Next Time we Discuss Dak's Stats

[Dre11]

and you have to balance that with yards, pass attempts, etc. as I have repeatedly mentioned, Dak is not a big passer. he is a game manager, expected not to Make mistakes, we don't need him to make big plays. all the stats you outlined matches with that and the total yards further cement that analysis....and the damn QB rating is absolute non-sense at times that Dak lovers use to pump him up....

Grapolo had a better rating than dan and completed 68% of his passes.....he only threw 63. Brees rating was lower, but he threw for 5000 yards.compared to Dak's 3600. which means they were passing more, going down field more and taking more risks and asking the QB to make plays on offense....dak was 23rd in pass attempts.....which tells me they didn't expect him to be the offensive focus. Brees had a lower rating than Dak, no idiot in their right mind would take Dak over Brees. same with Rodgers, Rothlisberger

Rodgers had a lower rating than Dak, but he had 150 more attempts, which is about 10 attempts per game.....which tells me they ask Rodgers to throw more and they run the offense through Rodgers.

you are pretty deaf I think. its been said including by me, that Dak has leadership skills. has desire. has heart. but his skills lack. you even say that yourself....you want to give him another 5 years to grow....I don't think he will be much better skill wise than he is now.. is been the same since his college days......not sure what your personal man crush is on Dak, given in the process you have trashed Brady, Aikman, Rodgers, Brees, Rothlisberger and other top QBs....

now, listen and listen carefully. can we win with Dak? yes. we need to surround him with very strong players, great OL, great RB, great WRs, great TE and ask him to just manage the game and he is really good at that. that would make our offense good. Give me a passing QB and with all those resources our offense would be elite.....we can't put the offense on Dak's shoulder and ask him to throw 40 times a game. when we have , we simply failed.....

and get this through you thick skull...this offense runs through Zeke. when Zeke was out, Dak went 3-3, with Zeke 6-4. this year when zeke goes over 100 total yards, we are 6-1. when he doesn't we are 1-4. everything else being the same....... its that simple.....

in your mind and other Dak lovers, if we don't stand up and shout and clap and scream from top of our lungs that Dak is great, you all get offended. you get offended and angry when we say he is a game manager and his skills are limited. you want everyone to fawn over his 24-28 for only freaking 250 yards, 30 yards below season average against Saints defense and a whopping I mean whopping 13 points.....

sorry, I just don't see what all the fuss is about......he is the QB of my favorite team...I support him. I root for him, but I also see him for what he is. with that said, there are no other QB options at this time. if there was I would drop his arse in a NY minute and not look back. for now he is all we got.

Senseless drivel...again you like numbers, his numbers better than any other rookie.


https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article123905659.html

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Senseless drivel...again you like numbers, his numbers better than any other rookie.


https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article123905659.html

I don't care about numbers. its you who keeps bringing up his stats in isolation...... trying to prove he is a great QB...he simply is not. He is probably a great Game manager. Great Bus driver....nothing wrong with that.

p.s.

do you happen to have his poster on your ceiling or wall in your bedroom?

 

[Roadtrip635]

I don't deny that looking at a single stat is misleading and you have to take everything into account. but to simply state Dak has no time, when his average time to throw this year is 3rd highest, is absurd.... what he is not getting is the 4 or 5 or 6 seconds he had in 2016. He is not good anticipating. he is not good in reading defenses. he is not very accurate. so having him make quick throws is not his forte..... he needs time, less pressure and survey the field and all WR to fully run through their routes be open before he throws.....2016 he had that and he managed. even then no one asked him to throw much as he was 23rd in the league in pass attempts....even this year he is `7th and mostly because we have been behind in games earlier in the year and forced to throw in the 4th quarter....he is just not a 35 to 45 pass attempt per game type QB....,

now, as you sy you observed, Romo held for too long, moved around and wanted to make plays down field...its obvious that Dak hold on too long, doesn't move around the pocket and pulls the ball too much. when he has had to make quick throws, his fundamentals have been scary bad.....he is slow processing/progression type QB and needs a very strong OL to succeed. IMO, he is better suited to WCO, and getting him on the move where he is more comfortable throwing would probably help him

No team wants their QB to be a 35-45 pass type QB, most teams want to be as balanced as possible. It's not a big coincidence that arguably Romo's best year was when he attempted less than 30 passes/game. It's not about how much you throw, it's about how efficient you are when you throw.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

No team wants their QB to be a 35-45 pass type QB, most teams want to be as balanced as possible. It's not a big coincidence that arguably Romo's best year was when he attempted less than 30 passes/game. It's not about how much you throw, it's about how efficient you are when you throw.

I don't disagree, but some teams just pass more.....Brady, Rodgers, Wentz, Goff, are all about 35-36 range. Roth is a bit high at 42, for a team with good running attack.

and its not about how much you throw, but what your offensive philosophy is...we are based on running, controlling the clock, managing the game, making the game shorter....some teams are passing oriented, like Rams and GB. some teams are a little more balanced. some teams like us lean to running..... if we cannot run, we have no chance....that's the bottom line. while some teams can get away with having a bad running day and pass 40 or 50 times and win a game. we definitely are not that.

 

[Seven]

... Remember Mariota and Monday nights game against the Texans.

Mariota went 22-23 with a perfect passer rating. And yet the Titans were not competitive. This tweet does a good job of explaining why his stats did not match the eye test.



This reminds me of Dak against the Commanders. He was awful essentially the entire game. And yet due to two passes his passer rating was stellar. Eye test > Stats in this case.

As a reminder Dak is 23rd in the NFL in QBR. Top 5? Brees, Mahomes, Rivers, Goff and Wilson in that order.

For added Dak context Joe Flacco and Ryan Fitzpatrick have been better. Fitzpatrick has been benched twice and there is talk Joe has been Wally Pipped. Meanwhile we wouldn't trade Dak for 2 first rounders and are backing up the Brinks truck. Future is bright!

Yawn.......

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Pulling for Dak, but come on...
QBs dont have W/L records, teams do.

Oh no, remember, Dak Prescott is solely responsible for all the losses. In fact he alone is responsible for the loses single handedly. See other QB's they get to say that they didn't have their starting center or their WR's were horrible etc etc. Dak Prescott, he get's no such consideration because apparently he plays all positions at the same time all the time on offense. In fact our whole offense is just Dak Prescott. In fact even if he is on the bench he is negatively influencing our defense. Don't know how but this is irrational hate so who cares.

 

[Dre11]

I don't care about numbers. its you who keeps bringing up his stats in isolation...... trying to prove he is a great QB...he simply is not. He is probably a great Game manager. Great Bus driver....nothing wrong with that.

p.s.





do you happen to have his poster on your ceiling or wall in your bedroom?

First u posted numbers saying he was 20th in passing. Again you're showing your ignorance, nobody ever said he was great. You tried to discredit his rookie season. You jump in pot and got cooked.

 

[kskboys]

To finish off the OP's statement: Next time we discuss Dak's stats, LET's NOT.

 

[risco]

"Top" ? Is that what you're comparing him to.

Easy- I'm not comparing Dak to anyone. To me he's just Dak.... and no one else...

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

First u posted numbers saying he was 20th in passing. Again you're showing your ignorance, nobody ever said he was great. You tried to discredit his rookie season. You jump in pot and got cooked.

so why are you offended when someone sys, he is a bu driver, his skills lack and he is average...... you been arguing and comparing him to Brady, Rodgers, etc......

I didn't discredit his rookie season. I give credit for that season to Zeke. Dak had a part. set back. play it safe. drive the bus and let everybody else do their piece. 2016 was about the OL and Zeke not Dak, but I am sure you are going to be offended.

 

[Dre11]

so why are you offended when someone sys, he is a bu driver, his skills lack and he is average...... you been arguing and comparing him to Brady, Rodgers, etc......

I didn't discredit his rookie season. I give credit for that season to Zeke. Dak had a part. set back. play it safe. drive the bus and let everybody else do their piece. 2016 was about the OL and Zeke not Dak, but I am sure you are going to be offended.

Because you've been over the top, you've recently backed off, you sure as heck did discredit it, you asked how was it was the best rookie season, and that you didn't see the hype, I posted the facts. I challenge you to show any of my post that compare him to Brady or Rodgers. In fact I never compared him to any qb. You gave a list of qbs you deemed better than him. Keep track of what you post.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Because you've been over the top, you've recently backed off, you sure as heck did discredit it, you asked how was it was the best rookie season, and that you didn't see the hype, I posted the facts. I challenge you to show any of my post that compare him to Brady or Rodgers. In fact I never compared him to any qb. You gave a list of qbs you deemed better than him. Keep track of what you post.

I haven't been over the top. I have provided facts and dis-spelled the crown everyone is putting on Dak, comparing him to the all time greats and HOF QBs and what not....and when I call him average, all you Dak lovers get your shorts tied in a knot.....all along I have said, Dak is a manager, bus driver and has skill flaws. but has leadership, drive and heart.....I haven't changed my mind since the first post on Dak 10 weeks ago.....

 

[Dre11]

I haven't been over the top. I have provided facts and dis-spelled the crown everyone is putting on Dak, comparing him to the all time greats and HOF QBs and what not....and when I call him average, all you Dak lovers get your shorts tied in a knot.....all along I have said, Dak is a manager, bus driver and has skill flaws. but has leadership, drive and heart.....I haven't changed my mind since the first post on Dak 10 weeks ago.....

Bs. You've been the leader in the club house kicking every positive thing some post about Dak. Now you're over in Xdallas thread, doing the same, nothing you posted was facts worth a damn. Nobody compared him to a HOFer. That's the standard you haters hold him to.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Bs. You've been the leader in the club house kicking every positive thing some post about Dak. Now you're over in Xdallas thread, doing the same, nothing you posted was facts worth a damn. Nobody compared him to a HOFer. That's the standard you haters hold him to.

no I balanced out the stat people put out, the way we should be looking at them....people post a twit that he has won as many games as Brady as if that means something, or that his completion percentage is in par with Aikmanm, Brady and ROmo.... and yes, there is plenty of people comparing Dak to HOF QBs directly or indirectly..... read for yourself.

and I don't hate Dak. because I criticize parts of his game and see him as average, you call me Hater and that's the think with you Dak Lovers.....its an all or nothing thing.....

 

[john van brocklin]

... Remember Mariota and Monday nights game against the Texans.

Mariota went 22-23 with a perfect passer rating. And yet the Titans were not competitive. This tweet does a good job of explaining why his stats did not match the eye test.



This reminds me of Dak against the Commanders. He was awful essentially the entire game. And yet due to two passes his passer rating was stellar. Eye test > Stats in this case.

As a reminder Dak is 23rd in the NFL in QBR. Top 5? Brees, Mahomes, Rivers, Goff and Wilson in that order.

For added Dak context Joe Flacco and Ryan Fitzpatrick have been better. Fitzpatrick has been benched twice and there is talk Joe has been Wally Pipped. Meanwhile we wouldn't trade Dak for 2 first rounders and are backing up the Brinks truck. Future is bright!

Good info, thanks for bringing it to the discussion...

 

[Dre11]

no I balanced out the stat people put out, the way we should be looking at them....people post a twit that he has won as many games as Brady as if that means something, or that his completion percentage is in par with Aikmanm, Brady and ROmo.... and yes, there is plenty of people comparing Dak to HOF QBs directly or indirectly..... read for yourself.

and I don't hate Dak. because I criticize parts of his game and see him as average, you call me Hater and that's the think with you Dak Lovers.....its an all or nothing thing.....

What the hell are you arguing the facts? If his completion percentage is better then it is, nobody said he was better, nobody said he was better, the facts are facts when it come to the numbers you're crying about. You don't criticize part of his game you criticize his game as a whole and you're over the top with it. That's what you get called on. Show me one person that said he was better than Aikman, Romo, or Brady. You're making up bs.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

What the hell are you arguing the facts? If his completion percentage is better then it is, nobody said he was better, nobody said he was better, the facts are facts when it come to the numbers you're crying about. You don't criticize part of his game you criticize his game as a whole and you're over the top with it. That's what you get called on.

yes it is, but if completion percentage is the only stat you use to compare greatness of Dak to Aikman, Romo or Brady, then you are a fool. and that's what I responded to, that onto itself, in a silo, its meaningless and some of the other stats as well......

I criticize part of his game...... passing needs a lot of work.......accuracy needs work.....reading defenses needs awork...... moving around the pocket needs work..... he does fine otherwise......

 

[Dre11]

yes it is, but if completion percentage is the only stat you use to compare greatness of Dak to Aikman, Romo or Brady, then you are a fool. and that's what I responded to, that onto itself, in a silo, its meaningless and some of the other stats as well......

I criticize part of his game...... passing needs a lot of work.......accuracy needs work.....reading defenses needs awork...... moving around the pocket needs work..... he does fine otherwise......

Doesn't matter if you panties get twisted the facts are the facts. Again, nobody said he was better than any of those qbs. You made that up. You call those numbers meaningless, yet they wouldn't put them out or make mention of them during telecasts if they were meaningless.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Doesn't matter if you panties get twisted the facts are the facts. Again, nobody said he was better than any of those qbs. You made that up. You call those numbers meaningless, yet they wouldn't put them out or make mention of them during telecasts if they were meaningless.

are you talking about your panties? because it seems you got twisted like a pretzel when anyone here said any slightest thing taken as a negative...and yes facts are facts, and you have to take ALL of the facts into account, not partial......because if you do, its like you are watching a movie through a key hole and unless you want to fool yourself

 

[silvrNblue]

Dre 11, best to just let FIH have his Dak is a bum, Dak sucks, Romo was better, bestest, all time greatest post...your arguing with a fence post, he simply dislikes Dak and ALWAYS makes sure we all know. Bleh, I'm over arguing with him, he can have his Dak haters club of 2 ill take the wins this kid helps bring to the team.we all know he is sorely lacking on some points, but he has heart, and even Witten said he had great command of the huddle and offense. It's what it is, FIH will still be here whining over some silly stat after Dak wins Lombardi