NFL Penalizing Salary Cap for Cowboys and Commanders

[AmishGangsta]

No, but it doesn't help.

To be honest, the 36mil hit the Skins get almost makes this worth it. And I thank you and your friends for the many posts reminding me of this silver lining.

The Skins and the Raiders should make a complaint about the competitive imbalance in the current draft system.

Aye, I heard we had to bring in our cap specialist: Chris Angel, to work this one out (not original read that somewhere lol).

"Currently the NFL is not interferring in the Rams and Commanders trade, but that could all change in two years and be written in pencil" - Rich Tandler.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

We didn't "lose" the entire $10 million. We already HAVE more cap room because of the contract that caused the penalty. If we hadn't structured Austin's contract this way, we'd have less cap room right now.

The question is how high we could have pushed Austin's 2010 cap number before being penalized and how much the penalty would have been. We set it at $17.078 million. The league penalized us as if we should have set it at $7.078 million. If it had been $8.078 million, would we have been penalized $1 million? Who knows? If not, then the amount that we "lost" actually is only whatever amount we could have added to Austin's cap number before being penalized. Everything else is already included in our cap room.

Very good point. But we also lost space relative to 28 teams. We didn't just get that deduction -- the deduction was then divvied up between the vast majority of our zero-sum competitors.

It doesn't take a tinfoil hat to suspect this thing was a scam cobbled together at the last second. This flat out stinks.

 

[cowboysooner]

What is dumb is that all of the teams that cut players before the lockout got to escape from all of the dead money that would have hit the cap under the old CBA. Many teams did that. We did not. We waited until AFTER the lockout to dump the contracts of guys like Marion Barber, Roy Williams the WR, Marc Colombo, Leonard Davis and Andre Gurode. As a result we had tons of dead money in 2011 and again this year.

Oh that was okay because the tightwad teams did that. No problem with that because we will just wipe that away with the new cba. Of course there were stern lectures and warnings about getting rid of bad contracts in the uncapped year, but it was whitewashed with the haste to get a deal done quickly and not cry over spilled milk or lose any more precious preseason games.

 

[Hoofbite]

We didn't "lose" the entire $10 million. We already HAVE more cap room because of the contract that caused the penalty. If we hadn't structured Austin's contract this way, we'd have less cap room right now.

The question is how high we could have pushed Austin's 2010 cap number before being penalized and how much the penalty would have been. We set it at $17.078 million. The league penalized us as if we should have set it at $7.078 million. If it had been $8.078 million, would we have been penalized $1 million? Who knows? If not, then the amount that we "lost" actually is only whatever amount we could have added to Austin's cap number before being penalized. Everything else is already included in our cap room.

What was Austin's contract looking like before the restructure?

Never mind, I found it.

 

[Goku]

Todd Archer ‏ @toddarcher


Asked NFL why Mgmt Council would have approved the contracts that led 2 penalty and was told there would b no more details provided.

wow i feel like breaking something.

 

[sonnyboy]

What is dumb is that all of the teams that cut players before the lockout got to escape from all of the dead money that would have hit the cap under the old CBA. Many teams did that. We did not. We waited until AFTER the lockout to dump the contracts of guys like Marion Barber, Roy Williams the WR, Marc Colombo, Leonard Davis and Andre Gurode. As a result we had tons of dead money in 2011 and again this year.

Wait a minute......Isn't that exactly what the Skins got nailed for in the Haynesworth contract?

Are you saying that in addition to other teams structuring deals similar to Miles', we had even more teams that did exactly what the Skins did..........yet we and the Skins are the only temas getting nailed for it?????

How is this fair or legal?

 

[RS12]

Monday's news that the Cowboys will lose $10 million in salary-cap space won't eliminate them from signing free agents they have targeted when the NFL's free agency period opens at 3 p.m. Tuesday, but it's certainly going to give them less wiggle room.

As first reported by ESPN, the NFL is taking away $10 million of salary-cap space from the Cowboys (and $36 million from Washington) for front-loading contracts during the uncapped 2010 season. This year's salary cap will be $120.6 million.

In the end, this $10 million hit could cost the Cowboys in their pursuit to re-sign third receiver Laurent Robinson because this salary-cap blow tightens the beltstraps some. That's especially true if another NFL team swoops in and overbids for Robinson because the Cowboys can't afford to get into a bidding war with so many other needs to address

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[speedkilz88]

What is dumb is that all of the teams that cut players before the lockout got to escape from all of the dead money that would have hit the cap under the old CBA. Many teams did that. We did not. We waited until AFTER the lockout to dump the contracts of guys like Marion Barber, Roy Williams the WR, Marc Colombo, Leonard Davis and Andre Gurode. As a result we had tons of dead money in 2011 and again this year.

That's the one that ticks me off the most. I believe they warned teams that those contracts would be accounted for in the new cba and they didn't. Yet those teams are off the hook.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4690667/penalty-might-not-kill-cowboys-plans

If this article is correct, we would have 15-17 million, which if true totally rules out Mario.



Where is my vodka....

 

[Doomsay]

What is dumb is that all of the teams that cut players before the lockout got to escape from all of the dead money that would have hit the cap under the old CBA. Many teams did that. We did not. We waited until AFTER the lockout to dump the contracts of guys like Marion Barber, Roy Williams the WR, Marc Colombo, Leonard Davis and Andre Gurode. As a result we had tons of dead money in 2011 and again this year.

If it was reasonably anticipated that pre-lockout cuts were going to wipe away any future dead-money cap hits, then this was a profound management blunder - given that fact that we were already pre-disposed to unload a number of expensive contracts replete with future cap implications. I doubt many teams have as much dead money balances as this team has had over the past 2 seasons.

I also wonder if Miles aggregate contract would have been so large if management didn't feel that they could avoid a large % of the cap hit by front-loading it in 2010.

 

[Goku]

Stolen from xtremeskins

@Jsteelzextreme
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curious how John Mara is the new head of NFL Mgmt Council & 2 NFCE teams tagged 4 violations #justsaying

another reason to despise that piece of **** franchise.

 

[cowboysooner]

When you look at the cap/ cash expenditure, we will be far below the cap with the large amounts of dead money & "penalty".

Look at the percentage of salary on all of the deals that Hoofbite posted. There was no material difference in how the deals were structured and the Austin contract. Most of those used roster or other bonus but that is not really any different than base year salary.

This is some pi$$ed owners using an embarrassed, emasculated NFLPA to not want the blowback of the salary cap actually going down.

 

[The Natural]

If this article is correct, we would have 15-17 million, which if true totally rules out Mario.



Where is my vodka....

You may want to grab another bottle

The Bears will go into the hours leading to the start of free agency considered around the league to be the favorite in the competition to sign defensive end Mario Williams away from the Houston Texans, CSNChicago.com has learned from a number of NFL sources.

 

[Doomsay]

That's the one that ticks me off the most. I believe they warned teams that those contracts would be accounted for in the new cba and they didn't. Yet those teams are off the hook.

I don't think that teams were warned about releasing players pre-lockout - but It does appear that they were warned about front-loading contracts in 2010.

One move looks pretty intelligent, while the other... not so much.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

I'm hoping that snake Goddell announces the loss of draft picks for the bounty teams the night before the draft. Can you imagine the Skins fans lamenting the loss of their 2nd rd pick the night before the draft. And the Saints' fans crying about their lost 1st rd pick. Priceless.

 

[Goku]

Damnit where is Hostile? I need his comfort right now.

 

[AdamJT13]

Like I said and maybe it's because I'm not an against Jerry at all costs type guy but IMO everything they do in regards to this situation is because they have a plan. I doubt very much this situation cause Jerry to throw up his hands and cancel the season. How hard would it be really to get that 5 mil back this season and I ask because you know better then anyone here.

It would seem to me with a little nip here and tuck there we are back at square 1 and planning the same approach to tomorrow as we were 24 hours ago.

Yes, that is true, but if we had taken the entire $10 million hit next year, the same little nip here and tuck there would have given us $5 million more to spend this year. Asking to take that $5 million hit this year tells us that we're *planning* to spend at least $5 million less than we could have -- and making that $5 million impossible to spend, even if we wanted it. Why not take the $10 million hit next year, *plan on* carrying over at least $5 million, then go ahead and use it if we absolutely need it or an unbelievable opportunity arises, either in free agency or before the trade deadline?

This is like loaning someone a bunch of money, telling them that all they need to do is pay you back a little *less* than that amount next year -- and then telling them that they CAN'T pay you back any earlier, no matter how much you beg for it or how badly you need it. Does anyone really think that would be wise?

 

[reddyuta]

If this article is correct, we would have 15-17 million, which if true totally rules out Mario.



Where is my vodka....

forget Mario.We need a go after a good center,CB and maybe a decent guard and ILB now.

 

[speedkilz88]

I don't think that teams were warned about releasing players pre-lockout - but It does appear that they were warned about front-loading contracts in 2010.

One move looks pretty intelligent, while the other... not so much.

I remember and there was definitely talk around the league that teams wouldn't get away with unloading those contracts before the new cba.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

This penalty opens up the floodgates to the NFL's checkbook.

The NFLPA can agree not to sue in a backroom deal but individual players no longer part of the NFLPA will take this all the way to the bank.

I would think that a player like Terrel Owens could argue that the NFL owners illegally colluded to artificially lower his 2010 salary and would think that someone in his financial circumstances would file.