News: NFL executives say Dak Prescott is a “tier-? quarterback”. Did they get it right?

[jazzcat22]

Just for consumption since brought up a lot. Not sure if it affects tier rank

Why the last 2 seasons. Why not 3. Why not compare Dak's 1st 8 games to his last 8 games of 2018.
I know this was not a post against Dak with the stats. It is just a guy picking the last 2 years. But many factors are involved. Why not include Wentz in his 1st year, when it seemed 80% of his passes were between 2 and 5 yards.

But the last 2 years Dak had an injured Dez and fading skills, Zeke missing 6 games, and distracted the others. Tyron Smith out for games. Then last year no #1 WR the 1st eight games. So yes, check downs will happen. Not sure of the other QB's on the list, as there could be situations for them also.

And what constitutes a check down, some offense, such as with Linehan, is designed to take what the defense gives you. In this case, a wide open player to pass it too and let him run with it. So be it he is the check down guy.

 

[pitt33]

Players who were drafted late or who went undrafted always have more to prove.

So true...

Especially the quarterbacks. Their proving ground is pretty condensed and pressure packed to showcase their abilities.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Clearly Dak is Tier 1. Especially in the playoffs when he outperforms Rodgers, Wilson, and Goff. Hard to find a more clutch player in the league, other than Brady.

clearly!...not so sure about that proclamation.....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The above article is absolutely correct!!!!!

“I just think when it comes down to it, his accuracy is going to limit him because those three to four throws a game you miss, they get you in the long run,” an offensive coordinator said. Prescott, who had 13 touchdown passes against three interceptions when Cooper was on the field in 2018, polled almost exactly the same this summer compared to last, with about one-third of voters placing him in the second tier. “I think he is the classic 3, a high 3, where he really needs people around him,” a GM said. “When they got the receiver, he was better. When the runner is rolling, he is better. Play-action is very important for him.”

Prescott is clearly a “win with” quarterback for the Cowboys. Dallas can win with him starting. But they don’t win because of him. And Dallas will soon be paying him a ton of money.

that's been the argument all along....."where he really needs people around him"....I think even dak fanatics agree to that and have said as much...he needs the OL, he needs the RB, he needs the WRs......to elevate him....but it doesn't mean you can't win with him, when he has those tools, he is able to lead the team to wins

 

[Keithfansince5]

I think Dak is a Tier 2 QB. That is plenty good enough for Dallas to win with. It could be worse, we could have Kirk Cousins, Josh Rosen, Flaco, Jared Allen, Jamison, Manning, or Rothlisberger. We should be grateful we have a QB that is above average.

 

[percyhoward]

Just for consumption since brought up a lot. Not sure if it affects tier rank

A large amount of checkdowns doesn't necessarily indicate a lack of success on deeper throws.

Here's those same 11 QB ranked by passer rating on 10+yard targets in 2018:
(or including 2017, if they didn't play enough in 2018)
Rivers 114.3
Carr 101.5
Prescott 100.7
Taylor 95.0
Manning 93.5
Osweiler 86.4
Brissett 86.0
Bortles 76.2
Flacco 76.1
Smith 71.6
Kizer 31.4

 

[MWH1967]

Well that's it folks, a third-tier quarterback, a running back that's holding out and a coach who's barely holding on.
We're doomed

I've heard of "out of the box" Now I've seen it.

 

[Stash]

Probably a mix of both, but with a generous amount of ego. Most of them probably spend as much of their time defending their own opinions about players for a living as they spend forming those opinions in the first place.

Then I have little use for them.

 

[Stash]

If that was the case, they wouldn’t have ranked Brady or Wilson as high as they did. This isn’t about protecting ego… the poll is anonymous. It’s just how the league views him.

Brady and Wilson are well established, and Super Bowl winners. Totally different than the two guys Prescott was drafted with and outperformed.

 

[johneric8]

The above article is absolutely correct!!!!!

“I just think when it comes down to it, his accuracy is going to limit him because those three to four throws a game you miss, they get you in the long run,” an offensive coordinator said. Prescott, who had 13 touchdown passes against three interceptions when Cooper was on the field in 2018, polled almost exactly the same this summer compared to last, with about one-third of voters placing him in the second tier. “I think he is the classic 3, a high 3, where he really needs people around him,” a GM said. “When they got the receiver, he was better. When the runner is rolling, he is better. Play-action is very important for him.”

Prescott is clearly a “win with” quarterback for the Cowboys. Dallas can win with him starting. But they don’t win because of him. And Dallas will soon be paying him a ton of money.

Absolutely ridiculous comment.. Every damn QB in the league misses passes during the game, Once again look at the numbers and clutch performance stats. Dak is a winner and misses no more throws than any other QB... Dak haters gonna run out of material if he lights it up this year because if that is the case, he will be one of the best QB's over the last 4 years in many categories. All players have things they need to work on, but sometimes I think it's easy to forget that while the QB position is of vital importance, the QB needs help from the rest of the team and especially coaches.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

For a different perspective than Mike Sando's Athletic article (that polled random team execs and assistant coaches), here's a tape and data driven article. That isn't just some idiot exec's opinion (there's a reason these guys are fired and hired all the time through the NFL Good Ol Boys network). The author of the below article (Cian Fahey) watches every pass of every QB from last season, and then puts the QBs into tiers. Not just having an opinion based on limited knowledge or exposure to a player (be it Dak or Andrew Luck or Lamar Jackson).

https://presnapreads.com/2019-quarterback-tiers-and-rankings/

Haha... I don't care how many snaps he watched. To say Dak is ahead of Brady, Brees, and Rivers is silly, and to say he's five places ahead of Russell Wilson is absurd.

 

[percyhoward]

Haha... I don't care how many snaps he watched. To say Dak is ahead of Brady, Brees, and Rivers is silly, and to say he's five places ahead of Russell Wilson is absurd.

I'm convinced that Fahey is the human pancake of bloggers. Always takes the contrarian's view to stir up discussion/attention, no matter how many times it means he has to flip-flop.

 

[percyhoward]

Brady and Wilson are well established, and Super Bowl winners. Totally different than the two guys Prescott was drafted with and outperformed.

Seems to go without saying, doesn't it?

 

[Stash]

Seems to go without saying, doesn't it?

It should, but some people will clearly resort to the worst sort of apples to oranges comparisons in their desperation.

 

[Vtwin]

One important factor that is always left out of these debates because it doesn't show up in any stat is the passes that Dak doesn't throw which a tier 1 QB would. Also the quickness in the reads and decision making.

Until he cleans up both of those issues tier 3 is where he's at.

 

[gimmesix]

It’s funny how people down play Dak because “talent” around him like that same logic doesn’t apply to 95% of starting QB’s. There’s only like 3 or 4 QB’s that can win without much talent. Everyone else needs talent around them so let’s stop acting like Dak is the only one.

It has always been the case. Quarterbacks get judged by success often without considering the circumstances. There has to be a balance in that discussion, though, because you also can't do the opposite: Judge one QB because of the talent around him (or lack thereof) and judge others without that consideration.

A great QB elevates his team. However, that might mean he takes a team that would win a couple games without him and helps it win six. It rarely, if ever, means he can carry a bad team to the Super Bowl.

In the same way, a great team elevates the QB because he doesn't have to do as much for the team to win, which generally means he plays better because he's not having to force things or play like it is all on his shoulders.

 

[percyhoward]

It should, but some people will clearly resort to the worst sort of apples to oranges comparisons in their desperation.

This ranking comes out annually. I just saw where this year is the first time Wilson has made Tier 1.

All these guys passed on Wilson in the draft. Opinions die hard.

 

[Stash]

This ranking comes out annually. I just saw where this year is the first time Wilson has made Tier 1.

All these guys passed on Wilson in the draft. Opinions die hard.

It certainly looks that way.

 

[Jarv]

True but it’s what you do with that talent which often separates the great ones. Aikman for example needed Elite talent around him. And when he had it took home 3 rings.

How much more talent around Dak do we need?

A top 3 defense vs a top 10...lol

 

[WillieBeamen]

Before 55 executives and coaches are going to admit they were wrong not to draft Prescott, they are going to have to see more. Until then, he's just another prospect they were right about. The thing that's stopping them from putting Dak in the top tiers is the same thing that's stopping most people -- that 11-game stretch from the last 8 games of 2017 to the first 3 games of 2018.

It doesn't matter that Prescott ranks 8th in traditional passer rating and 4th in Total QBR over the last three years, even including that 11-game slump. People see the way he reacted without his starting OL and without a true WR1 and it gives them pause -- as it should. Those 11 games outweigh the other 39 because he was so bad in those 11 games. This year, if he puts together a full season like the last 15 games of 2018, he'll move up the list. If he has another slump (no matter the reason) it'll only confirm that these 55 guys were right about him.

The 55 are in the same place everybody else (who's honest, anyway) is at right now.

Exactly why he isnt worth what he’s asking

Some QBs “struggle” when missing key players.

This guy was “all-time” bad