NFL: Ezekiel Elliott's suspension appeal to stretch to Day 2

[casmith07]

Don't want to turn it into any type of racial or political issue but...

I wonder how a comment such as "I'm a white girl, you're a black athlete..who are they gonna believe?" sits with someone like Henderson versus Goodell.

Good question, and it's not political at all. It's a real problem and anybody who doesn't think that kind of comment is atrocious is probably, well, you know....

 

[LandryFan]

If it is a civil deposition, the reporter (the stenographer) can administer an oath. The NFL cannot place someone under oath. And, because this is not a Court, or court sanctioned proceeding, there is no such thing as perjury and the only use for it would be as later ammunition to be used for or against Zeke in a lawsuit.

As far as why doesn't she have to be there and testify? This is not a court proceeding and nobody can make her do anything in connection with it.

Maybe I'm being overly dramatic, but I see Zeke's strategy of testifying under what is really a self-imposed oath as him saying "I am swearing before Almighty God that what I am saying is the truth". That, in itself, should be a powerful statement as to the credibility of his testimony, at least in the court of public opinion. I know some will disagree, but that's my take on it.

 

[DogFace]

Maybe I'm being overly dramatic, but I see Zeke's strategy of testifying under what is really a self-imposed oath as him saying "I am swearing before Almighty God that what I am saying is the truth". That, in itself, should be a powerful statement as to the credibility of his testimony. I know some will disagree, but that's my take on it.

I thought roughly the same thing. I also don't think he would go through all this testimony and attendance if he was guilty.

 

[Montanalo]

If it is a civil deposition, the reporter (the stenographer) can administer an oath. The NFL cannot place someone under oath. And, because this is not a Court, or court sanctioned proceeding, there is no such thing as perjury and the only use for it would be as later ammunition to be used for or against Zeke in a lawsuit.

As far as why doesn't she have to be there and testify? This is not a court proceeding and nobody can make her do anything in connection with it.

Thanks, I appreciate your explanation of a civil deposition and testifying under oath. What, in your opinion, is the rational for the NFL not making their investigation notes available for this hearing? Seems like that would back-fire if and when this is appealed.

 

[speedkilz88]

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Lmao..This picture.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Seriously though..What does it take to prove he didn't do it? The girl is a proven liar. Lied to police about what happened. Her own friends confirmed that. Has a vested interest in ruining his life. 1+1 is pretty hard for Goodell and co apparently.

 

[camelboy]

Can anyone just answer my questions:
Why didn't the police in OH and/or FL re-open the case or demand NFL to present their findings YET?
Why didn't the accuser and her lawyer go to court based on NFL findings YET?

A multi billion dollar organization says "we have evidence this guy committed a crime" and the accuser and the authorities are doing nothing???!!!!

I mean someone please help us make sense of this

 

[speedkilz88]

Director of Investigations Kia Wright Roberts and the NFLPA's own forensics expert. Hearing was originally scheduled for two days but has been extended into Thursday after the NFL agreed to make available by phone a witness they initially denied to make available at the union's request.

 

[Cowboys22]

Elliot's team is supposedly bringing in a star witness against Tiffany Thompson. It will be interesting to find out who this is because if the league didn't interview this person, it certainly could be considered new evidence.

 

[jwooten15]

Too bad Jerry can't be directly involved in all of this. With his salesmanship skills, he would not only get Zeke's punishment rescinded, but would also get the league to grant us additional first round draft picks for all our trouble

 

[Cowboys22]

Elliot's team is supposedly bringing in a star witness against Tiffany Thompson. It will be interesting to find out who this is because if the league didn't interview this person, it certainly could be considered new evidence.

Heard on ESPN that the witness may actually be a medical expert the league will now make available. Don't know if this is the same witness Fisher was talking about and he just got it wrong.

 

[aria]

You're right. I bet Mara or any reasonable person doesn't see a competitive advantage to having Zeke.

Probably Dez or Dak either. They both played too.

You're right, Mara is behind all of this. You have about as much proof of Mara is involved as Zeke's accuser has against Zeke, which is nothing. Good try though, it's always funny to see the whining about Mara.

 

[DogFace]

Can anyone just answer my questions:
Why didn't the police in OH and/or FL re-open the case or demand NFL to present their findings YET?
Why didn't the accuser and her lawyer go to court based on NFL findings YET?

A multi billion dollar organization says "we have evidence this guy committed a crime" and the accuser and the authorities are doing nothing???!!!!

I mean someone please help us make sense of this

Great question and I doubt anyone can make sense of this. At least not with the information we have. Which is a lot.

 

[Philmonroe]

Seriously though..What does it take to prove he didn't do it? The girl is a proven liar. Lied to police about what happened. Her own friends confirmed that. Has a vested interest in ruining his life. 1+1 is pretty hard for Goodell and co apparently.

This is the new era as far as public eye that is the opposite but same as before. In the past domestic violence was talked about but really overlooked now it's went the opposite direction and now if you pat a girl on the back to hard pitch forks come out. I truly wish on this subject and most other subjects that are so poloarizing we could see that both sides do the same exact thing just slanted towards them. If we all try to be in the middle not extremes of either side that would stop a lot of stupidity imo.

 

[aria]

I wonder. And to those who say this is ridiculous that there may have been some favoritism please provide the answer. @aria be specific.

I honestly would like to know. I doubt that could be the case, but is it?

Be specific about what? I'm not the one claiming Mara has everything to do with every punishment the Cowboys get or anytime something doesn't go their way.

The only thing the Mara conspiracy theorists can point to is that Mara was the chairman of the committee that had a hand in "punishing" the Cowboys for breaking the "gentlemans agreement" with regard to the salary cap issue.

I've already stated my opinion on that several times but to sum it up I think it was a slimy move by Jerry and Snyder. Two of the sleaziest owners in the game who happen to be best buds and happened to try and take the most advantage. Sure, it was technically legal but it was a dirty move IMO and obviously most other owners opinions otherwise they would have ignored the agreement as well. No other owners had a problem with the punishment and it wasn't a one man committee.

It's also ironic how other fans can point the finger at Jerry for shady practices but no one here wants to talk about that or they have an excuse. The point is every team gets screwed at some point and every team seems and does get favored at some point. Whether its officiating, suspensions, scheduling (the Giants fans were crying about that this year and they did get the worst of it) but it goes both ways.

Just because the Cowboys don't have something go their way doesn't mean Mara was behind it but instead of acknowledging maybe it was Jerry or the player or the officials or Goodells inconsistency it's always Mara. It used to be funny but so many people seem to believe it now that it comes across as whiny, cry baby and childish. Now go ahead, everyone start frothing at the mouth and insult me or put me on ignore because you don't agree with my thoughts.

 

[Cowboys22]

Be specific about what? I'm not the one claiming Mara has everything to do with every punishment the Cowboys get or anytime something doesn't go their way.

The only thing the Mara conspiracy theorists can point to is that Mara was the chairman of the committee that had a hand in "punishing" the Cowboys for breaking the "gentlemans agreement" with regard to the salary cap issue.

I've already stated my opinion on that several times but to sum it up I think it was a slimy move by Jerry and Snyder. Two of the sleaziest owners in the game who happen to be best buds and happened to try and take the most advantage. Sure, it was technically legal but it was a dirty move IMO and obviously most other owners opinions otherwise they would have ignored the agreement as well. No other owners had a problem with the punishment and it wasn't a one man committee.

It's also ironic how other fans can point the finger at Jerry for shady practices but no one here wants to talk about that or they have an excuse. The point is every team gets screwed at some point and every team seems and does get favored at some point. Whether its officiating, suspensions, scheduling (the Giants fans were crying about that this year and they did get the worst of it) but it goes both ways.

Just because the Cowboys don't have something go their way doesn't mean Mara was behind it but instead of acknowledging maybe it was Jerry or the player or the officials or Goodells inconsistency it's always Mara. It used to be funny but so many people seem to believe it now that it comes across as whiny, cry baby and childish. Now go ahead, everyone start frothing at the mouth and insult me or put me on ignore because you don't agree with my thoughts.

You do know that the league approves all contracts don't you? How do you punish teams for contracts that you approved? Also, that same year there were numerous other teams that signed free agents to massively front loaded deals with a large % of the entire deal coming in that first uncapped year and none of them were even questioned, much less denied or punished. Why was that?

 

[Direwolf63]

Does anyone know why he ruled to reduce Josh Brown's suspension to 1 game?
What evidence or circumstances arose that made him choose to reduce the suspension after Brown admitted to doing it several times?

If I were to make a guess, I would say the fact that Josh Brown admitted the abuse, showed remorse and was in treatment. In writing.

That's the only thing I can think of.

 

[DogFace]

Be specific about what? I'm not the one claiming Mara has everything to do with every punishment the Cowboys get or anytime something doesn't go their way.

The only thing the Mara conspiracy theorists can point to is that Mara was the chairman of the committee that had a hand in "punishing" the Cowboys for breaking the "gentlemans agreement" with regard to the salary cap issue.

I've already stated my opinion on that several times but to sum it up I think it was a slimy move by Jerry and Snyder. Two of the sleaziest owners in the game who happen to be best buds and happened to try and take the most advantage. Sure, it was technically legal but it was a dirty move IMO and obviously most other owners opinions otherwise they would have ignored the agreement as well. No other owners had a problem with the punishment and it wasn't a one man committee.

It's also ironic how other fans can point the finger at Jerry for shady practices but no one here wants to talk about that or they have an excuse. The point is every team gets screwed at some point and every team seems and does get favored at some point. Whether its officiating, suspensions, scheduling (the Giants fans were crying about that this year and they did get the worst of it) but it goes both ways.

Just because the Cowboys don't have something go their way doesn't mean Mara was behind it but instead of acknowledging maybe it was Jerry or the player or the officials or Goodells inconsistency it's always Mara. It used to be funny but so many people seem to believe it now that it comes across as whiny, cry baby and childish. Now go ahead, everyone start frothing at the mouth and insult me or put me on ignore because you don't agree with my thoughts.

Right. Illegally colluding against a labor group isn't slimy at all.

 

[DogFace]

It's just pathetic sweety, it really is. I would defend most other owners only because this fan base is already known for being the most entitled whiny bunch other than the Patriots (who at least can back it up in the past 10 years) and instead of taking responsibility for their own actions there's always finger pointing and excuses. I guess Mara is just the easiest scapegoat since his team happens to be in NY and be a rival of the Cowboys.

I also dislike hypocrites which this board is full of. Pages and pages of Zeke being falsely accused by the same people making false accusations against other owners, NFL employees, officials or anyone they can blame other than an employee or player of the Cowboys. I bet Mara was buying Brents drinks all night before he decided to drive and kill his teammate. IMOF, I heard Mara was seen helping him to his car that night.

Are you saying we fans aren't taking responsibility for something or are you saying the Cowboys aren't taking responsibility for what you perceive they've done?

Examples please.