NFC East top 10

[Vintage]

That's clearly why Campbell, Landry, Spencer, Carpenter and Eli were included in this list.

Your all under-30 team has one defensive lineman, 3 QBs, and 2 offensive linemen. Just some random collection of average to stellar players who happen to be under 30.

To be fair, where are you going to get under 30 pro bowl caliber DE's in the NFC East?

Usi, yeah.

And then who?

Our ends are under 30. And they are not even close to Pro Bowl selections. Carter is average, Daniels is over 30 and sucks. Strahan is over 30. Kearse is 30(?). Trent Cole would, I guess, be the next selection...

DTs? Again, who? Robbins....and......? Brunkely (lol)?

 

[DallasInDC]

(Only 2 more months)
Taking everything into account. Injuries(McNabb) age(Strahan) miscellaneous (T.O)

1. Westbrook
2. Romo
3. Portis
4. Newman
5. Ware
6. Osi Umenyiora
7. Shawn Andrews
8. Chris Snee
9. Laron Landry
10. Mcnabb

If you take into account injuries, I would move portis down 2-3 spots

 

[superpunk]

To be fair, where are you going to get under 30 pro bowl caliber DE's in the NFC East?

Usi, yeah.

And then who?

Our ends are under 30. And they are sooooo far from Pro Bowl selections. Carter is average, Daniels is over 30 and sucks. Strahan is over 30. Kearse is 30(?). Trent Cole would, I guess, be the next selection...

DTs? Again, who? Robbins....and......? Brunkely (lol)?

If it's a team, you've got to choose someone. His way = no ballz. It's just a listing of eveery team's decent players under the age of 30.

Oughta be

QB: Romo
RB: Westbrook
WR: Moss
WR: Burress
TE: Witten
OT: and so on and so forth

 

[Green28]

If it's a team, you've got to choose someone. His way = no ballz. It's just a listing of eveery team's decent players under the age of 30.

Oughta be

QB: Romo
RB: Westbrook
WR: Moss
WR: Burress
TE: Witten
OT: and so on and so forth

OK, here goes...

QB - Romo or Campbell (time will tell)
RB - Portis & Westbrook
FB - Jacobs
TE - Cooley & Witten
WR - Moss & Burress
T - Samuels (still under 30), Columbo (so few choices)
G - Andrews, Snee
C - Gurode

DE - Osi, Cole
DT - ? , Golston
OLB - Ware, Washington
MLB - Pierce (edit)
CB - Newman, Sheppard
FS - Taylor
SS - Williams, (soon to be Landry)

 

[superpunk]

OK, here goes...

QB - Romo or Campbell (time will tell)
RB - Portis & Westbrook
TE - Cooley & Witten
SS - Williams, (soon to be Landry)

lol, for positions that require only one player, it isn't necessary to list the (inferior) Commanders player to get a mention.

For MLB, I'd have Pierce, duh. DT, I don't know. They're mostly crap.

 

[Vintage]

lol, for positions that require only one player, it isn't necessary to list the (inferior) Commanders player to get a mention.

For MLB, I'd have Pierce, duh. DT, I don't know. They're mostly crap.

Robbins was pretty solid for the Giants last year, so I'd probably list him.

Edit: he is 30, nevermind.

 

[superpunk]

Robbins was pretty solid for the Giants last year, so I'd probably list him.

I have heard that from Giants fans.

So, drop the undeserving Commanders players, put in Robbins and Pierce - and BAM - you've got your legit under 30 "team"

edit: screw you

edit: surporisingly, Ratliff appears to be statistically superior to all other under 30 East DTs

 

[Vintage]

I have heard that from Giants fans.

So, drop the undeserving Commanders players, put in Robbins and Pierce - and BAM - you've got your legit under 30 "team"

edit: screw you

edit: surporisingly, Ratliff appears to be statistically superior to all other under 30 East DTs

Surporisingly, he is....

Key word, of course, being surporisingly...

 

[superpunk]

Surporisingly, he is....

Key word, of course, being surporisingly...

I've gotta key word for ya right here, laddie.

 

[AtlCB]

LOL @ people criticising ES for being homer-ific.

Pot. Meet Mr. Kettle.

Maybe you should read a few more of my posts before calling me a homer. Maybe you should also read some of the posts over at ES. Some of those people (not all of them) are beyond delusional. We have a few here, but not near as many. Those types also do not run this site.

 

[JonJon]

I am changing the format a little. I am ranking the top 4 players at each position. I count the O-line and D-line as units. I didn't include FB, because honestly, there aren't enough valid canidates to warrant a list. I will try not to be a homer with this list:

QB
1. McNabb
2. Romo
3. Manning
4. Johnson

RB
1. Westbrook
2. Portis
3. Jones
4. Barber III

WR
1. Owens
2. Burress
3. Glenn
4. Moss

TE
1. Shockey
2. Witten
3. Cooley
4. Smith

Oline
1. Washington
2. New York
3. Philadelphia
4. Dallas

Dline
1. New York
2. Philadelphia
3. Dallas
4. Washington

LB
1. Ware
2. Fletcher
3. Kiwanuka
4. Trotter

CB
1. Newman
2. Sheppard
3. Madison
4. Henry

FS
1. Dawkins
2. Taylor
3. Hamlin
4. Demps

SS
1. Williams
2. Wilson
3. Considine
4. Landry (default)

P
1. McBriar
2. Johnson
3. Feagles
4. Frost

K
1. Akers
2. Gramatica
3. Tynes
4. Suisham

 

[cobra]

QB - Romo or Campbell (time will tell)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

Campbell was 2-5 and averaged under 190 yards passing.

Romo took his team to the playoffs, won NFC offensive player of the week 2x, went to the Pro Bowl, had a QB rating almost 20 points higher than Campbell's, and doesn't have major accuracy problems like Campbell does.

But to Commanders fans, it's a close call.

How's about waiting until the guy does anything before you start saying he is the top in the division. Potential means crap. Right now Campbell is nothing more than Quincy Carter at the end of year 1.

 

[Green28]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

Campbell was 2-5 and averaged under 190 yards passing.

Romo took his team to the playoffs, won NFC offensive player of the week 2x, went to the Pro Bowl, had a QB rating almost 20 points higher than Campbell's, and doesn't have major accuracy problems like Campbell does.

But to Commanders fans, it's a close call.

How's about waiting until the guy does anything before you start saying he is the top in the division. Potential means crap. Right now Campbell is nothing more than Quincy Carter at the end of year 1.

To be fair, at this point, there is no way anyone can tell the better player. Both have played less than one season. Tony played on a much better team with greater offensive weapons. Tony is also older and has been in the league longer. As I said, time will tell...

 

[superpunk]

To be fair, at this point, there is no way anyone can tell the better player. Both have played less than one season. Tony played on a much better team with greater offensive weapons. Tony is also older and has been in the league longer. As I said, time will tell...

If I am reading this correctly, you're saying that

(a) Even though Romo was far superior to Campbell, they've played less than one season - so you're assuming Campbell improves and Romo regresses.

(b) Owens and Glenn are better than Moss and El, Witten is better than Cooley and Jones is better than Portis? I guess our Oline is better than the Skins too.

(c) you're mentioning Campbell because he's young and might get better.

Just leave it. If you're making a list, Campbell doesn't deserve even a mention. Neither do Portis, or Landry.

 

[AtlCB]

I am changing the format a little. I am ranking the top 4 players at each position. I count the O-line and D-line as units. I didn't include FB, because honestly, there aren't enough valid canidates to warrant a list. I will try not to be a homer with this list:

QB
1. McNabb
2. Romo
3. Manning
4. Johnson

Agree

[qutoe]RB
1. Westbrook
2. Portis
3. Jones
4. Barber III[/quote]I would move Betts to 3 and Jones to 5.

WR
1. Owens
2. Burress
3. Glenn
4. Moss

I would swap Moss and Burress

TE
1. Shockey
2. Witten
3. Cooley
4. Smith

Shockey is seriously overrated. Witten and Cooley are both better and Smith is comparable.

Oline
1. Washington
2. New York
3. Philadelphia
4. Dallas

NY has problems at left tackle. I would move them to the bottom of the list.

Dline
1. New York
2. Philadelphia
3. Dallas
4. Washington

Philly's DL is better than New York's. NY's DE's are the best in the league, but Philly has much better DT's.

LB
1. Ware
2. Fletcher
3. Kiwanuka
4. Trotter

Trotter should be above Kiwanuka until he proves he can handle the OLB position in a real game.

CB
1. Newman
2. Sheppard
3. Madison
4. Henry

Looks good here.

FS
1. Dawkins
2. Taylor
3. Hamlin
4. Demps

No problem here.

SS
1. Williams
2. Wilson
3. Considine
4. Landry (default)

No problem here either. Landry needs to prove on the field that he's better than #4.

P
1. McBriar
2. Johnson
3. Feagles
4. Frost

K
1. Akers
2. Gramatica
3. Tynes
4. Suisham

Who cares about punters and kickers.

 

[Green28]

If I am reading this correctly, you're saying that

(a) Even though Romo was far superior to Campbell, they've played less than one season - so you're assuming Campbell improves and Romo regresses.

(b) Owens and Glenn are better than Moss and El, Witten is better than Cooley and Jones is better than Portis? I guess our Oline is better than the Skins too.

(c) you're mentioning Campbell because he's young and might get better.

Just leave it. If you're making a list, Campbell doesn't deserve even a mention. Neither do Portis, or Landry.

No, I'm saying Campbell is younger and less experienced. I'm saying that Campbell played on a much lesser team with lesser receivers. I'm saying that Campbell played on a run-first offense; a style of offense that limited his opportunities to produce high profile stats. I'm saying that Romo and Campbell had very different roles last year: Romo was a gun-slinger asked to win games whereas Campbell was more of a on-field manager asked to minimize risk and mistakes, hence the low INT number and number of throw-aways.

Both are very talented players in different situations. When Campbell has a year or two more in his system, the direct comparison might be more appropriate. But for now, time will tell who becomes the superior young QB of the division.

 

[superpunk]

No, I'm saying Campbell is younger and less experienced. I'm saying that Campbell played on a much lesser team with lesser receivers. I'm saying that Campbell played on a run-first offense; a style of offense that limited his opportunities to produce high profile stats. I'm saying that Romo and Campbell had very different roles last year: Romo was a gun-slinger asked to win games whereas Campbell was more of a on-field manager asked to minimize risk and mistakes, hence the low INT number and number of throw-aways.

Both are very talented players in different situations. When Campbell has a year or two more in his system, the direct comparison might be more appropriate. But for now, time will tell who becomes the superior young QB of the division.

So why, exactly, does he belong on any "best of" list?

Your reasoning appears to be that "He might get good in da future, if we stop running the ball as much, and ask him to carry us."

Whoop-dee-do. He's not that good now. Deserves no mention on an All-under 30 list.

 

[tomson75]

I am changing the format a little. I am ranking the top 4 players at each position. I count the O-line and D-line as units. I didn't include FB, because honestly, there aren't enough valid canidates to warrant a list. I will try not to be a homer with this list:

QB
1. McNabb
2. Romo
3. Manning
4. Johnson

I think McNabb is overrated, but this stands until Romo proves himself for a full season. I'd also think about putting Cambell on this list...it's early, but he's got some talent.

RB
1. Westbrook
2. Portis
3. Jones
4. Barber III

Agree here.

WR
1. Owens
2. Burress
3. Glenn
4. Moss

I'd flip Burress and Moss.

TE
1. Shockey
2. Witten
3. Cooley
4. Smith

All very good TE's here, but I'd put Shockey behind Witten. Close group though.

Oline
1. Washington
2. New York
3. Philadelphia
4. Dallas

NY's oline is not very good IMO. I'd put them last. I'd put Dallas at #3, but we definitely have the potential to take the #2 spot this year.

Dline
1. New York
2. Philadelphia
3. Dallas
4. Washington

Good list here. Hopefully, with Wade's system, our Dline moves up on this list with some improved play.

LB
1. Ware
2. Fletcher
3. Kiwanuka
4. Trotter

Flip #3 and #4.

CB
1. Newman
2. Sheppard
3. Madison
4. Henry

I'd flip #2 and #3, but it's close.

FS
1. Dawkins
2. Taylor
3. Hamlin
4. Demps

Seriously? If Hamlin doesn't play better than Taylor did last year, we're in for a long, dissapointing season. He's all-talent, but not all-pro. I'd flip Taylor and Hamlin.

SS
1. Williams
2. Wilson
3. Considine
4. Landry (default)

Yep...but I bet Landry moves up this list by the end of the year.

P
1. McBriar
2. Johnson
3. Feagles
4. Frost

Sure.

K
1. Akers
2. Gramatica
3. Tynes
4. Suisham

I guess.

 

[Green28]

So why, exactly, does he belong on any "best of" list?

Because he is one of the two best young QBs in the NFC East.

 

[superpunk]

Because he is one of the two best young QBs in the NFC East.

He's not even Eli, at this point.

In any case, the list doesn't need two QBs, two RBs, or two TEs. And the Commanders don't have the best under-30 players in division at any of those spots.