New Wide Out?...Joe Horn

[Stash]

Obviously, the team needs to be willing to let him go. But what about T Holt? He's an older WR on a rebuilding team. He had at least one publicized incident on the sidelines with his HC. He runs great routes and would be the perfect complement to TO. Temperamentally, he's just what we need. Basically, he's Terry Glenn with more (deserved) hype and healthy knees.

Certainly would be a nice option, but I have my doubts that the Rams would be willing to part with him. Lenahan is facing a win or else year in St. Louis, and the team just parted ways with Isaac Bruce.

I think the last thing the Rams would be looking to do would be to trade what little established depth they have at receiver.

 

[Hostile]

What about someone a bit lower on the receiver list?

Any of those mentioned would be great, but if they're not obtainable, who else would you consider?

I was under the impression it needed to be someone who can be the #1 guy in case Owens gets injured.

Limits the list a bit. Who else besides the 3 guys I mentioned is there?

Horn doesn't fit.

Jones doesn't.

Glenn does, but he may not ever play again for all we know.

I haven't seen mentions of Torry Holt on the move other than his brother saying Torry wants to play with him for the Panthers before he retires.

If Johnson, Bolden, and Williams are not attainable I'd just as soon roll the dice on Glenn. That's just me.

 

[Idgit]

Holt's probably not available. It's just if I were the GM of the Rams, I'd listen to offers for him, and I think he'd be a better fit here than someone like Chad Johnson.

Nobody who's readily available is going to be a sure upgrade. We either have to sit tight and/or hope TG can return, or pay a premium for a legitimate option. I have no problem exploring the later and then ending up doing the former.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

I was under the impression it needed to be someone who can be the #1 guy in case Owens gets injured.

Limits the list a bit. Who else besides the 3 guys I mentioned is there?

Horn doesn't fit.

Jones doesn't.

Glenn does, but he may not ever play again for all we know.

I haven't seen mentions of Torry Holt on the move other than his brother saying Torry wants to play with him for the Panthers before he retires.

If Johnson, Bolden, and Williams are not attainable I'd just as soon roll the dice on Glenn. That's just me.

I would like to see Glenn come back as well. Glenn is really posturing without any leverage. Jerry knows this as well, so he is being patient and checking on another possibility to keep the pressure on Terry.

 

[Stash]

I was under the impression it needed to be someone who can be the #1 guy in case Owens gets injured.

Limits the list a bit. Who else besides the 3 guys I mentioned is there?

Horn doesn't fit.

Jones doesn't.

Glenn does, but he may not ever play again for all we know.

I haven't seen mentions of Torry Holt on the move other than his brother saying Torry wants to play with him for the Panthers before he retires.

If Johnson, Bolden, and Williams are not attainable I'd just as soon roll the dice on Glenn. That's just me.

Like I said, nobody can replace Owens.

This team will be hurting if he's out no matter what.

But my thinking is that having another experienced option might lessen that 'hurt' a bit.

Like everyone else, I would love to get Boldin or Williams, but the realist in me makes me doubt that it can be done. At that point, I look for options the team might have a better chance of getting.

 

[dougonthebench]

no thanks...

 

[Tovya]

Like I said, nobody can replace Owens.

This team will be hurting if he's out no matter what.

But my thinking is that having another experienced option might lessen that 'hurt' a bit.

Like everyone else, I would love to get Boldin or Williams, but the realist in me makes me doubt that it can be done. At that point, I look for options the team might have a better chance of getting.

Oh yeah, I'd take either Boldin or Williams... but having Boldin would be just too sweet. I can't even imagine having Owens and Boldin lining up opposite of each other with the year I think Romo is going to have... it's almost as good as that dream I had of Jessica Simpson cheating on Tony Romo with me ;-)

 

[Hostile]

Like I said, nobody can replace Owens.

This team will be hurting if he's out no matter what.

But my thinking is that having another experienced option might lessen that 'hurt' a bit.

Like everyone else, I would love to get Boldin or Williams, but the realist in me makes me doubt that it can be done. At that point, I look for options the team might have a better chance of getting.

Of course no one is going to come in who is at Owens level. So what then, waive the white flag and play for draft picks?

Jerry Rice is more experienced than Joe Horn and can probably outplay him even now. Should we go after him?

Horn had 27 catches for 243 yards and 1 score.

Forgive me, I have more faith in Crayton, Hurd, Miles, and Stanback than I do Joe Horn. I have a whole lot more faith in Glenn, even in his tenuous condition. A few years ago, no problem. Not enough Geritol in the metroplex for that dinosaur.

 

[Stash]

Of course no one is going to come in who is at Owens level. So what then, waive the white flag and play for draft picks?

Quite the opposite. I'd rather have other options other than relative unknowns.

Jerry Rice is more experienced than Joe Horn and can probably outplay him even now. Should we go after him?

Horn had 27 catches for 243 yards and 1 score.

How many catches and yards did Terry Glenn have last year?

Forgive me, I have more faith in Crayton, Hurd, Miles, and Stanback than I do Joe Horn. I have a whole lot more faith in Glenn, even in his tenuous condition. A few years ago, no problem. Not enough Geritol in the metroplex for that dinosaur.

I have zero faith in Glenn. About as much as he seems to have in himself, given that he won't gamble on his own health and sign the waiver the Cowboys are asking him to.

Horn sure isn't what he once was, but the odds are that he'd actually be physically able to play. I can't say the same for Terry Glenn.

 

[Tovya]

Quite the opposite. I'd rather have other options other than relative unknowns.

How many catches and yards did Terry Glenn have last year?

I have zero faith in Glenn. About as much as he seems to have in himself, given that he won't gamble on his own health and sign the waiver the Cowboys are asking him to.

I don't think it's lack of faith in his own health as much as it is principal...

Jerry had an agreement with him, and now after giving his all to us (and getting hurt as a result of his commitment to excellence, in his own opinion) Jerry wants to change the terms of the original agreement.

Yes, I know, it happens everyday in the NFL... but I have always been a little mixed feeling-wise on whether or not I like the current system.

I like it because some hot shot can't have a killer season and then say "screw it" and stop playing hard because he got paid (i.e., Eric Dampier of the Mavs)...

But at the same time, as in Glenn's case, Jerry knew before he signed him originally that Glenn's knees have always been questionable, and certainly didn't get any better in all these years playing for us.

Anyone who's ever had knee problems (such as myself) knows that once you screw your knee up once, it's never the same after you "fix" them (through surgery or rehab or both).

Therefore, Glenn, in the spirit of principal, is sticking to his guns because he believes that his knees gradual wearing were in part due to his on field commitment to the Cowboys... and he expects the Cowboys to maintain the same commitment to him.

Sure, maybe another team would pay him with the same contractual clauses established... but he would be okay with it because that's the agreement HE is making with them.

In the case with Jerry, he is being told, "I'm tearing up our old agreement, and giving you another one.. .take it or leave it." And Glenn finds this unacceptable.

Although I selfishly want him to play for us, I can't be mad at him for sticking to his guns.

I guess this just kinda opens up a new thread at some point on our opinions of a new CBA.

 

[windward]

Meh. This move would do nothing for me.

 

[iceberg]

Meh. This move would do nothing for me.

well, it would make me have that taste of bile at the back of my throat.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't think it's lack of faith in his own health as much as it is principal...

Jerry had an agreement with him, and now after giving his all to us (and getting hurt as a result of his commitment to excellence, in his own opinion) Jerry wants to change the terms of the original agreement.

Yes, I know, it happens everyday in the NFL... but I have always been a little mixed feeling-wise on whether or not I like the current system.

I like it because some hot shot can't have a killer season and then say "screw it" and stop playing hard because he got paid (i.e., Eric Dampier of the Mavs)...

But at the same time, as in Glenn's case, Jerry knew before he signed him originally that Glenn's knees have always been questionable, and certainly didn't get any better in all these years playing for us.

Anyone who's ever had knee problems (such as myself) knows that once you screw your knee up once, it's never the same after you "fix" them (through surgery or rehab or both).

Therefore, Glenn, in the spirit of principal, is sticking to his guns because he believes that his knees gradual wearing were in part due to his on field commitment to the Cowboys... and he expects the Cowboys to maintain the same commitment to him.

Sure, maybe another team would pay him with the same contractual clauses established... but he would be okay with it because that's the agreement HE is making with them.

In the case with Jerry, he is being told, "I'm tearing up our old agreement, and giving you another one.. .take it or leave it." And Glenn finds this unacceptable.

Although I selfishly want him to play for us, I can't be mad at him for sticking to his guns.

I guess this just kinda opens up a new thread at some point on our opinions of a new CBA.

I agree with you and see both sides. Terry has to do what is in his best interest but by the same token Jerry has to do what is the best for his team. Jerry has proven time and again he is not a cheap sake owner, he pays his guys well but given the situation with Glenn and the fact that Terry missed all of last year and the knee condition is still a major question mark I clearly think Jerry is doing what he feels is in the team’s best interest.

 

[stealth]

Apparently Glenn and Jerry are postering with each other. I heard that Glenn was offered a 385k contract and was going to sign it. Then the Cowboys' organization found out that could pay him 345k instead, per league rules. On the day that contract was to be signed they presented Glenn with the 345k contract and now Terry feels like they are trying to slight him and it has turned into an ego thing between both sides.

If that's true I agree with Glenn.


That all said Joe Horn feels like a pawn in the game Jerry is playing with Terry.

mary mary quite contrary

 

[Hostile]

Quite the opposite. I'd rather have other options other than relative unknowns.



How many catches and yards did Terry Glenn have last year?



I have zero faith in Glenn. About as much as he seems to have in himself, given that he won't gamble on his own health and sign the waiver the Cowboys are asking him to.

Horn sure isn't what he once was, but the odds are that he'd actually be physically able to play. I can't say the same for Terry Glenn.

Again, I'd rather roll the dice Glenn can come back or that one of our current crop would step up.

Crayton has done more the last 2 years than Horn has be a huge margin.

Horn...64 receptions, 922 yards, 5 scores.

Crayton...86 catches, 1213 yards, 11 scores.

I'd rather stand pat than with him than waste time on Horn who has faded in prodcution for 4 straight seasons. Crayton on the other hand has improved each of his 4 years in the NFL so far.

 

[windward]

well, it would make me have that taste of bile at the back of my throat.

Yeah. This would be a good move if it were 1999.

Has anyone signed Carl Pickens yet?

 

[Hostile]

Yeah. This would be a good move if it were 1999.

Has anyone signed Carl Pickens yet?

Damn, that stung.

I was so jazzed when we got him. You should have heard me spouting off. The laughter hasn't died down yet.

 

[Tovya]

I agree with you and see both sides. Terry has to do what is in his best interest but by the same token Jerry has to do what is the best for his team. Jerry has proven time and again he is not a cheap sake owner, he pays his guys well but given the situation with Glenn and the fact that Terry missed all of last year and the knee condition is still a major question mark I clearly think Jerry is doing what he feels is in the team’s best interest.

Right, no doubt.

My thought is, that unless we are saving our '08 cap room for some sort of move for another receiver, then we should fork over the small amount of money that is being discussed and take the gamble... afterall, according to everyone, it's SB or bust this year. And if Glenn is healthy like he (and Romo, and Witten, etc) claim, then I think it's a worthy risk for the big prize.

Joe Horn will be no better than having Patrick Crayton as the #2, so it's a waste in my opinion.

Now if there is some serious discussion behind the scenes (and not simply fantasy) that we really may land Boldin or Williams, then by all means let's just move on and forget about Glenn.

But if all of this talk about a great receiver opposite of T.O. is simply wishful thinking, then we will be team worse off without him (even if we were to bump Glenn to the #3).

I still hold to my opinion that Crayton is going to have a very good year and will make a nice compliment to Owens more this season than last. But unless we are bringing in someone who can give us that true deep threat, then it's better to leave things be.

 

[windward]

Damn, that stung.

I was so jazzed when we got him. You should have heard me spouitng off. The laughter hasn't died down yet.

It's ok, I was gung ho in favor of that move as well.

I think Dale was leading that bandwagon back then.

 

[Stash]

Damn, that stung.

I was so jazzed when we got him. You should have heard me spouting off. The laughter hasn't died down yet.

Yeah, I fell into that one as well....