NFL Penalizing Salary Cap for Cowboys and Commanders

[JonJon]

it was from Josh Ellis twitter..and he works for DC.com so i'm assuming he got it from the organization.

he also said don't assume the Cowboys will sue b/c that would not be good politically for Jerry, who needs the owners votes to get another Super Bowl in Dallas.

How about getting your TEAM to the Superbowl? I think that is more important than hosting a SB for some other teams to play in it.

 

[silverbear]

SB, question for you.

Given that the Skins made an agreement with the Rams but before the league season started, and it was a "verbal agreement" from what I can make out, IF the Skins wanted to back out of the deal, could they?

That said, I don't think they will.

If they did, nobody would ever deal with them again...

 

[MikeT22]

How about getting your TEAM to the Superbowl? I think that is more important than hosting a SB for some other teams to play in it.

yes sir, I agree wit dis.

 

[silverbear]

"all this means"?

you act like two free agents isn't a big deal.

Didn't mean to suggest that, but it's not the end of the world, either... I was trying to calm the Chicken Littles, prevent a mass suicide here... I had unconfirmed reports that Risen Star bought a 42 gallon drum of grape koolaid, I was starting to worry...

 

[EJ Blue]

How about getting your TEAM to the Superbowl? I think that is more important than hosting a SB for some other teams to play in it.

If you think about it, as an owner of a company, getting the Superbowl played in your stadium is a lot more profitable than winning a Superbowl. It may seem ridiculous and backwards, but that's ultimately what being a professional money pusher is all about.

 

[Sonny#9]

Well that made me laugh.

Course we are Superman and ya'll are Lex Luther.

Almost used Batman and the Joker, but I like the Joker...

I was thinking the Hogan-Macho Man "Super Powers" Tag Team back in the late 80's-early 90's WWE/F

Really, I loathe Goddell. Only a ****tard of the highest order could unite the two most bitter rivals.

 

[silverbear]

It's a metaphor.

A metaphor for stupidity...

 

[jRight]

If the League knew this then and was afraid of some owners could do what the Skins and Boys did. They should have just extended the old stinking CBA. Like it or not the Skins & Boys are right on this one. This is the business model the NFL made. Don’t create a legal loophole if you see people are going to take advantage of it. Plain and simple.

 

[cobra]

By the way, I mentioned this earlier that this is likely a horizontal price fixing scheme which is a per se (meaning "automatic") violation of the Sherman Act. An "unofficial agreement/order" to not exceed a cap is a horizontal price fixing scheme and is an actionable anti-competitive restraint on trade. A suit can be filed. And a "rule of reason" violation might also be actionable for the collusion involved in punishing the Cowboys and the Commanders.

As I mentioned earlier, I know just enough about antitrust law to be dangerous, though I am not expert in it. However, I am an expert in suing the crap out of companies though, and that is what I do for a living. And there certainly appears to be a good faith basis to file suit.

It wouldn't even take much work. Much of the legal issues have already been briefed: the thrust of Brady's 2010 lawsuit is that the salary cap is a horizontal price fixing scheme that violates antitrust laws. See: http://bizoffootball.com/docs/03112011NFLPAAnti_Trust_Filing.pdf

You could crib from that and get something on file quickly.

Against filing two suit are two considerations: (1) Did Jerry agree to this punishment? That is still the unknown, and if he did, no suit. (2) Jerry loves the NFL and profits off it, does he want to tarnish the league by suing it? Probably not.

But he could do it. Sue the *******s.

 

[bracey]

The end may be near. We have Cowboys and Commanders' fans agreeing and most fans of all teams backing Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder.

 

[EJ Blue]

If the League knew this then and was afraid of some owners could do what the Skins and Boys did. They should have just extended the old stinking CBA. Like it or not the Skins & Boys are right on this one. This is the business model the NFL made. Don’t create a legal loophole if you see people are going to take advantage of it. Plain and simple.

That being said, you can also apply that to the victims of this case. Don't risk taking advantage of a loophole if you're not willing to pay for the potential repercussions. I don't want to be the bad guy but wouldn't you agree? I'm looking at this thing as a whole.

 

[Ashwynn]

Wow, what a mess. Only Roger could unite Cowboys and Skins. WOW.

 

[Doomsay]

That being said, you can also apply that to the victims of this case. Don't risk taking advantage of a loophole if you're not willing to pay for the potential repercussions. I don't want to be the bad guy but wouldn't you agree? I'm looking at this thing as a whole.

as long as you apply it to everybody that took advantage of the dislocation - i.e. include the teams that dumped salaries as well.

 

[jRight]

That being said, you can also apply that to the victims of this case. Don't risk taking advantage of a loophole if you're not willing to pay for the potential repercussions. I don't want to be the bad guy but wouldn't you agree? I'm looking at this thing as a whole.

WHO are the victims? What repercussions are there? The loophole was legal. repercussions should only apply when one violates a written rule. The league knew that rich teams could do this, so they should have shielded there business model better.

 

[gimmesix]

By the way, I mentioned this earlier that this is likely a horizontal price fixing scheme which is a per se (meaning "automatic") violation of the Sherman Act. An "unofficial agreement/order" to not exceed a cap is a horizontal price fixing scheme and is an actionable anti-competitive restraint on trade. A suit can be filed. And a "rule of reason" violation might also be actionable for the collusion involved in punishing the Cowboys and the Commanders.

As I mentioned earlier, I know just enough about antitrust law to be dangerous, though I am not expert in it. However, I am an expert in suing the crap out of companies though, and that is what I do for a living. And there certainly appears to be a good faith basis to file suit.

It wouldn't even take much work. Much of the legal issues have already been briefed: the thrust of Brady's 2010 lawsuit is that the salary cap is a horizontal price fixing scheme that violates antitrust laws. See: http://bizoffootball.com/docs/03112011NFLPAAnti_Trust_Filing.pdf

You could crib from that and get something on file quickly.

Against filing two suit are two considerations: (1) Did Jerry agree to this punishment? That is still the unknown, and if he did, no suit. (2) Jerry loves the NFL and profits off it, does he want to tarnish the league by suing it? Probably not.

But he could do it. Sue the *******s.

File a suit for us fans. I'm ready to go to court.

 

[Nightman]

If the Union didn't agree to punish the Skins and Dallas the cap would have been around $116M. DSmith would look terrible and all the teams would have less to spend. So the other owners and the union decided to serve up the Cowboys/Skins and they each get $6.2M more cap room(except NO and OAK). The agreement seems to take care of the collusion argument and the league can find some "spirit of the league" rule as its basis for punishment.

Either way the Cowboys are around $116M. It just sucks that we get punished for dumping and still have $20M in Dead cap charges. Seems the Jones boys really screwed this one up.

 

[Goku]

File a suit for us fans. I'm ready to go to court.

i think it's Jerry's responsibility to the fans to file a suit. I mean this is a very critical time for the Cowboys. We have a relatively new head coach still transitioning the franchise into his philosophy and key players on our team whose windows for a Super Bowl are closing. You could argue these next two seasons are the most important for Romo, Ware, Ratliff, and Witten. For the league to penalize us out of the blue and hurt our ability to compete in the final prime years of many of our vets is UNACCEPTABLE. i will be upset if Jerry doesn't exhaust all his resources to challenge this ruling. He owes it to the fans and to the vets on this team.

 

[jRight]

If the Union didn't agree to punish the Skins and Dallas the cap would have been around $116M. DSmith would look terrible and all the teams would have less to spend. So the other owners and the union decided to serve up the Cowboys/Skins and they each get $6.2M more cap room(except NO and OAK). The agreement seems to take care of the collusion argument and the league can find some "spirit of the league" rule as its basis for punishment.

Either way the Cowboys are around $116M. It just sucks that we get punished for dumping and still have $20M in Dead cap charges. Seems the Jones boys really screwed this one up.

Corporate blackmail is a Mutha, and if I can see it. Then I know JR Ewings lawyers can see it. Goodell and Mera, are idiots. The fish is being cooked when it's already dead. The Danny and Jerre have plenty of ammo. Do they want to use it is the question.

 

[casmith07]

i think it's Jerry's responsibility to the fans to file a suit. I mean this is a very critical time for the Cowboys. We have a relatively new head coach still transitioning the franchise into his philosophy and key players on our team whose windows for a Super Bowl are closing. You could argue these next two seasons are the most important for Romo, Ware, Ratliff, and Witten. For the league to penalize us out of the blue and hurt our ability to compete in the final prime years of many of our vets is UNACCEPTABLE. i will be upset if Jerry doesn't exhaust all his resources to challenge this ruling. He owes it to the fans and to the vets on this team.

I think "owing it to the fans" is absolute last on the reasons to sue over this.

By the way, I mentioned this earlier that this is likely a horizontal price fixing scheme which is a per se (meaning "automatic") violation of the Sherman Act. An "unofficial agreement/order" to not exceed a cap is a horizontal price fixing scheme and is an actionable anti-competitive restraint on trade. A suit can be filed. And a "rule of reason" violation might also be actionable for the collusion involved in punishing the Cowboys and the Commanders.

As I mentioned earlier, I know just enough about antitrust law to be dangerous, though I am not expert in it. However, I am an expert in suing the crap out of companies though, and that is what I do for a living. And there certainly appears to be a good faith basis to file suit.

It wouldn't even take much work. Much of the legal issues have already been briefed: the thrust of Brady's 2010 lawsuit is that the salary cap is a horizontal price fixing scheme that violates antitrust laws. See: http://bizoffootball.com/docs/03112011NFLPAAnti_Trust_Filing.pdf

You could crib from that and get something on file quickly.

Against filing two suit are two considerations: (1) Did Jerry agree to this punishment? That is still the unknown, and if he did, no suit. (2) Jerry loves the NFL and profits off it, does he want to tarnish the league by suing it? Probably not.

But he could do it. Sue the *******s.

If Jerry agreed to it, then the statement released would not have read as such, I would imagine.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

By the way, I mentioned this earlier that this is likely a horizontal price fixing scheme which is a per se (meaning "automatic") violation of the Sherman Act. An "unofficial agreement/order" to not exceed a cap is a horizontal price fixing scheme and is an actionable anti-competitive restraint on trade. A suit can be filed. And a "rule of reason" violation might also be actionable for the collusion involved in punishing the Cowboys and the Commanders.

As I mentioned earlier, I know just enough about antitrust law to be dangerous, though I am not expert in it. However, I am an expert in suing the crap out of companies though, and that is what I do for a living. And there certainly appears to be a good faith basis to file suit.

It wouldn't even take much work. Much of the legal issues have already been briefed: the thrust of Brady's 2010 lawsuit is that the salary cap is a horizontal price fixing scheme that violates antitrust laws. See: http://bizoffootball.com/docs/03112011NFLPAAnti_Trust_Filing.pdf

You could crib from that and get something on file quickly.

Against filing two suit are two considerations: (1) Did Jerry agree to this punishment? That is still the unknown, and if he did, no suit. (2) Jerry loves the NFL and profits off it, does he want to tarnish the league by suing it? Probably not.

But he could do it. Sue the *******s.

He doesn't necessarily need to sue. He needs to convince Goodell, et al, he might sue, right?