... we don't have time to give Joe Horn the necessary lead way to learn Romo and execute flawlessly within the system.

Lastly, I actually have watched a lot of Joe Horn (thanks to Sunday ticket) and I've never been real impressed with him. Sure, he had a "run first" QB throwing him the ball, but it's his raw skill set that is lacking in my opinion.

 

[Stash]

The question that begs and answer really is, even if this whole Joe Horn thing is not a ruse... assuming that Horn and Glenn were both in playing shape and both ready to return to their previous form, who is better served as filling in for T.O. should he go down (which is really what this whole debate is really all about).

If T.O. is healthy all season long, this argument doesn't mean a thing anyway, but should, God forbid, T.O. go down, which receiver (once again, assuming both are in prime playing shape and health) is better in the role of lead receiver for this Cowboys' offense?

Who's playing style is most likely to work in the Romo/Garrett system? It's Glenn all the way... Romo knows Glenn, and he's played with Glenn (even if only for a half season). Glenn has the best ability to pickup and lead the receiver attack should the worst happen... we don't have time to give Joe Horn the necessary lead way to learn Romo and execute flawlessly within the system.

Lastly, I actually have watched a lot of Joe Horn (thanks to Sunday ticket) and I've never been real impressed with him. Sure, he had a "run first" QB throwing him the ball, but it's his raw skill set that is lacking in my opinion.

Your hypothesis assumes that a healthy Glenn is a possibility.

I don't think a healthy Glenn exists anymore.

 

[Brandon]

No one on this roster, could even preform to 50% of what T.O if he was to go down.

If T.O goes down, our offensive is screwed.

 

[Doomsday101]

No one on this roster, could even preform to 50% of what T.O if he was to go down.

If T.O goes down, our offensive is screwed.

I think we would not be as explosive but I do think if the Cowboys running game shows the improvement that I'm expecting it would keep this offense moving and producing. Last year I would have fully agreed with the statement this year I think we could overcome an injury like that if we had to.

 

[the kid 05]

No one on this roster, could even preform to 50% of what T.O if he was to go down.

If T.O goes down, our offensive is screwed.

i dunno, i think our young guys are preped enough to step in and do half of what terrell does and as a group do what he does maybe what he and terry did

 

[stealth]

Your hypothesis assumes that a healthy Glenn is a possibility.

I don't think a healthy Glenn exists anymore.

I think you are completely wrong based on every single thing I have read about Glenn's knee. Not from Jerry.

 

[Tovya]

No one on this roster, could even preform to 50% of what T.O if he was to go down.

If T.O goes down, our offensive is screwed.

Of course, and no one in this league could (save for Randy Moss maybe)...

But, if the worst does happen, someone has to step in, and Joe Horn ain't the one.

We don't need another receiver assuming the offense stays healthy all around... Crayton will serve the role as #2 better this year than last, I assure you.

But, I think most fans gripe about the receiver corps isn't that we can't score enough with the current cast, but the injury intangibles that may happen.

I don't want Crayton in that role, nor do I want Horn or Glenn.... no solution is really perfect.. but it's about taking your options that are available and choosing the best one.

Joe Horn on our squad is just a waste of a roster slot and cap room because he's not making the team better in the best or worse scenario... I'd rather have Miles Austin filing the role than him because at least he can move.

 

[Stash]

I think you are completely wrong based on every single thing I have read about Glenn's knee. Not from Jerry.

What have you read?

I'd be interested to see it.

As long as it's not comments from Glenn himself or his teammates.

 

[TheCount]

Again, I'd rather roll the dice Glenn can come back or that one of our current crop would step up.

Crayton has done more the last 2 years than Horn has be a huge margin.

Horn...64 receptions, 922 yards, 5 scores.

Crayton...86 catches, 1213 yards, 11 scores.

I'd rather stand pat than with him than waste time on Horn who has faded in prodcution for 4 straight seasons. Crayton on the other hand has improved each of his 4 years in the NFL so far.

Horn has also played in just 22 games to Crayton's 31 in that stretch, might want to throw that in there.

Not that I want Horn here, but quoting figures will never tell the whole story, just the story you want to tell in most situations.

If I wanted to prop up Joe, I'd bring up that fact that the last time he had a competent QB throwing to him (2006), he averaged 18.4 yards per catch to Crayton's 13.9 last year. Not bad for an old man.

He's certainly over the hill and past his prime, but you are making it seem like he's the worst option there is when that's not the case.

 

[stealth]

What have you read?

I'd be interested to see it.

As long as it's not comments from Glenn himself or his teammates.

What have you read not from the mouth of jerry?

I read a ton a day, listen to sports radio in dallas most of the day, I don't take notes.

Jerry has put out there that Terry is more hurt than he is so another team won't touch him and it gives him leverage in the whole thing.

Is Glenn's knee an issue and a worry, sure, but my gut says Terry is ready to play and egos are involved now.

 

[Stash]

What have you read not from the mouth of jerry?

I read a ton a day, listen to sports radio in dallas most of the day, I don't take notes.

Jerry has put out there that Terry is more hurt than he is so another team won't touch him and it gives him leverage in the whole thing.

Is Glenn's knee an issue and a worry, sure, but my gut says Terry is ready to play and egos are involved now.

So I should trust your 'gut'?

Sorry, I don't.

 

[stealth]

So I should trust your 'gut'?

Sorry, I don't.

and yet you trust your own

 

[Stash]

and yet you trust your own

I trust the facts.

The fact that the guy couln't play practically all of last season.

The fact that when he did return, he contributed nothing.

The fact that he couldn't pass a physical and refuses to take another one.

And the fact that he won't sign a waiver against further injuring his knee.

That's what I trust.