Newman vs. Vasher...Dollars and Cents

[stilltheguru]

And lets not forget the almighty Champ getting toasted by jerry porter on national tv. And its so funny because when Champ was a skin i bet this same firebird guy was saying how overrated he is. Now he wants to hype up bailey. Bet you wish you still had him instead of that overrated rb you got huh?


Furthermore you wanna talk about Champs 10 pics. Can you name the teams he got those pics from?


Im sure we'll see some raiders,niners,chargers in there somewhere because we all know those teams have dynamic wr's.



Trust me i probrably pay attention to the cornerback position more than any on the football field and if you think newman is not a top 3 cb and you have watched all 17 cowboy games from last year. Not to mention most of all the other top cbs games something is wrong with you.


CHARLES WOODSON BETTER THAN NEWMAN?????

Stop listening to eric allen.

 

[firehawk350]

And lets not forget the almighty Champ getting toasted by jerry porter on national tv. And its so funny because when Champ was a skin i bet this same firebird guy was saying how overrated he is. Now he wants to hype up bailey. Bet you wish you still had him instead of that overrated rb you got huh?

Overrated RB? Oh okay dude, shows how much you know. Before last year, he was considered a top 5 back. He was out for over half the season and most people aren't even including him in the top 10 list.

As far as when Bailey was a Skin, I thought he would be the next elite CB.

Furthermore you wanna talk about Champs 10 pics. Can you name the teams he got those pics from?

Well, 10 picks, no matter how you spin it, is much better then 1. Newman only picked off INT machine Eli. Not like we're talking about an elite QB here.

Trust me i probrably pay attention to the cornerback position more than any on the football field and if you think newman is not a top 3 cb and you have watched all 17 cowboy games from last year. Not to mention most of all the other top cbs games something is wrong with you.

Hello incoherent statement. Are you saying if I don't think Newman is a top 3 CB, something is wrong with me, or are you saying that if I watched all the NFL games, something is wrong with me?

Anyways, nobody I've read that can have any claim to unbiased says Newman is better then a top 10-20 CB. Nobody has even mentioned him in the elite category.

CHARLES WOODSON BETTER THAN NEWMAN?????

Yeah, and my favorite part of this post is where you used facts to back up your statements... 8 picks to Newman's 1. 21 passes defensed to Newman's 11. Are you going to bring any type of fact to support your statement, or are you going to just try to cover it up with this dribble?

 

[burmafrd]

John Clayton put Newman as the best CB in the game in 2005. So, dumbhawk, you are owned.

 

[Vintage]

Yeah, and my favorite part of this post is where you used facts to back up your statements... 8 picks to Newman's 1. 21 passes defensed to Newman's 11. Are you going to bring any type of fact to support your statement, or are you going to just try to cover it up with this dribble?

Deion Sanders averaged 3.78 INTs per season and 8.8 passes defensed per season.

Anthony Henry averaged 3.67 INTs per season and 10.5 passes defensed per season.

Using you criteria of stats, I proved Henry is on Sanders' level.

 

[Vintage]

John Clayton put Newman as the best CB in the game in 2005. So, dumbhawk, you are owned.

Owned because of something John Clayton said?

LOL....

Weak attempt at owning someone.

 

[burmafrd]

All he wanted is someone who is not a boys fan. Clayton qualifies.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Nathan Vasher has a D-line that produced pressure in the past, therefore it created more bad throws...

 

[stilltheguru]

And the overrating of Champ continues. And you're lucky i dont know how to do the quotes right but you get my point.lol

Overrated RB? Oh okay dude, shows how much you know. Before last year, he was considered a top 5 back. He was out for over half the season and most people aren't even including him in the top 10 list.

As far as when Bailey was a Skin, I thought he would be the next elite CB.


He was considered top 5 in whos eyes? Maybe in most DC fans minds but he was'nt in mine as soon as he got his butt shipped to Washington. He has been very inconsistent and injury prone since he left Denver. I dont see whats so great about him. What i did see was Ladell Betts run better than Portis did last year tho.

Well, 10 picks, no matter how you spin it, is much better then 1. Newman only picked off INT machine Eli. Not like we're talking about an elite QB here.



Were those 10 ints all from his suffocating coverage, or were some of them tipped balls? I mean cmon, he got a interception touchdown on the niners from a tipped ball that i bet newman wishes he saw dangling in front of his face.

Pick 1)Lets see he got a pic of Steve Mcnair throwing a pass to the great Clarence Moore.ooooooooh impressive.

Pick 2)Next game against the All-time great Andrew Walter


Pick 3)Next game against the great Charlie Frye.WOWZERS!


Next game of course they play the Colts and he does nothing. Darn, if only he could play Andrew Walter and Charlie Frye for the rest of his career. But back to the 10 pic breakdown.


Pick 4 and 5)Against "int machine" Big Ben Roethlisberger who i think led all qbs in ints.

Pick 6) Against the Seahawks. Finally a interception worth mentioning.


Pick 7 and 8) Against Matt Lienhart. AMAZING! *Tries to recall him even looking Newmans way when Dallas played Arizona*


Pick 9) Carson Palmer. I remember that play and thats why Champ is the best. But YOU are overrating him like hes some Deion like cb and hes not.


Pick 10) Tipped pass against the niners.


All in all im not impressed.





Hello incoherent statement. Are you saying if I don't think Newman is a top 3 CB, something is wrong with me, or are you saying that if I watched all the NFL games, something is wrong with me?

Anyways, nobody I've read that can have any claim to unbiased says Newman is better then a top 10-20 CB. Nobody has even mentioned him in the elite category.




Yeah, and my favorite part of this post is where you used facts to back up your statements... 8 picks to Newman's 1. 21 passes defensed to Newman's 11. Are you going to bring any type of fact to support your statement, or are you going to just try to cover it up with this dribble?

 

[LatinMind]

Nath Vasher 2004 rookie yr
career numbers
120 tackles 16 int's 17 pass def

Terence Newman
2004 to 2006
190 tackles 8 int's 53 pass def

Newman is a better tackler, vasher is the better playmaker, newman gets thrown at more, deflections indicate that. some of that is the product of that bears defense. maybe dallas should take a page out of the bears book, and sign newman now to an extension, to make it relativley cheaper, then just a whole new deal. it would be a stupid thing to sign newman to a 6-8 yr deal for a ridiculous amount of money when he'll be 30, and turning 31 when he gets his new deal, that is if dallas decides to wait. newman is roughly two yrs older then clements, and 4 yrs older then vasher.

that with the impending Romo contract, most likely a 40-50 mil deal over 5-6 yrs. And the possibility of a 65 mil deal if dallas does indeed get the #1 pick overall. could the cowboys afford to also pay newman? This one of the reason i dont think LJ will be in Dallas either. or Dallas will sign, Flozell, or julius. Also remember If Hamlin is indeed the key for FS, he'll get a bigger deal too. As will Colombo if he proves his worth, Dallas has promised to take care of him. Ferguson Might be cut because of an impeding newman deal. Canty is due a new contract as his expires next yr. Barbers expires in 08. Dallas has alot more to think bout then satisfying newmans needs. He signed a rich rookie contract, greed shouldnt be in his heart. But dollar signs have no conscience.

Dont laugh, or judge when I say the smartest thing to do could be to frachise Newman for a few yrs. He wont be happy, but he'll be paid a hefty sum of money. Maybe he should "take one for the team" as Ellis did. See if he's making them jokes when Jerry tells him, I dont talk to people under contract.

For me its a team concept, whatevers best for the team. Owens has been labeled a Me first player, but his contract goes down every yr. Not once has he said restructure. When the time comes, will the Newman who talks like he's a team first kind of player show up? Or will the greed come out?

Vasher got 28 mil with 14 in guarantees over 5 yrs. I'd like to see newman get a 5 yr deal for 35, with 17 mil guaranteed over the first 3 with minimum to livable base salaries. Newman has been good, but he hasnt been great. He's not worth 80 mil, or even 50 mil. His age and lack of playmaking ability are what keeps him from being Elite. 3 years for newman, and let him try to find a big deal someplace else. Dallas has youth across the board. With two exceptions. WR, and CB. Time to dedicate a couple of drafts.

Newmans Clock is ticking, Hopefully its not a bomb with a faulty Timer.

 

[Vintage]

Why did you take a post that someone else already made and repost it?

 

[carphalen5150]

Why did you take a post that someone else already made and repost it?

:laugh2:

I am going to cut and paste some stuff and call it my view.

 

[LatinMind]

Nath Vasher 2004 rookie yr
career numbers
120 tackles 16 int's 17 pass def

Terence Newman
2004 to 2006
190 tackles 8 int's 53 pass def

Newman is a better tackler, vasher is the better playmaker, newman gets thrown at more, deflections indicate that. some of that is the product of that bears defense. maybe dallas should take a page out of the bears book, and sign newman now to an extension, to make it relativley cheaper, then just a whole new deal. it would be a stupid thing to sign newman to a 6-8 yr deal for a ridiculous amount of money when he'll be 30, and turning 31 when he gets his new deal, that is if dallas decides to wait. newman is roughly two yrs older then clements, and 4 yrs older then vasher.

that with the impending Romo contract, most likely a 40-50 mil deal over 5-6 yrs. And the possibility of a 65 mil deal if dallas does indeed get the #1 pick overall. could the cowboys afford to also pay newman? This one of the reason i dont think LJ will be in Dallas either. or Dallas will sign, Flozell, or julius. Also remember If Hamlin is indeed the key for FS, he'll get a bigger deal too. As will Colombo if he proves his worth, Dallas has promised to take care of him. Ferguson Might be cut because of an impeding newman deal. Canty is due a new contract as his expires next yr. Barbers expires in 08. Dallas has alot more to think bout then satisfying newmans needs. He signed a rich rookie contract, greed shouldnt be in his heart. But dollar signs have no conscience.

Dont laugh, or judge when I say the smartest thing to do could be to frachise his *** for a few yrs. He wont be happy, but he'll be paid a hefty sum of money. Maybe he should "take one for the team" as Ellis did. See if he's making them jokes when Jerry tells him, I dont talk to people under contract.

For me its a team concept, whatevers best for the team. Owens has been labeled a Me first player, but his contract goes down every yr. Not once has he said restructure. When the time comes, will the Newman who talks like he's a team first kind of player show up? Or will the greed come out?

Vasher got 28 mil with 14 in guarantees over 5 yrs. I'd like to see newman get a 5 yr deal for 35, with 17 mil guaranteed over the first 3 with minimum to livable base salaries. Newman has been good, but he hasnt been great. He's not worth 80 mil, or even 50 mil. His age and lack of playmaking ability are what keeps him from being Elite. 3 years for newman, and let him try to find a big deal someplace else. Dallas has youth across the board. With two exceptions. WR, and CB. Time to dedicate a couple of drafts.

Newmans Clock is ticking, Hopefully its not a bomb with a faulty Timer.

lol wow i didnt even know somebody had taken my post over here.

 

[Vintage]

:laugh2:

I am going to cut and paste some stuff and call it my view.

I was actually going to create a 3rd thread and do it....just as a joke (obviously)...

But I am not sure which mods are on right now....and with my luck, it wouldn't be the couple whom I know would take it just as a joke and not get upset.

 

[LatinMind]

Why did you take a post that someone else already made and repost it?

because this person took my post from either dallascowboyfansunited.com or cowboyspride.net and posted it here without giving me credit. and simply retitled it

 

[carphalen5150]

So who wrote this and who is passing it off as theirs?

 

[Vintage]

lol wow i didnt even know somebody had taken my post over here.

That was your's....?

LOL, now that is even funnier....

 

[LatinMind]

typed this last night

http://www.dallascowboyfansunited.com/forums/showthread.php?t=438

 

[burmafrd]

Newman does not get a lot ints. THAT DOES NOT MEAN HE DOES NOT MAKE PLAYS. That is BS- by the mediots and BSPN. A play means he stops what would have been a sure catch by batting the ball away, tearing it from the WRs arms, deflecting it or picking it. Its only MORONS that think INTS are the only PLAYS.

 

[LatinMind]

Newman does not get a lot ints. THAT DOES NOT MEAN HE DOES NOT MAKE PLAYS. That is BS- by the mediots and BSPN. A play means he stops what would have been a sure catch by batting the ball away, tearing it from the WRs arms, deflecting it or picking it. Its only MORONS that think INTS are the only PLAYS.

i think newman doesnt get thrown to because of whos playing opposite him rather then teams being affraid to throw to his side. and no he doesnt stop alot of passes thrown to him. he stops some, but he allows alot of stuff under, crossing routes and slants. why? because he is weak on them double move routes, as we saw in 04. thats why he plays off so much. to stay away from that double move. he's good, and better then alot of cb's. but i just dont think with his age, and his lack of turnovers(and the tons of would be int's hes dropped) that dallas needs to pay him really anymore then what vasher got.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Sorry, I don't believe it. The original post here has capital letters.

Although it did try to prop Owens for not asking for a new contract after one season. So I do believe it.