NFL Penalizing Salary Cap for Cowboys and Commanders

[durrrr]

I love how this comes out the day before free agency...

that wasn't an accident

 

[WVSkinsfan]

If the Union didn't agree to punish the Skins and Dallas the cap would have been around $116M. DSmith would look terrible and all the teams would have less to spend.So the other owners and the union decided to serve up the Cowboys/Skins and they each get $6.2M more cap room(except NO and OAK). The agreement seems to take care of the collusion argument and the league can find some "spirit of the league" rule as its basis for punishment.

Either way the Cowboys are around $116M. It just sucks that we get punished for dumping and still have $20M in Dead cap charges. Seems the Jones boys really screwed this one up.

So was the skins and boys owners there also when the other owners served Dallas and Washington

 

[dreghorn2]

On the flip side --

if i was an NFL owner who had lost players, seen their salary structures radically readjusted, or who couldn't sign players they wanted because of the free spending of high revenue teams like Dallas and Washington, i too might be a little upset by what occurred.

Particularly with the Washington situation, they overspent like mad and then when the CAP system seemed ready to finally punish them, and to a lesser extent Dallas (validating the competitive balance rules the league prides itself on), they dumped a crap load of crap and got off scot free.

Not only scot free but fully primed to once again outspend their rivals with a great deal of cap space and checkbooks ready to go.

Yes i would be a little ticked.

Did the NFL handle this correctly?

The whole thing appears to have been done in a very underhanded manner -- coercing the NFLPA etc -- but their hands were tied when the contract dumping initially went down because of the labor negotiations. Still the whole thing could have been resolved differently and only underscores just how PO'ed the other owners are for what they perceive as two teams escaping from bad deals and situations brought on only by themselves.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

On the flip side --

if i was an NFL owner who had lost players, seen their salary structures radically readjusted, or who couldn't sign players they wanted because of the free spending of high revenue teams like Dallas and Washington, i too might be a little upset by what occurred.

Particularly with the Washington situation, they overspent like mad and then when the CAP system seemed ready to finally punish them, and to a lesser extent Dallas (validating the competitive balance rules the league prides itself on), they dumped a crap load of crap and got off scot free.

Not only scot free but fully primed to once again outspend their rivals with a great deal of cap space and checkbooks ready to go.

Yes i would be a little ticked.

Did the NFL handle this correctly?

The whole thing appears to have been done in a very underhanded manner -- coercing the NFLPA etc -- but their hands were tied when the contract dumping initially went down because of the labor negotiations. Still the whole thing could have been resolved differently and only underscores just how PO'ed the other owners are for what they perceive as two teams escaping from bad deals and situations brought on only by themselves.

Then they should be furious at the league for approving it and asked the contracts to be voided. What they did is just some halfassed solution to try and make it seem that they aren't enforcing a cap that didn't exist.

The small market teams were the impetus behind the lockout to begin with. Screw them.

 

[Teague31]

Still waiting for someone to explain exactly how Jerry "screwed up". Nothing we did was against the rules and the league approved the contracts.

 

[EJ Blue]

why does the front page of dc.com say the Cowboys could take a 10 mil cap hit over two years? Has nothing been finalized yet? I was kinda under the impression that the NFL went in, took the money, and said deal with it.

 

[dreghorn2]

Then they should be furious at the league for approving it and asked the contracts to be voided. What they did is just some halfassed solution to try and make it seem that they aren't enforcing a cap that didn't exist.

The small market teams were the impetus behind the lockout to begin with. Screw them.

Again, the problem was the NFLPA negotiations, they couldn't say anything at that time, too much on the line.

Man they must have been pissed though because to pull this off, at this time, means (28 or so) teams have been steamed and plotting for two years.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

why does the front page of dc.com say the Cowboys could take a 10 mil cap hit over two years? Has nothing been finalized yet? I was kinda under the impression that the NFL went in, took the money, and said deal with it.

We don't know what the Cowboys have been told. The Commanders say that have not been told their cap figures will be reduced but that leaves a lot of things that they could have been told including the so called options presented. knowing Snyder, he will not go easy about this. Control freaks do not like this type of thing especially when they are given at the very last minute.

 

[Nightman]

So was the skins and boys owners there also when the other owners served Dallas and Washington

There was probably some kind of vote or at least a straw poll. Either way it didn't have to be unanimous.

 

[Go Big D!]

On the flip side --

if i was an NFL owner who had lost players, seen their salary structures radically readjusted, or who couldn't sign players they wanted because of the free spending of high revenue teams like Dallas and Washington, i too might be a little upset by what occurred.

Particularly with the Washington situation, they overspent like mad and then when the CAP system seemed ready to finally punish them, and to a lesser extent Dallas (validating the competitive balance rules the league prides itself on), they dumped a crap load of crap and got off scot free.

Not only scot free but fully primed to once again outspend their rivals with a great deal of cap space and checkbooks ready to go.

Yes i would be a little ticked.

Did the NFL handle this correctly?

The whole thing appears to have been done in a very underhanded manner -- coercing the NFLPA etc -- but their hands were tied when the contract dumping initially went down because of the labor negotiations. Still the whole thing could have been resolved differently and only underscores just how PO'ed the other owners are for what they perceive as two teams escaping from bad deals and situations brought on only by themselves.

So in your scenario what of the owners of the other teams that that also frontloaded contracts but got away with it only to be rewarded with more cap space on behalf of the Cowboys and Redsk*ns?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Again, the problem was the NFLPA negotiations, they couldn't say anything at that time, too much on the line.

Man they must have been pissed though because to pull this off, at this time, means (28 or so) teams have been steamed and plotting for two years.

I understand why they did it but the NFLPA negotiation underscore the point. Now the Cowboys and Commanders have that ammunition and we will see what they do with it. I loathe Goodell so I would file tomorrow requesting an immediate injunction for the NFL to cease and desist taking action on the basis of their refusal to collude with no CBA in place.

The NFL approved the contracts because they had no basis to refuse them. Those contracts are still in force. Goodell is just hoping this last miute thing forces the issue I am guessing.

 

[dreghorn2]

So in your scenario what of the owners of the other teams that that also frontloaded contracts but got away with it only to be rewarded with more cap space on behalf of the Cowboys and Redsk*ns?

Which contracts are they?

 

[Nightman]

Still waiting for someone to explain exactly how Jerry "screwed up". Nothing we did was against the rules and the league approved the contracts.

The contracts were written in way get the maximum amount of cost pushed into the uncapped year for star players. The league warned the teams not to push the limits of spending cash upfront to save cap room down the road, once the CBA was finalized. Dallas and Wash gambled that once everything was finalized no one would want to go back and pick at the scab, but obviously some of the other owners are still mad.

 

[dreghorn2]

I understand why they did it but the NFLPA negotiation underscore the point. Now the Cowboys and Commanders have that ammunition and we will see what they do with it. I loathe Goodell so I would file tomorrow requesting an immediate injunction for the NFL to cease and desist taking action on the basis of their refusal to collude with no CBA in place.

The NFL approved the contracts because they had no basis to refuse them. Those contracts are still in force. Goodell is just hoping this last miute thing forces the issue I am guessing.

Yep so do i.

As far as last minute stuff, i can't imagine a scenario where Goodell and the other owners would not know that this decision, and the timing of its release, would not cause a significant stir.

I am sure they have discussed for some time all the possible scenarios that DAL and WASH might place before them as they react to the ruling.

I think they mean business.

 

[WVSkinsfan]

I stoled this post from my skins site and he brings up some good points.

This could set a VERY dangerous precedent, if the NFL wins this. It would open the door for the NFL docking cap space for anything that a majority of owners deemed "unfair." Teams don't like the way the Pats do business trading away players for picks or trading down in the draft? Get a majority together and get Rog on the phone. Vote and dock them those picks.

 

[gmoney112]

ithink we should pucnh them all in their stupid heads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Trajan]

If Jerry wants to scam the system the least he can do is get some wins from it.

 

[Iron_Man]

This is a BS call from the league. Making up rules as they go.

 

[JBond]

Jones should strip the visiting owner's box bare and leave them a couple of metal folding chairs, a warm sixpack of Old Milwaukee and a half-eaten bag of pork rinds...

LOL. You are one of my favorite contributors to the zone.

 

[Go Big D!]

Which contracts are they?

The ones that AdamJT and Hoofbite laid out earlier in this thread.

Okay, I just went through and searched this whole thread (since you must have missed the 10+ pages where this was all discussed):

AdamJT13:

The Packers also gave Nick Collins a roster bonus of $8.3 million in the uncapped year to give him a "cap" number of $10.95 million. The next year, when the cap returned, his cap number was only $5.18 million -- less than half. The same with Ryan Picket, but with a smaller bonus ($6,437,500) and smaller cap numbers ($8.44 million in 2010, only $4.21 million in 2011). The same with BJ Raji -- $5,222,500 roster bonus, $7.89 million in 2010, only $3.06 million in 2011. Apparently, it was perfectly OK for them to dump money into the uncapped year

Hoofbite:

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