NFL Penalizing Salary Cap for Cowboys and Commanders

[Arch Stanton]

Jerra should refuse to appear on national tv until the rescind this ridiculous penalty.

:laugh2:

 

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ars/2012/03/12/gIQABbe27R_blog.html#pagebreak

Officials of the league and the NFL Players Association agreed to the reduction in the salary cap for the two teams in deliberations over the past week, said the person, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the topic.

The union agreed to the resolution reluctantly, the person said. Union officials believe that neither team did anything wrong or attempted to circumvent the salary cap. But the union acquiesced to the decision because the league would have lowered the salary cap for all 32 teams if it did not.

 

[The Natural]

So basically FA is a disappointment before it even started

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Because no matter what they do, they still lost 10 million. You can cut, restructure, do whatever you can do to create room, you won't get back that space.

But I agree that we should still be able to do some things. Who ever said we couldn't?

Who said we couldn't? The bridge jumpers in here who are selling their TVs on craigslist and heading into the cellars with an extra armful of canned beans, that's who.

 

[Risen Star]

I understand the disappointment.

And Risen Star is right. The money (or cap space) is gone.

But it can be compensated for to a large degree, so all is not lost.

I'm not quite as down on the whole thing because I didn't think the team was going to spend $100 mill on Mario Williams and $70 mill on Carl Nicks.

All is not lost. I don't think anybody ever said it was. I'm just tired of Harry and Lloyd being a huge hurdle to clear to winning anything.

Even if we didn't sign Nicks or Williams, it still gave the team options.

If one good thing can come of this, maybe I'll never have to read again that Stephen Jones is a great cap man.

Jerry, you ARE the father.

 

[Hoofbite]

Collection I've found thus far.

Done looking though. It's obvious it happened for other teams.

Many not nearly as bad as Austin but Peppers and Jackson and even Schaub are just the same.

May need to click the picture for a bigger size.

http://i5.***BLOCKED***/albums/y188/thehoofbite/Untitled1-1.jpg

 

[Risen Star]

Who said we wouldn't? The bridge jumpers in here who are selling their TVs on craigslist and heading into the cellars with an extra armful of canned beans, that's who.

Well, that's not me. I'm as mad about it as anyone but 10 million over two years isn't crippling to any team.

 

[bark]

Jerra should refuse to appear on national tv until the rescind this ridiculous penalty.

ahh if your talking about jerra personaly...not sure that's a good strategy...

 

[Woods]

Jerra should refuse to appear on national tv until the rescind this ridiculous penalty.

The league may consider that a good thing. :laugh2:

 

[sonnyboy]

I understand the disappointment.

And Risen Star is right. The money (or cap space) is gone.

But it can be compensated for to a large degree, so all is not lost.

I'm not quite as down on the whole thing because I didn't think the team was going to spend $100 mill on Mario Williams and $70 mill on Carl Nicks.

True, but not through mismanagement. Austin is under contract for another 4 yrs or so. This 10mil is simply money that "should have" been counted against our cap from 2011 to around 2016.

Lets look at this for what it really is........Jones attempted to spend 10mil more of his money in 2010 to give the franchise an additional 10mil in cap space over the life of Austin's deal.

As I see it, the motive is clear. Jerry tried to spend more of his money to give us a better product.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ars/2012/03/12/gIQABbe27R_blog.html#pagebreak

Jerry's got a case. That's what this says to me. It doesn't mean he would ever pursue it. (Unless he signed off on it.)

 

[AmishGangsta]

I wonder if this has something to do with the Skins trading away all their first round picks...


Nah that's unlikely... business as usual

 

[sonnyboy]

I wonder if this has something to do with the Skins trading away all their first round picks...

No, but it doesn't help.

To be honest, the 36mil hit the Skins get almost makes this worth it. And I thank you and your friends for the many posts reminding me of this silver lining.

 

[AdamJT13]

It's 10 million to acquire talent lost.

We didn't "lose" the entire $10 million. We already HAVE more cap room because of the contract that caused the penalty. If we hadn't structured Austin's contract this way, we'd have less cap room right now.

The question is how high we could have pushed Austin's 2010 cap number before being penalized and how much the penalty would have been. We set it at $17.078 million. The league penalized us as if we should have set it at $7.078 million. If it had been $8.078 million, would we have been penalized $1 million? Who knows? If not, then the amount that we "lost" actually is only whatever amount we could have added to Austin's cap number before being penalized. Everything else is already included in our cap room.

 

[MonsterD]

Someone already figured it out, it was the first thing I thought of. The NFL with the NFLPA "cooked the books" to make it look like there was no dip in the year's cap number. They essentially just took the perfect amount from the Commanders and Cowboys so that it was not lower than last year due to the benefits getting higher. Scam.

 

[yentl911]

We didn't "lose" the entire $10 million. We already HAVE more cap room because of the contract that caused the penalty. If we hadn't structured Austin's contract this way, we'd have less cap room right now.

The question is how high we could have pushed Austin's 2010 cap number before being penalized and how much the penalty would have been. We set it at $17.078 million. The league penalized us as if we should have set it at $7.078 million. If it had been $8.078 million, would we have been penalized $1 million? Who knows? If not, then the amount that we "lost" actually is only whatever amount we could have added to Austin's cap number before being penalized. Everything else is already included in our cap room.

Adam how much cap space do you think we will have available once FA opens? If anyone on here knows it would be you.

Do you think we will still be active in FA? 5 mil is a pretty big chunk of change.

Thanks!!

 

[sonnyboy]

We didn't "lose" the entire $10 million. We already HAVE more cap room because of the contract that caused the penalty. If we hadn't structured Austin's contract this way, we'd have less cap room right now.

The question is how high we could have pushed Austin's 2010 cap number before being penalized and how much the penalty would have been. We set it at $17.078 million. The league penalized us as if we should have set it at $7.078 million. If it had been $8.078 million, would we have been penalized $1 million? Who knows? If not, then the amount that we "lost" actually is only whatever amount we could have added to Austin's cap number before being penalized. Everything else is already included in our cap room.

It is interesting that they came up with that number. You may remember some posts I made about the contract at the time and how happy I was to see Jones take money out of his pocket for the benefit of the franchise.

I'm no cap expert like yourself, but I estimated the number to be at least 10mil, maybe a little more.

 

[Risen Star]

The Cowboys have triggers in the contracts of cornerback Orlando Scandrick and tackle Doug Free that would save them roughly $8.6 million in cap space. Re-working the contracts of DeMarcus Ware and Dez Bryant could net about another $4 million in space.

The Cowboys can create as much as $7.26 million in room on Tuesday by cutting cornerback Terence Newman (designated as a post-June 1 cut) and kicker David Buehler, who is scheduled to count more than $1.6 million against the 2012 cap and lost his job to Dan Bailey last year.

On Sunday the league announced the 2012 cap would be $120.6 million.

The Cowboys were carrying a credit of around $17.6 million over from 2011, which would have in effect made their cap $138.2 million in 2012. If the Cowboys chose to take a $5 million hit in each of the next two years because of the sanctions, then they would have a cap of roughly $133.2 million this year.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4690667/penalty-might-not-kill-cowboys-plans

 

[Deep_Freeze]

We didn't "lose" the entire $10 million. We already HAVE more cap room because of the contract that caused the penalty. If we hadn't structured Austin's contract this way, we'd have less cap room right now.

The question is how high we could have pushed Austin's 2010 cap number before being penalized and how much the penalty would have been. We set it at $17.078 million. The league penalized us as if we should have set it at $7.078 million. If it had been $8.078 million, would we have been penalized $1 million? Who knows? If not, then the amount that we "lost" actually is only whatever amount we could have added to Austin's cap number before being penalized. Everything else is already included in our cap room.

Glad your here today, this might be the most confusing situation I've seen with the cap in a while that has to do with us. I guess the penalty only matters if we were actually going to spend up to the cap, which we don't really know.

Spread over 2 years, won't be that bad, but any idea how much we actually lost with all of this if you say we didn't lose the entire 10 million?

 

[AdamJT13]

Here's my understanding of this debacle. We did everything legal. But there was some backroom deal that the owners agreed to violate the anti trust laws and collude NOT to dump or front load contracts.

What is dumb is that all of the teams that cut players before the lockout got to escape from all of the dead money that would have hit the cap under the old CBA. Many teams did that. We did not. We waited until AFTER the lockout to dump the contracts of guys like Marion Barber, Roy Williams the WR, Marc Colombo, Leonard Davis and Andre Gurode. As a result we had tons of dead money in 2011 and again this year.