NFL Supplemental Draft

[DLCassidy]

Interesting discussion that has totally and completely run it's course unless someone here can get Al Groh on the blower.

 

[silverbear]

Your taking this way to seriously. But you are good

Gimme something else worth discussing, and I'll be happy to spend some of my time on that, too... but these days, the only debates of any kind seem to be about Brooks and Greg Ellis... and it may well be that the only reason there's debate there is because I instigated it...

It's the slow time of the year, football-wise, and I need something to pass the time... there's really nothing more to it than that... it ain't like I'm ANGRY in this thread or anything, I have said all along that I'll be cool if the Boys don't make any kind of run at him... I'll just figure they did their homework, and learned some things that turned them off...

Anyway, gimme something else interesting to talk about, and I'll be happy to talk about it... I've been reduced to arguing politics on one of the other football boards I frequent...

That might help me get over the hump, get over 4000 posts... LOL...

 

[silverbear]

I said he was a troublemaker that we did not need.

Oh, you said a BIT more than that... for one thing, you said that he was fat and out of shape, implying that was because he was lazy... in rebuttal, I offered you a laundry list of injuries that he suffered from early March last year right on through the season itself...

For another thing, you claimed that he wasn't any better than what we already had... I offered you statistical facts to prove that he was very, very good his freshman and sophomore years-- before he got hurt... I then challenged you to produce the numbers of those other linebackers you claimed were just as good as he is, but you simply weaselled out...

It's rather disingenuous of you to distort what you've been arguing in this thread, particularly when the evidence is there for anybody who cares to read the whole thread...

 

[silverbear]

Interesting discussion that has totally and completely run it's course unless someone here can get Al Groh on the blower.

I expect the media will have some of Al's quotes from us after Brooks' on-campus workout July 13th... I've already predicted that he'll be there to be supportive of Ahmad...

 

[DLCassidy]

Anyway, gimme something else interesting to talk about, and I'll be happy to talk about it...

You're right this time of year ain't easy.

Here's a few ideas for discussion, most all of which have already been discussed of course in various forms:

Grading the NFCE draft for 2006: if the impact of the draft was limited to their potential contributions this season only, which teams did the best?

How many additional yards of field position per kick does a KO specialist have to provide to be worth a roster spot? Will we end up using a KO specialist?

Does Lousaka Polite make the team? If not, how does our offense change?

Who will be our most improved offensive lineman this year? Rob Petitti? Marco Rivera? Al Johnson? Stephen Peterman? Marco Columbo? What will be the final depth chart on the OL? Who will dress? practice squad?

Last year we ran 2 successful flea flickers for TD's. Should we add any additional "gadget" plays this year? if so what?

Who does adding TO to our offense benefit the most? Terry Glenn? Julius Jones? Drew Bledsoe? The offensive line? How does adding TO change our offensive philosophy? Are we still going to run as much as pass?

Last year we were outplayed in all 3 of our division road games, losing 2 of 3. Who in the division will we beat on the road and why?

 

[burmafrd]

Silver, let it go. We are not using any first day pick on Brooks- and someone else might be dumb enough to use one. Unless Al Groh tells BP that this kid can be counted on- AND HOW COULD HE SAY THAT- BP ain't going to pick him. SImple as that. I still say he is no real jump in talent to what WE ALREADY HAVE. The ones we have now had just as good stats as Brooks.
Just no profit in taking a chance on him. Maybe a 5th rd pick.... but I sure would not use anything higher. Oh, and by the way, VA plays no where near the schedule that Nebraska and Ohio State does. No way as tough. Carpenter and Burnett got their stats playing a lot tougher schedule.

 

[burmafrd]

We were very close in 1 of those games we lost. Winning one, staying close in one, getting blown out in one. Not too bad. NOT GREAT, but not bad.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So does Brooks...

we shall see come July 16th

Provided some folks who know him, like Al Groh, were to tell me they think that's a reasonable gamble... if he IS a druggie, and can't stay away from that stuff, then he's not worth a gamble at all...

I agree that Groh is key, I just don't see him giving a ringing endorsement of Brooks, or one that it's enough to placate Parcells

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Knowing the way Parcells loves linebackers, I'd bet the family ranch that the Cowboys are doing their homework on Ahmad even as we speak here... I'll be astounded if they don't have some of their people in attendance at his on-campus workout...

I don't doubt that, I'm just saying that if we don't take Brooks, that it won't be only because Groh didn't give a glowing endorsement, that they could feel that a draft pick could be spent elsewhere

 

[DLCassidy]

Silver, let it go. We are not using any first day pick on Brooks- and someone else might be dumb enough to use one. Unless Al Groh tells BP that this kid can be counted on- AND HOW COULD HE SAY THAT- BP ain't going to pick him. SImple as that. I still say he is no real jump in talent to what WE ALREADY HAVE. The ones we have now had just as good stats as Brooks.
Just no profit in taking a chance on him. Maybe a 5th rd pick.... but I sure would not use anything higher. Oh, and by the way, VA plays no where near the schedule that Nebraska and Ohio State does. No way as tough. Carpenter and Burnett got their stats playing a lot tougher schedule.

What has Nebraska got to do with anything?

 

[burmafrd]

Sliver was trying to make the point that VA had just as tough a schedule as Ohio State and Nebraska. I said they didn't- and that the production by Burnett and Carpenter should be measured that way. For some reason I thought Burnett went to Nebraska- Tenn is where he went. BUT my arguement is the same- and actually better since Tenn plays even a tougher schedule then Nebraska.

 

[Alexander]

What has Nebraska got to do with anything?

I think that was intended as a slam against the ACC versus the BIG 12.

Nevermind that the ACC probably produced more viable NFL players in recent years.

 

[DLCassidy]

Sliver was trying to make the point that VA had just as tough a schedule as Ohio State and Nebraska. I said they didn't- and that the production by Burnett and Carpenter should be measured that way. For some reason I thought Burnett went to Nebraska- Tenn is where he went. BUT my arguement is the same- and actually better since Tenn plays even a tougher schedule then Nebraska.

So can I jump to the next conclusion which is you think Mario Williams is overrated and that you didn't want Manny Lawson?

 

[burmafrd]

I actually wanted Manny- but I agree that Carpenter is ready to play now, even if he may not have the upside that Manny has. Mario Williams I think is over rated- not a lot- but to compare him to Julius Peppers is a bit much yet.

 

[MONT17]

Silver, let it go. We are not using any first day pick on Brooks- and someone else might be dumb enough to use one. Unless Al Groh tells BP that this kid can be counted on- AND HOW COULD HE SAY THAT- BP ain't going to pick him. SImple as that. I still say he is no real jump in talent to what WE ALREADY HAVE. The ones we have now had just as good stats as Brooks.
Just no profit in taking a chance on him. Maybe a 5th rd pick.... but I sure would not use anything higher. Oh, and by the way, VA plays no where near the schedule that Nebraska and Ohio State does. No way as tough. Carpenter and Burnett got their stats playing a lot tougher schedule.

do u have any stats to back up the Nebraska and OSU schedules are harder than VA?

 

[DLCassidy]

I actually wanted Manny

You do know NC State is in the ACC, right? Just wondering.

 

[Stash]

do u have any stats to back up the Nebraska and OSU schedules are harder than VA?

He hasn't had a stat to back up anything he's said. His entire case is based on his opinion.

He brought a knife to a gunfight...........

:shoot4:

 

[burmafrd]

Looking at the schedules for Tenn and Ohio State vs VA. I say they are tougher. For one the BIG 10 and SEC are tougher then the ACC. Do you disagree? VA played Duke, Syracuse,Temple and Western Michigan. ALso Vtech, Miami Fla and Florida State. 4 patsies and 3 toughies.Maryland, BC, North Carolina and Ga Tech. middle of the road teams. And Minnesotta. They were destroyed by V Tech.
Ohio State played Texas, Iowa, Michigan, , Penn State and Notre Dame. Now they did have 2 patsies - somewhat - in Miami Ohio and San Diego State- BUT they are nowhere near the patsies that Temple, Duke and Western Michigan were. By any objective measurement Ohio State had a much tougher schedule. Tenn: Notre Dame, Georgia, LSU, ALabama. South Carolina, Ole Miss and Kentucky are not pushovers either. Now they did also have patsies in UAB and Memphis- Vanderbilt too. BUT once again I would say that Tenn had a tougher schedule then VA.

 

[silverbear]

Silver, let it go.

Where did you get the notion you can order me around, son?? If you want this thing to end, YOU walk away... so long as you keep arguing this with me, I'll be right here...

We are not using any first day pick on Brooks

Not only did I never say we would do any such thing, I clearly said I wouldn't spend more than a 4th round pick...

Reading is fundamental...

I still say he is no real jump in talent to what WE ALREADY HAVE. The ones we have now had just as good stats as Brooks.

And I say that's pure and unadulterated BS... since you're too lazy, or too dishonest, to produce the stats that would back up that bogus assertion, I'll just challenge you to point out which of our current linebackers were one of the three finalists for the Butkus Award (given annually to the nation's best linebacker), the way Ahmad was as a sophomore...

Oh, and by the way, VA plays no where near the schedule that Nebraska and Ohio State does. No way as tough. Carpenter and Burnett got their stats playing a lot tougher schedule.

Again, Burnett played for TENNESSEE, not Nebraska... your ignorance of that simple fact shows how little you really know about the subject... but like I said, the ACC is widely considered to be one of the best conferences in the nation, so it's ridiculous of you to try to knock Brooks because of the level of competition he faced...

Particularly when once again, you bring no FACTS to the table... you seem to think that if you say it, that's all that's necessary... well, sorry, burma, but you don't have a whole lot of credibility... not with me, and not with anybody else when you can't even figure out what school Burnett attended...

 

[silverbear]

we shall see come July 16th

All we'll see then is if any teams are willing to look past his off-field problems... or don't you think that his off-field issues might work to drive down his draft value some...

Nope, we won't see anything at all in regard to each player's talents until we see them both play a year or two or three...