News: Cowboys still bottoming out since Jimmy Johnson's exit; here's why

[Idgit]

Gosselin is an idiot, too. But he's right here. We've done well early, and in CFA, but we need to improve in rounds 4-7. That's where we've come up short.

Not sure what the pot shots at McClay are about, though. I mean, other than being a plea for more negative attention.

 

[TheDude]

Gosselin is an idiot, too. But he's right here. We've done well early, and in CFA, but we need to improve in rounds 4-7. That's where we've come up short.

Not sure what the pot shots at McClay are about, though. I mean, other than being a plea for more negative attention.

Seems a legit counterpoint. It is a yen and yang to the "draft guru" moniker given in another article in another thread.

I dont have an opinion on McClay, there's some good and some not so good

 

[BigStar]

This is a difficult arena to place full confidence when presented. The numbers at the bottom of Dallas drafts, just haven't proven out as a positive for the Cowboys in recent years. Agreed. But the bottom numbers used here, don't include a high number of non-drafted players who ended up as strong producers and starters as well. That is among the league's best in numbers.

Apples n Oranges

 

[jobberone]

The offensive side has success, and priorities dominated direction recently. With the offensive line and it's depth, and a good franchise quarterback, with a top shelf receiver, and a solid running group...they can be more selective now, as to depth at WR and QB. One more needs to be added at RB.

On the defensive side, the scouting department is zeroing in on candidates that fit the Marinelli defensive scheme and positional demands. This will be the start of year three in his system, and it generally takes to year four to start holding a changed system to shoulder all evaluations as to effectiveness.

Managing the future in the secondary, is a problem at present, but that has opportunity to reflect and improve as well.

The bulk of talent presently at defensive line, is young. But there is talent there. Add something like a Wilkerson via a trade down with the Jets, or a sudden pick at defensive line at #4, and that group could quickly reflect a stronger future.

I really don't see despair right now.

I would throw in a talented strong side linebacker, to defensive end, defensive tackle, strong safety, and cornerback...and all real basics have been improved significantly. That is five positions that could be added in the first four rounds, and upgraded as to the defense, significantly.

This would leave a RB, QB, and WR still needing influx...and that is where the late round picks could surface. But there are currently no 5th and 7th round picks. So, how can Dallas really improve in what is being thrown up as a valid deficiency?

I don't see despair but feel hope esp after 2014. We aren't the dregs but to be more consistent we need better talent thruout the roster.

 

[BigStar]

It's fairly obviously that he picked exactly 2008 to skew this stat, as well.

7 years in this age of the NFL is plenty of time for a FO/HC to prove something in terms of talent evaluation; cherry picked or not, etc.

 

[BigStar]

Please. Jimmy brought something new. It got old. You couldn't get the players he valued by trading back anymore.

It's a typical college guy deal. Comes in and is effective for a few years.

The best pro coaches are able to keep that up year after year

SEA says "Hello" They need to start working on that O if they want to really compete and think Russell is a tad overrated as a pure passer if put in the pocket in a vertical oriented offense like DAL employs. We should be in the NE/NO range in terms of creativity with Romo 100% but lack that bc of the HC, and then the SEA/DEN gameplans without him once the D isn't a joke and a true RB to take on the load to utilize the great OL we have.

Drafting Wentz/Goff/even Lynch would allow this aggressive passing Offense to be incorporated once Romo is either out or retires down the line, etc. Best of both worlds and would only require an avg D (use the money to resign the OL) to compete for the playoffs/SB long term.

 

[Hardline]

The foundation of Jimmy success in drafting was the Hershel Walker trade.

 

[LittleD]

The foundation of Jimmy success in drafting was the Hershel Walker trade.

AND, no free agency. Teams had almost total control over players. If you developed and liked a player, you could keep him and not see
him walk out the door after 3 or 4 years.

 

[bodi]

plus he knew most of them and their coaches

a little in side info does not hurt

 

[Plankton]

The foundation of Jimmy success in drafting was the Hershel Walker trade.

Take some time and research the Eric Dickerson trade by the Rams, look at their potential haul in terms of picks, and let me know how it turned out.

It wasn't just the Walker trade - it was what was done with the selections.

 

[plasticman]

Thank you Rick, but tell me.....

How many undrafted free agent quarterbacks with All Pro credentials did Wolf discover? How many undrafted free agent receivers made multiple Pro Bowls?

When your team wins a lot you get the "residual" Pro Bowl designations for some of your 2nd tier guys. Everybody undeestands that.

Im not saying that the Cowboys were great at drafting but the Packers? Please!

They stole Favre from the Falcons, didnt draft him. They were gifted Rogers.

How did 2nd round pick, QB Brian Brohm work out for them?

Im not sure that the Packers were the right choice ti make this point.

 

[visionary]

Ummm...... Shouldn't an article with so many inconvenient truths be in the Rant zone?

We would not want the natives to be exposed to this sort of stuff

 

[Hardline]

Take some time and research the Eric Dickerson trade by the Rams, look at their potential haul in terms of picks, and let me know how it turned out.

It wasn't just the Walker trade - it was what was done with the selections.

Not discounting what you said but shear numbers increase your odds of hitting on draft picks. The Dickerson trade didn't result in the numbers the Walker trade did.

 

[Nova]

Seriously... ?

The packers have only drafted two pro-bowlers in late rounds since 2001 also.

The same number as us.

 

[Nova]

While I agree that we need more from late round selections, the logic in this article is garbage.

 

[Dodger12]

Not discounting what you said but shear numbers increase your odds of hitting on draft picks. The Dickerson trade didn't result in the numbers the Walker trade did.

Tell me how sheer numbers worked out for us in 2009. We had 12 picks in a 7 round draft and it was one of the worst drafts in Cowboys history.

It's amazing that we make these ridiculous excuses for our current era of Cowboys football to explain away our futility and now we're making excuses for the era that brought us a dynasty and 3 SB trophies.

 

[Nova]

Tell me how sheer numbers worked out for us in 2009. We had 12 picks in a 7 round draft and it was one of the worst drafts in Cowboys history.

It's amazing that we make these ridiculous excuses for our current era of Cowboys football to explain away our futility and now we're making excuses for the era that brought us a dynasty and 3 SB trophies.

Well that's not exactly an excuse. It's truth.

More draft picks means a better shot at finding your guy.

Larry Allen was a 2nd round pick...but he was also the third second rounder we had that year IIRC. Any other year and we probably don't get him.

As far as 2009 goes-- that was a terrible draft all around. From round 4 and up, there were only 7 pro bowlers.

Only one was selected in the 7th round, and he was a punter.

Speaking of which 3 of the 7 were punters. One is a STer who, in no possible way, is a better player than Dwayne Harris.

And for the final three, Johnny Knox is out of the league after suffering a broken back, glover and Quinn struggled mightily the first few years.

Leaving only Henry Melton... Who also now is average due to injuries. And he was the highest pick of those 7.

 

[Nova]

I don't want to make it seem like I'm making excuses, but this article needs balance.

On the flip side, what other team has drafted 5 all pros in the first 3 rounds since 2010? And that's not even including Sean Lee.

And what team has gotten Ron Leary, La'el Collins, and Cole Beasley as undrafted free agents?

 

[Dodger12]

Well that's not exactly an excuse. It's truth.

Sorry but it's not and you prove my point below.

Larry Allen was a 2nd round pick...but he was also the third second rounder we had that year IIRC. Any other year and we probably don't get him.

We had 3 second round picks in 1994? Really? If you're going to formulate an opinion based on "facts", at least have your facts accurate, especially if they formulate the basis for your opinion.

 

[Section446]

"Twenty-five teams have found a Pro Bowl player since 2008 in rounds 4-7. But not the Cowboys."

Is this any where close to the definition of luck?

No, we just suck at drafting, and for some reason, we're unwilling to actually play our draft picks.