NFL Penalizing Salary Cap for Cowboys and Commanders

[Cajuncowboy]

Okay I guess I am just stupid cause I don't get it...

this is what I thought I knew

uncapped year <---- spend as much or as little as you would like<-------------------------------|
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capped year <----can only spend up to a certain amount..............................................|
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does anybody understand anything different with this..................................................|
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was Austin signed in an uncapped year...I believe so...so price doesn't matter correct<-|

Here's my understanding of this debacle. We did everything legal. But there was some backroom deal that the owners agreed to violate the anti trust laws and collude NOT to dump or front load contracts. The Cowboys and skins obeyed the law but they violated the shady backroom wink wink agreement. And now are being penalized by some pissy whiny owners complaining and the NFLPA won't challenge this because the league has agreed to add to the other teams cap numbers by 1.6 mil.

 

[JonJon]

The NFLPA should challenge this. It's less money to the players. Won't happen though.

from http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/36904/qa-on-the-cowboys-Commanders-cap-mess
Q: Why isn't the union challenging this?

A: While this behavior seems to fit the very dictionary definition of collusion, as multiple teams were engaged in discussions to limit the earning potential of their employees and prospective employees, do not expect it to be challenged in court. The decision today, in which the Commanders were docked $36 million in cap space and the Cowboys $10 million, is the result of a settlement between the NFL and the NFLPA. One reason the union has no problem with it is that the money lost to the Cowboys and Commanders is not taken out of the overall 2012 spending pool — each of 28 other teams gets $1.6 million extra in cap room, so there's no net loss league-wide. Another reason the union won't push on it is because they agreed, as part of the settlement of last year's Brady vs. NFL federal lawsuit, to drop all pending legal action against the league. That included their claims that the league engaged in collusion in 2010.

 

[AdamJT13]

Josh Ellis just tweeted that the team is splitting 10 million dollars up. Five this year and five next

We are dumb. I'm hoping it's sheer stupidity and not yet another year in which we don't even plan on doing whatever we can to win.

 

[sonnyboy]

What we did and what the Skins did are completely different things. The Saints and Raiders also did enough that they won't get any of the added cap room.

Other teams also took advantage of the uncapped year but either didn't do it to the same extent or simply got away with it.

Well Adam if you know this. If you have the proof, why not send it anonymuosly to the right sports media people?

 

[bracey]

The NFLPA should challenge this. It's less money to the players. Won't happen though.

Also, there isn't a clearer example of fixing the market than telling teams they can't take advantage of the uncapped year when the whole point of having an uncapped year at the end of the CBA is to penalize the NFL and benefit the players. It provides an incentive to the NFL to get a deal done beforehand.

 

[Zaxor]

Here's my understanding of this debacle. We did everything legal. But there was some backroom deal that the owners agreed to violate the anti trust laws and collude NOT to dump or front load contracts. The Cowboys and skins obeyed the law but they violated the shady backroom wink wink agreement. And now are being penalized by some pissy whiny owners complaining and the NFLPA won't challenge this because the league has agreed to add to the other teams cap numbers by 1.6 mil.

thank you

what the NFL is doing is BS

but thank you anyway

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I gotta admit, after reading a bunch of posts concerns this topic over at Extremeskins and the posts made here at the Zone, this might be the one and only time in history of both franchises where the Cowboy and Commander fans are temporarily the "Twin sons from different mothers" as opposed to be the blood enemies they are 99.999% of the time.

Kinda funny really.

 

[cowboy_ron]

We are dumb. I'm hoping it's sheer stupidity and not yet another year in which we don't even plan on doing whatever we can to win.

Yea, I can't believe we didn't push it all to next year

 

[bracey]

from http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/36904/qa-on-the-cowboys-Commanders-cap-mess
Q: Why isn't the union challenging this?

A: While this behavior seems to fit the very dictionary definition of collusion, as multiple teams were engaged in discussions to limit the earning potential of their employees and prospective employees, do not expect it to be challenged in court. The decision today, in which the Commanders were docked $36 million in cap space and the Cowboys $10 million, is the result of a settlement between the NFL and the NFLPA. One reason the union has no problem with it is that the money lost to the Cowboys and Commanders is not taken out of the overall 2012 spending pool — each of 28 other teams gets $1.6 million extra in cap room, so there's no net loss league-wide. Another reason the union won't push on it is because they agreed, as part of the settlement of last year's Brady vs. NFL federal lawsuit, to drop all pending legal action against the league. That included their claims that the league engaged in collusion in 2010.

Makes sense since the players don't lose any money overall. Still dirty, but guess it's allowed since both sides agreed.

 

[Woods]

I gotta admit, after reading a bunch of posts concerns this topic over at Extremeskins and the posts made here at the Zone, this might be the one and only time in history of both franchises where the Cowboy and Commander fans are temporarily the "Twin sons from different mothers" as opposed to be the blood enemies they are 99.999% of the time.

Kinda funny really.

Seems like the Skins got the worst end of it in any case. Still the uglier stepchild.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yea, I can't believe we didn't push it all to next year

I'm guessing it's probably due to the fact that they have some idea of what they were looking to spend this year in free agency and they still can make some moves to clear salary cap space. The bottom line is that they must feel that they can take a $5 mil hit this year.

 

[wittenacious]

Seems like the Skins got the worst end of it in any case. Still the uglier stepchild.

:laugh2:

 

[Woods]

We are dumb. I'm hoping it's sheer stupidity and not yet another year in which we don't even plan on doing whatever we can to win.

Can't we restructure a couple additional contracts to reduce the impact of the hit this year? Guys like Sensy or Spears, for example?

 

[Risen Star]

I gotta admit, after reading a bunch of posts concerns this topic over at Extremeskins and the posts made here at the Zone, this might be the one and only time in history of both franchises where the Cowboy and Commander fans are temporarily the "Twin sons from different mothers" as opposed to be the blood enemies they are 99.999% of the time.

Kinda funny really.

Actually, I think those two fan bases are nearly identical. They're in the exact same position.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Seems like the Skins got the worst end of it in any case. Still the uglier stepchild.

LOL!

Well yeah, but it's pretty funny none-the-less.

 

[AmishGangsta]

This all makes my head hurt. I'm going to go take that out on my workout now. I'm really not pleased by this crap at all, even if it turns out to not be a big deal in terms of how it effects FA, it still just bugs me that this kind of bs is going on.

Stuff like this normally goes on in the NBA, not the NFL.

Don't mind the penalty, just don't like the way it was handled.

Commanders and Cowboys likely PO'd and will likely still be active in free agency. I know Commanders one is fired up, and they angry

 

[Woods]

I'm guessing it's probably due to the fact that they have some idea of what they were looking to spend this year in free agency and they still can make some moves to clear salary cap space. The bottom line is that they must feel that they can take a $5 mil hit this year.

Or maybe they restructure a couple of additional contracts to reduce the impact from say $5mm to $2-3mm this year?

 

[SDogo]

We are dumb. I'm hoping it's sheer stupidity and not yet another year in which we don't even plan on doing whatever we can to win.

Like I said and maybe it's because I'm not an against Jerry at all costs type guy but IMO everything they do in regards to this situation is because they have a plan. I doubt very much this situation cause Jerry to throw up his hands and cancel the season. How hard would it be really to get that 5 mil back this season and I ask because you know better then anyone here.

It would seem to me with a little nip here and tuck there we are back at square 1 and planning the same approach to tomorrow as we were 24 hours ago.

 

[JonJon]

Can't we restructure a couple additional contracts to reduce the impact of the hit this year? Guys like Sensy or Spears, for example?

Either way, it still takes $5 mil of firepower away, because we could have used that restructuring to add to our cap budget to sign more players instead of doing it to pay a debt.

 

[RS12]

We are dumb. I'm hoping it's sheer stupidity and not yet another year in which we don't even plan on doing whatever we can to win.

As the clock ticks on Romo, Witten and Ware.