Next Time we Discuss Dak's Stats

[DFWJC]

Now to show just how silly that stat is. Next Gen Stats also states that it takes .2 - .3 seconds on average for the QB to cock and throw the ball so in reality Prescott is holding the ball for all of .1 - .2 seconds longer than the average QB. Even if there was all of a .4 second difference just think of how short of time that really is. You can believe that it's a huge difference but it takes longer for someone to blink 3 times than .4 seconds.
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Not chiming in on Dak, but
1-2 seconds extra in the pocket is a freaking eternity.
Massive

 

[DFWJC]

It does. Good qbs produce wins. Stats don't tell the whole picture.

I'm willing to bet Dak will take this team far further than Tony Romo ever did

I hope so.
But it for sure won't be because Dak is a better player than Tony, unless he improves massively.

But yeah...definitely hope the TEAM goes further with Dak at the helm. Any number of things could allow that to happen.
Go Cowboys

 

[America's Cowboy]

Most people will say that they would handle some things different. I just don't get how Romo dating someone, Spears, from Hollywood all of a sudden made HIM "going Hollywood"? You show me where when he said he would do thing differently that he actually said or implied that dating someone from Hollywood was what he was referring to or was it things specific to Spears as many people say after they break up with a person they were dating regardless where they are from. Again you're not the Cowboys dating police who gets to decide who and when a player can date who you deem right. Gee later in Romo's career he dated and married a beauty pageant winner from another state was that wrong too?
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What are you? An ex-girlfriend or something? Sure seem very sensitive and extra guarded towards Romo's private but public life.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Now to show just how silly that stat is. Next Gen Stats also states that it takes .2 - .3 seconds on average for the QB to cock and throw the ball so in reality Prescott is holding the ball for all of .1 - .2 seconds longer than the average QB. Even if there was all of a .4 second difference just think of how short of time that really is. You can believe that it's a huge difference but it takes longer for someone to blink 3 times than .4 seconds.
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its just a measure...its not like the difference between the QBs is 15 seconds. the gammet runs between almost 2 seconds to slightly above 3 seconds....thus .2, or .3 seconds makes the difference between a throw made on time or not... not its not silly..... and it shows that Dak does have the time to throw...that's the point.........compared to NFL average.....so a lot of the sacks and pressure is self inflicted.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

LOL.

You meant to say...the 3rd fastest time to throw in the league is 2.6 seconds and that belongs to Ryan Tannehill. Dak's is 2.96.


2.68 is about the average and that is a 5 way tie for that time.

And this stat is so dumb that it omits sacks from the measurement. So, for slow developing plays that you have good protection on, why would you rush it? If you are sacked after 5 seconds, why would you not include that in TT?

Dak owns the 3rd fastest sack in the league...how come that isn't factored into this silly stat?

It is all about offensive philosophy. Offenses predicated on getting the ball out quick will look great in this silly stat. Dinosaur offenses like ours or play action heavy offenses will look poor.

and if you read slowly....it said average...average means the low, the high, the middle...added up and devided by the number of throws.......thus viola....average.....

and if you are sacked after 5 seconds...then shame on you for not throwing it earlier and/ or get rid of the ball....5 seconds in NFL is an eternity.

some of the sacks is clearly on Dak when even announcers on tv where mentioning he should get rid of the ball sooner, instead of hesitate.....I am not saying OL is perfect, never said that, but the Dak lovers want to put all the blame on OL and absolve Dak from all as if the guy is an elite QB which he is not. even in 2016, he was not elite.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It does. Good qbs produce wins. Stats don't tell the whole picture.

I'm willing to bet Dak will take this team far further than Tony Romo ever did

I take that bet.

 

[Ken]

and if you read slowly....it said average...average means the low, the high, the middle...added up and devided by the number of throws.......thus viola....average.....

and if you are sacked after 5 seconds...then shame on you for not throwing it earlier and/ or get rid of the ball....5 seconds in NFL is an eternity.

some of the sacks is clearly on Dak when even announcers on tv where mentioning he should get rid of the ball sooner, instead of hesitate.....I am not saying OL is perfect, never said that, but the Dak lovers want to put all the blame on OL and absolve Dak from all as if the guy is an elite QB which he is not. even in 2016, he was not elite.

Maybe you and I have different definitions of what the word average means??

When you state that 2.6 is the league average and that is literally the 3rd fastest time out of the entire league.. there is no way that can be the average out of the 34 players listed.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

What about the drops and it's negative impact on Dak's stats?

He leads the league in drops. He's not as bad as some people think.

I don't deny that the WRs have dropped some balls, but its also that e is not as accurate because the ball is not in the place that allows the WRs to make plays. In the Seattle game, the two Ints was badly thrown balls, one behind the WR and the second one was really high throw that the TE quite get to.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Maybe you and I have different definitions of what the word average means??

When you state that 2.6 is the league average and that is literally the 3rd fastest time out of the entire league.. there is no way that can be the average out of the 34 players listed.

perhaps, I should have added the 100s in there as well, since there is a whole bunch of folks in the 2.6 to 2.65 range..... that's 5/100 of a second.

Dak is the 3rd longest time, followed by Watson and Josh Allen. the range is between 2.56 to 3.18.....

 

[Ken]

perhaps, I should have added the 100s in there as well, since there is a whole bunch of folks in the 2.6 to 2.65 range..... that's 5/100 of a second.

Dak is the 3rd longest time, followed by Watson and Josh Allen. the range is between 2.56 to 3.18.....

Which means nothing.

The offense dictates this statistic in large part.

 

[northerncowboynation]

... Remember Mariota and Monday nights game against the Texans.

Mariota went 22-23 with a perfect passer rating. And yet the Titans were not competitive. This tweet does a good job of explaining why his stats did not match the eye test.



This reminds me of Dak against the Commanders. He was awful essentially the entire game. And yet due to two passes his passer rating was stellar. Eye test > Stats in this case.

As a reminder Dak is 23rd in the NFL in QBR. Top 5? Brees, Mahomes, Rivers, Goff and Wilson in that order.

For added Dak context Joe Flacco and Ryan Fitzpatrick have been better. Fitzpatrick has been benched twice and there is talk Joe has been Wally Pipped. Meanwhile we wouldn't trade Dak for 2 first rounders and are backing up the Brinks truck. Future is bright!

Damn I need new bi-focals. My eye test is fooked

 

[gjkoeppen]

Not chiming in on Dak, but
1-2 seconds extra in the pocket is a freaking eternity.
Massive

That's not 1 or 2 seconds, it's 1/10th - 2/10ths of a second or not counting the actual throwing motion it's 4/10ths of a second.
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[gjkoeppen]

What are you? An ex-girlfriend or something? Sure seem very sensitive and extra guarded towards Romo's private but public life.

What a moronic response. Why does someone have to be female to say fans are not the dating police for players. Are you also the Cowboys political police too. Do you get to decide who players can vote for to? How about do you decide what kind of cars they have to buy or what foods they can eat? All of those things are just as ridiculous as someone questioning who a player dates.
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[gjkoeppen]

its just a measure...its not like the difference between the QBs is 15 seconds. the gammet runs between almost 2 seconds to slightly above 3 seconds....thus .2, or .3 seconds makes the difference between a throw made on time or not... not its not silly..... and it shows that Dak does have the time to throw...that's the point.........compared to NFL average.....so a lot of the sacks and pressure is self inflicted.

Please enlighten us with all the things you do in 2/10ths - 3/10ths of a second. Remember Romo took 3 - 4 seconds quite often and spots showsd and still show Romo when he held the ball for 7 and 8 seconds before throwing strikes.
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[gjkoeppen]

I don't deny that the WRs have dropped some balls, but its also that e is not as accurate because the ball is not in the place that allows the WRs to make plays. In the Seattle game, the two Ints was badly thrown balls, one behind the WR and the second one was really high throw that the TE quite get to.

Lets see. Thursday night Lewis almost got his first pick in the 1st quarter when Brees made a bad throw and then late in the 4th quarter Brees again had a bad throw that Lewis did pick off. But some how some here seem to think Prescott is the only QB in the league that has some bad throws. I'm not saying that Prescott doesn't have to work to do on his throwing but Thursday night he did sent a Cowboys record for the most consecutive completions in a single game. A record that HOFer Aikman who was know as a very accurate passer didn't hold. There will always be those that will find something Prescott has done or didn't do to complain about.
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[McKDaddy]

Dak Prescott will never be a QB that elevates the players around him like Drew Brees does. He is the QB that needs the players around him like Zeke, the and WR's to elevate HIM.

Some fans are ok with that. Just build around him. Others want the QB to be THE guy. And Prescott can't be that.

That's why there will never be consensus on this forum and elsewhere about Dak. Even if he wins a Super Bowl the qustion will always be was it Dak? Or was it the other guys.

Well said. Problem with building around him is the margin for error is razor thin. Occasionally you may get to playoffs, maybe thru the first round but things have to go your way. Most important position needs to be better. Simple as that.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Lets see. Thursday night Lewis almost got his first pick in the 1st quarter when Brees made a bad throw and then late in the 4th quarter Brees again had a bad throw that Lewis did pick off. But some how some here seem to think Prescott is the only QB in the league that has some bad throws. I'm not saying that Prescott doesn't have to work to do on his throwing but Thursday night he did sent a Cowboys record for the most consecutive completions in a single game. A record that HOFer Aikman who was know as a very accurate passer didn't hold. There will always be those that will find something Prescott has done or didn't do to complain about.
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you take two play out of 400 passes to make a case..... where we can give 100 throws from Dak regarding his down field inaccuracy....

yet all dak lovers also confirm that he needs to work on his accuracy....yet they also defend him at the same time....

consecutive throws are meaningless....we scored 13 points...had 250 yards against a team that's ranked 30th I the league against the pass and gives up on average about 290......

may I say whoopdie dee doo

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Please enlighten us with all the things you do in 2/10ths - 3/10ths of a second. Remember Romo took 3 - 4 seconds quite often and spots showsd and still show Romo when he held the ball for 7 and 8 seconds before throwing strikes.
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watch Roth, Brady and Brees. then watch the rest...you will get it....you just have to learn to watch the games.

 

[gjkoeppen]

watch Roth, Brady and Brees. then watch the rest...you will get it....you just have to learn to watch the games.

Gee lets compare QB's with 10 more years experience. That always seems like a fair and logical comparison, not. Now do you want to tell us all the things YOU do in 2/10ths - 3/10ths of a second.
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[Dre11]

you take two play out of 400 passes to make a case..... where we can give 100 throws from Dak regarding his down field inaccuracy....

yet all dak lovers also confirm that he needs to work on his accuracy....yet they also defend him at the same time....

consecutive throws are meaningless....we scored 13 points...had 250 yards against a team that's ranked 30th I the league against the pass and gives up on average about 290......

may I say whoopdie dee doo

Give me a hundred throws....lol one thing we do know is he can make them, we defend him from you over the top haters, knowledgeable fans know a young Qbs are going to have growing pains.