NFCCG: Cardinals-Panthers Thread

[TheDude]

lmao!!! I vaguely remember that!!!

 

[skinsscalper]

We can do that if you wish.

Or you can start another discussion.

This is like where the bouncer says, break it up.

Fair enough. Since you DON'T like the coaching, honestly, what would you have done at the end of THIS season and who would you have gone after (serious question. Not even a modicum of snark involved)? As, I've stated, you're a smart guy (my opinion hasn't changed on that regardless of the banter). I'd honestly like to know what you think the better option after this season would have been, if for nothing else, a basis for the coaching comments that I see time and again.

 

[crashintonickdm]

Cam is no leader. He is a classic front runner. Without that defense, he can't carry a team.

When the team stunk he just moped, and called people put. Gatorade towel over face and all.

He had a good year but the defense is why they're so good.

 

[tyke1doe]

Of course not. I don't agree with you.

It's not just that. I don't think you even know what was agreed upon and what was not agreed upon.

But that's what happens when you enter a conversation late and aren't concern about that pesky little thing called context.

 

[skinsscalper]

Cam is no leader. He is a classic front runner. Without that defense, he can't carry a team.

When the team stunk he just moped, and called people put. Gatorade towel over face and all.

He had a good year but the defense is why they're so good.

I agree to a certain extent but anyone who thinks Cam isn't a different player this year isn't paying enough attention, IMO. The guy lost his #1 target in pre-season, got in a well publicized fight with his #1 corner, survived a horrific car crash and found a way through all that to lead his team to a 15-1 record and a Super Bowl birth. If the sum of a player was a guy who sulked and was nothing but a front runner, I don't think his team even sniffs the Super Bowl. Just my opinion, of course.

 

[tyke1doe]

Cam is no leader. He is a classic front runner. Without that defense, he can't carry a team.

When the team stunk he just moped, and called people put. Gatorade towel over face and all.

He had a good year but the defense is why they're so good.

Here it comes. It wasn't Cam, it was the defense.

The same thing said about ...

Brady and
Russell Wilson and
Eli Manning and
Ben Roethlisberger

We might as well get rid of the quartebacks. They ain't doing nutin.

 

[tyke1doe]

I agree to a certain extent but anyone who thinks Cam isn't a different player this year isn't paying enough attention, IMO. The guy lost his #1 target in pre-season, got in a well publicized fight with his #1 corner, survived a horrific car crash and found a way through all that to lead his team to a 15-1 record and a Super Bowl birth. If the sum of a player was a guy who sulked and was nothing but a front runner, I don't think his team even sniffs the Super Bowl. Just my opinion, of course.

It's hard to get to a Super Bowl without a good defense. But it's hard to get there without a good quarterback too.

 

[Alexander]

Fair enough. Since you DON'T like the coaching, honestly, what would you have done at the end of THIS season and who would you have gone after (serious question. Not even a modicum of snark involved)? As, I've stated, you're a smart guy (my opinion hasn't changed on that regardless of the banter). I'd honestly like to know what you think the better option after this season would have been, if for nothing else, a basis for the coaching comments that I see time and again.

What are you on about?

At the end of THIS season there was not much to do. I know Jones was not going to eat the contract he served up.

If Garrett would be smarter and a little less arrogant, I might appreciate what he does a little more.

At the end of the day, who coaches this team with the structure that exists is really not that important.

They just have to function and try to fumble about in a demented world they cannot control directly.

But what little control they have, I judge. It is all I got.

Otherwise, I could just lobotomize myself and just hang on for what comes next.

 

[CrownCowboy]

It's not just that. I don't think you even know what was agreed upon and what was not agreed upon.

But that's what happens when you enter a conversation late and aren't concern about that pesky little thing called context.

No, it really is that simple.

I've read alot of your posts and I think most of them are utter hogwash.

Oh but I forgot....you are a man of context. I guess you think that that is really codeword for you are always right.

I could care less what you and another party agreed upon.

Inferring automatically that people, all people, who don't like Cam Newton are racists is idiotic. Who knows, really, if that is what you are saying. Ultimately however, that is the real narrative that people like you spew in the grand scheme of things and it's beyond ridiculous. You can fit that into your context pipe and smoke it.

 

[skinsscalper]

It's hard to get to a Super Bowl without a good defense. But it's hard to get there without a good quarterback too.

Yep. Carolina's defense is absolutely legit but Cam was on a whole new level this season. Just like the saying goes coaches and QBs get more credit when they win than they deserve and more blame than they deserve when they lose. So often people marginalize just how much of a team game this sport really is. Cam Newton in conjunction with a solid running game and stifling defense equals exactly what you have in the Panthers this season, and the Patriots the season before that, and the Seahawks before that.

But NONE of that happens without a stand out guy at the QB position. The Dilfers and Johnsons of the world are the exception not the rule.

 

[tyke1doe]

No, it really is that simple.

I've read alot of your posts and I think most of them are utter hogwash.

Oh but I forgot....you are a man of context. I guess you think that that is really codeword for you are always right.

I could care less what you and another party agreed upon.

Inferring automatically that people, all people, who don't like Cam Newton are racists is idiotic. Who knows, really, if that is what you are saying. Ultimately, that is the real narrative for people like you in the grand scheme of things and it's beyond ridiculous. You can fit that into your context pipe and smoke it.

ZZzzz!

Someone is very, very sleepy.

 

[CrownCowboy]

ZZzzz!

Someone is very, very sleepy.

Well....


Goodnight, then.

 

[Tenkamenin]

Cam is no leader. He is a classic front runner. Without that defense, he can't carry a team.

When the team stunk he just moped, and called people put. Gatorade towel over face and all.

He had a good year but the defense is why they're so good.

You can say that about all of the great QBs that ever played. No one person carries a team, the defense has to make stops or you'll lose period.

 

[skinsscalper]

No, it really is that simple.

I've read alot of your posts and I think most of them are utter hogwash.

Oh but I forgot....you are a man of context. I guess you think that that is really codeword for you are always right.

I could care less what you and another party agreed upon.

Inferring automatically that people, all people, who don't like Cam Newton are racists is idiotic. Who knows, really, if that is what you are saying. Ultimately however, that is the real narrative that people like you spew in the grand scheme of things and it's beyond ridiculous. You can fit that into your context pipe and smoke it.

And if you had actually dug into the context (you know the buzz phrase of this whole thing) you would know that that wasn't what he was saying. But again no need to bother educating yourself on the subject you're arguing. That would make you look smart and informed (the exact opposite of what you actually look like in this thread).

 

[CrownCowboy]

And if you had actually dug into the context (you know the buzz phrase of this whole thing) you would know that that wasn't what he was saying. But again no need to bother educating yourself on the subject you're arguing. That would make you look smart and informed (the exact opposite of what you actually look like in this thread).

He addressed my comment and we went from there. He obviously took issue with it and I am correct to infer what I did.

Whatever was said before that or what was agreed upon before hand doesn't matter.

Try again.

 

[tyke1doe]

Well....


Goodnight, then.

Yes, get a good night's rest then you'll be in a better position to comprehend because you're pretty much confused. I mean you said you read most of my posts then you reach a conclusion that was totally contrary to what I said. Then you say I stated something I didn't say then you say you don't know what I said.

Yeah, you need to get more sleep. Nitey night.

 

[muck4doo]

Is it just me or did Dana Scully loo like she got a nose job?

 

[CrownCowboy]

Yes, get a good night's rest them you'll be in a better position to comprehend because you're pretty much confused. I mean you said you read most of my posts then you reach a conclusion that was totally contrary to what I said. Then you say I stated something I didn't say then you say you don't know what I said.

Yeah, you need to get more sleep. Nitey night.

You felt the need to reply to a comment I posted.

I didn't post that comment in response to anything you said in this thread. You obviously took issue with my comment and I responded accordingly.

And I have read alot of your garbage on here over the last year. Not necessarily in this thread, just overall.


Again, you felt the need to respond to my post and that is where it started for me. Go to sleep.

 

[tyke1doe]

You felt the need to reply to a comment I posted.

I didn't post that comment in response to anything you said in this thread. You obviously took issue with my comment and I responded accordingly.

And I have read alot of your garbage on here over the last year. Not necessarily in this thread, just overall.


Again, you felt the need to respond to my post and that is where it started for me. Go to sleep.

Oh, so you're holding a grudge, huh?
I don't even remember who you are, but I'm glad you remember me.

As for my response to you, yes, I responded to your post, and that's because I was speaking to superonyx about this issue, and we had come to an agreement. You then entered to advance an argument that noone on here made. And since we were talking about the same subject you entered this thread to discuss, it's a pretty good assumption you were addressing our comments, or mine.

Hence, I said you were late to the party.

Oh, and I don't speak garbage. I'm very clear in my communication.

 

[skinsscalper]

What are you on about?

At the end of THIS season there was not much to do. I know Jones was not going to eat the contract he served up.

If Garrett would be smarter and a little less arrogant, I might appreciate what he does a little more.

At the end of the day, who coaches this team with the structure that exists is really not that important.

They just have to function and try to fumble about in a demented world they cannot control directly.

But what little control they have, I judge. It is all I got.

Otherwise, I could just lobotomize myself and just hang on for what comes next.

Soooo, you don't have any idea what you would have done to improve the situation at the end of this season, but you judge what the coaches do with what little control they have in a situation that you've deemed they can't win with (due to the existing structure). Yet "just hanging on to what comes next" is really the only option you have to begin with since you (nor I) have any control over what will actually happen next but your position is somehow superior to being lobotomized even though the outcome would be exactly the same, correct? Did I miss anything?