Next Time we Discuss Dak's Stats

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TimHortons said:
It's a conversation forum. If you can't deal with debate and discussion then don't be here. And again with the personal insults. Like you're calling mellenials immature but you're the one turning to personal insults on an internet forum
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It’s not an insult. It’s true.
 
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Toruk_Makto said:
Are you following along at all? This is literally a conversation about stats lying verses the eye test. You call Dak's day against Philly Outstanding. His qbr for that game was 14th in the NFL that week. 19th against Atlanta. 12th last week. 23rd against the Titans and 23rd on the season.

You are literally proving my point. If you've watched Dak the last month and think he's been "outstanding" any individual week then I'm not sure if you understand what you see. No offense.
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lol - yet here you are arguing the stats if you take away those two plays. I guess stats only count when you can falsely skew them to fabricate a point, right?

I've also discussed the eye test, and said that I think Dak played well. I've conceded he hasn't played at an elite level, but I've also disputed your assertion that he somehow played horribly most of the Commander game. That's nonsense.

And now you are somehow trying to argue that two plays in the Commander game somehow detracts from what he did in the Eagle and Falcon games as well. That's a laughable argument.

As for the Eagles game, he had a 102 passer rating. You are saying that is bad? lol Even if it were true that was only good enough for 14th that week, which I seriously doubt, it's a stat, right? I thought you said stats didn't matter. ​

I'll easily concede he was average in the Falcons game, with the team relying more on running and defense, but even then he was far from horrible. He played a moderate game within the context of how the game circumstances played out.

And, of course, that was just one of the 3 weeks. Where did his QB ranking fall the overall in those three weeks? Care to enlighten us on that? No, of course you don't.
 
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lol - yet here you are arguing the stats if you take away those two plays. I guess stats only count when you can falsely skew them to fabricate a point, right?

I've also discussed the eye test, and said that I think Dak played well. I've conceded he hasn't played at an elite level, but I've also disputed your assertion that he somehow played horribly most of the Commander game. That's nonsense.

And now you are somehow trying to argue that two plays in the Commander game somehow detracts from what he did in the Eagle and Falcon games as well. That's a laughable argument.

As for the Eagles game, he had a 102 passer rating. You are saying that is bad? lol Even if it were true that was only good enough for 14th that week, which I seriously doubt, it's a stat, right? I thought you said stats didn't matter. ​

I'll easily concede he was average in the Falcons game, with the team relying more on running and defense, but even then he wasn't horrible. He played a moderate game within the context of how the game circumstances played out. And, as you said, he was 14th in QB rating that week. That's not elite, but it's far from horrible.

And, of course, that was just one of the 3 weeks. Where did his QB ranking fall the other 2? Care to enlighten us on that? Of course you don't.
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Damn Omer..... Ya killin’ him! LMAO :lmao:
 
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OmerV said:
lol - yet here you are arguing the stats if you take away those two plays. I guess stats only count when you can falsely skew them to fabricate a point, right?

I've also discussed the eye test, and said that I think Dak played well. I've conceded he hasn't played at an elite level, but I've also disputed your assertion that he somehow played horribly most of the Commander game. That's nonsense.

And now you are somehow trying to argue that two plays in the Commander game somehow detracts from what he did in the Eagle and Falcon games as well. That's a laughable argument.

As for the Eagles game, he had a 102 passer rating. You are saying that is bad? lol​

I'll easily concede he was average in the Falcons game, with the team relying more on running and defense, but even then he wasn't horrible. He played a moderate game within the context of how the game circumstances played out. And, as you said, he was 14th in QB rating that week. That's not elite, but it's far from horrible.

And, of course, that was just one of the 3 weeks. Where did his QB ranking fall the other 2? Care to enlighten us on that? Of course you don't.
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Once again I have not argued taking away 2 passes from Dak. But please say it again maybe we didn't all hear you the first time. Screaming a lie over and over doesn't make it truth.

And yes the 102 passer rating overstates how he played. Holy moly dude that's the entire point of the thread. Mariota had a perfect passer rating Monday night.

Do you think he played a good game yet alone a perfect one? Did you watch it? Do you trust your eyes?
 
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Why? Theyre having the most success with the quick hit passes. the only difference is Goff has Cooks Kupp and Gurley who are amongst the lead leaders in yac.

Goff 1076 yrds come from yac just in them 3 players. Thats1/3 of his yrds that have absolutely nothing to do with him. Isnt that how that works? Dont you say that about dak with coopers catches this past week? Simple catch that he took to the house?
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Why what? You're just ignoring my point and going into yard totals. I feel like I've lost what your actual point is, I'm not the one arguing about Cooper's YAC (though in this case, given the small sample, it is an anomaly).

The difference between what Goff does and what Dak does is simple. Goff throws guys open, Dak waits until they get open. I don't care about YAC, specifically.
 
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keysersoze said:
Was this your same evaluation when Romo was credited with come from behind wins???
Be honest now Young Man. :lmao2:
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I have said consistently that using wins as a stay for a quarterback is stupid. It's always been stupid. It will always be stupid. Don't be stupid.
 
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Toruk_Makto said:
Once again I have not argued taking away 2 passes from Dak. But please say it again maybe we didn't all hear you the first time. Screaming a lie over and over doesn't make it truth.

And yes the 102 passer rating overstates how he played. Holy moly dude that's the entire point of the thread. Mariota had a perfect passer rating Monday night.

Do you think he played a good game yet alone a perfect one? Did you watch it? Do you trust your eyes?
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You've argued over and over about those two passes and how they have skewed the numbers for 3 games, and now you are claiming you haven't done that at all?

lol - can't have a reasonable discussion that just adjusts with a new fabrication every time he posts.
 
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keysersoze said:
No. I’m saying if we are winning with Dak as we were winning with Romo, Dak’s earned a contract. Winning is winning. And so far Dak has proven to win games. Especially in comeback situations. That was the barometer for Romo’s extension. So why change the criteria now?
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Winning was never the barometer for Romo's contracts.

By this logic, Eli should be the highest paid QB in the league.
 
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Why what? You're just ignoring my point and going into yard totals. I feel like I've lost what your actual point is, I'm not the one arguing about Cooper's YAC (though in this case, given the small sample, it is an anomaly).

The difference between what Goff does and what Dak does is simple. Goff throws guys open, Dak waits until they get open. I don't care about YAC, specifically.
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Goff had better receivers. He ain’t throwing them open. They run precise routes and have speed to take the top off the defense.
 
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OmerV said:
You've argued over and over about those two passes and how they have skewed the numbers for 3 games, and now you are claiming you haven't done that at all?

lol - can't have a reasonable discussion that just adjusts with a new fabrication every time he posts.
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I have argued that yes two passes have skewed peoples perception of Dak's play. I have given a statistical basis for that. 2 passes over 3 games amount to almost 20% of Dak's total yardage. That speaks to the outlier nature of the plays.

I have also given qualitative assessment. If you think Dak was playing well before those 2 plays then you don't understand qb play. If you think after those 2 plays that suddenly Dak had a good game then you shouldn't be evaluating qb play for public consumption

I have been completely consistent throughout this 20 page discussion.

What is truly amazing is that 20 pages into this discussion you're using a passer rating of 102 to defend a game played. When the entire premise of this thread and discussion.. . Sigh. . Yikes.
 
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