NFL Supplemental Draft

[DLCassidy]

I doubt either one makes the 53 man roster... one of them might make the practice squad, maybe...

They were both good college players, but both are too slow for the NFL... the Cowboys' other linebackers all tend to be significantly faster (they're both in the 4.85-4.9 range, most of the Cowboys' linebackers run 4.7 or better)...

Being inside in the 3-4 helps some. You don't need to a sideline to sideline guy. Neither guy is a candidate to be a three down player BUT don't underestimate the importance of having bonafide run stuffers in the LB corp. IMO Shanle is not a lock and if he goes you could keep one of Parham/Hoyte.

 

[DLCassidy]

Naw, I'm way too old to be chasin' college honeys these days...

I mean, I might actually CATCH one, and then what would I do??

:laugh1:

(old Irish joke)

Girlfriend of Paddy's wife: Did you know 'ol Paddy is out chasing the girls?

Paddy's wife: Let him chase the girls. You see dogs chasing cars but they can't drive.

 

[burmafrd]

SO why don't you list his stats vs SAY Carpenter, Burnett, etc. I REALLY doubt they are any better. ALSO- just how tough a schedule did he play vs say CARPENTER and BURNETT. VA plays what kind of schedule compared to Nebraska and Ohio State?

 

[Hostile]

:laugh1:

(old Irish joke)

Girlfriend of Paddy's wife: Did you know 'ol Paddy is out chasing the girls?

Paddy's wife: Let him chase the girls. You see dogs chasing cars but they can't drive.

My Grandpa would have loved that joke.

 

[burmafrd]

Pete Prisco:
The top player in this summer's supplemental draft, scheduled for July 13, is former Virginia linebacker Ahmad Brooks. But he has baggage, lots of it. "There's a lot there," said one AFC scout. "He got away with murder at Virginia. He didn't practice. He's a bad kid. But he has talent." As a sophomore, Brooks looked like star in the making. He was an active 240-pound linebacker who made plays all over the field. "If he came out after his sophomore season, he would have been a top 10 pick," said the scout. Brooks played in only six games last season, and his weight ballooned. He didn't play as well, and then he was kicked off the team in the spring. That forced him into the supplemental draft. Brooks has been working out in Atlanta with a trainer and his weight, which the scout said got as high as 280, is down some. If Brooks can show that he has overcome the physical troubles and convince teams he won't be an off-field problem, he is worth fourth-round pick. It's risky, but it also could prove to be a steal. He has Ray Lewis-type ability, but he's 6-4 and will play at about 240 pounds.

 

[silverbear]

Being inside in the 3-4 helps some.

It's true that traditionally, you don't need the straight-line speed to play inside in the 3-4... but I repeat, take a look at the Cowboys' linebacking corps, and tell me who else is as slow as Parham or Hoyte...

IMO Shanle is not a lock and if he goes you could keep one of Parham/Hoyte.

It could happen, but I honestly doubt it... of course, if either of them plays lights out in camp, that'll change everything... I just don't think that either of them has the game to do that in the Cowboys' scheme...

And like I said, I'm a long-time Cavs fan, it would tickle me to have another of their players make the team-- if deserves it...

 

[Hostile]

It's true that traditionally, you don't need the straight-line speed to play inside in the 3-4... but I repeat, take a look at the Cowboys' linebacking corps, and tell me who else is as slow as Parham or Hoyte...



It could happen, but I honestly doubt it... of course, if either of them plays lights out in camp, that'll change everything... I just don't think that either of them has the game to do that in the Cowboys' scheme...

And like I said, I'm a long-time Cavs fan, it would tickle me to have another of their players make the team-- if deserves it...

I am very interested in drafting Brooks. I think he's not done and has something to prove.

 

[silverbear]

SO why don't you list his stats vs SAY Carpenter, Burnett, etc. I REALLY doubt they are any better.

I could easily, if I chose to do so... but I provided the stats of the player I'm backing in this argument, now YOU'RE the one claiming that your guys' stats are better, so it's on you to prove your case...

I note with interest that you've gone from stating with a certainty that the other guys are better to "I REALLY doubt they are any better"...

If you wanna be taken seriously, burma, it's on you to back up your arguments with fact... absent that, all you is braying uninformed opinions...

ALSO- just how tough a schedule did he play vs say CARPENTER and BURNETT. VA plays what kind of schedule compared to Nebraska and Ohio State?

ROTFLMAO... the Cavs play in the ACC, one of the 3 or 4 best conferences in the nation... that means every year, they have games against Miami, Florida State, Virginia Tech and Boston College... these are perennial top 25 teams...

For you to question the strength of schedule the Cavs play shows quite conclusively that you don't know what you're talking about...

BTW, Burnett played for Tennessee, not Nebraska...

 

[silverbear]

Pete Prisco:
The top player in this summer's supplemental draft, scheduled for July 13, is former Virginia linebacker Ahmad Brooks. But he has baggage, lots of it. "There's a lot there," said one AFC scout. "He got away with murder at Virginia. He didn't practice. He's a bad kid. But he has talent."

So, because some anonymous scout trashes the guy, that makes it gospel?? Well, let's look at that "didn't practice" accusation-- the TRUTH is, he missed a few practices while dealing with some unspecified personal problems before the start of the 04 season-- with the team's blessing... said Groh at the time:

["He's been doing great," Groh said of Brooks. "This is the best training camp that he's had. His attitude has been terrific. There's just some things that he needs to have the opportunity to deal with."[/quote]

Hmmmm, kinda contradicts the picture the scout is painting, doesn't it??

Here's your link to that article quoted above:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A11559-2004Aug18.html

As a sophomore, Brooks looked like star in the making. He was an active 240-pound linebacker who made plays all over the field.

Except Brooks played at 250 his sophomore year... the same article I quoted above says as much...

"If he came out after his sophomore season, he would have been a top 10 pick," said the scout.

There you go, straight from the lips of that anonymous scout who was trashing Ahmad... he was a top 10 talent-- when HEALTHY...

If Brooks can show that he has overcome the physical troubles and convince teams he won't be an off-field problem, he is worth fourth-round pick. It's risky, but it also could prove to be a steal. He has Ray Lewis-type ability, but he's 6-4 and will play at about 240 pounds.

He's expected to play at 260-265, actually... and he'll still run in the 4.5 range at that weight...

But even the article you cite says he's worth a fourth round pick, and says he has Ray Lewis-type ability (a comparison I've seen in other articles)...

There is NO issue with his talent, and IMO no REAL issue with his weight... the only valid concern, and it is a valid concern, is those repeated flunked drug tests... is he a dedicated doper, or was he just a foolish young man??

That's the question that the Cowboys (or any team that might be interested in him) have to answer...

If you can go looking for articles that you think prove your point, how come you can't be bothered to do the research, and look up the stats of the current linebackers on the Cowboys' roster, who you claim are just as good as Ahmad is??

I'm guessing you DID go looking for those stats, and found out that Ahmad's were better...

 

[silverbear]

I am very interested in drafting Brooks. I think he's not done and has something to prove.

We seem to be in a distinct minority around here... but I'm content to let the Cowboys' brass judge this for themselves, because I'm confident that they'll have even better input on this situation than I've been able to dig up... thanks to Parcells' ties to Al Groh, I'm quite certain that they'll know the entire inside story behind Brooks' dismissal from the team, and will be able to judge fairly accurately Ahmad's character...

If they pass on him, so be it... if they make a run at him, that will tell us all that Groh gave Parcells a fairly positive review...

 

[Stash]

We seem to be in a distinct minority around here... but I'm content to let the Cowboys' brass judge this for themselves, because I'm confident that they'll have even better input on this situation than I've been able to dig up... thanks to Parcells' ties to Al Groh, I'm quite certain that they'll know the entire inside story behind Brooks' dismissal from the team, and will be able to judge fairly accurately Ahmad's character...

If they pass on him, so be it... if they make a run at him, that will tell us all that Groh gave Parcells a fairly positive review...

That sums it up nicely and echoes my stance.

If Parcells and the Cowboys draft him, it must mean that Al Groh gave them a solid report on him.

If not, then he didn't.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Carpenter doesn't have any pro stats to hang your hat on either...

but he does have the ability many people feel will allow him to transition to being a good pro in the NFL

it's good that Ahmad Brook's weight issues were injury-induced

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If not, then he didn't.

it could also mean that Dallas just doesn't feel the need to bid for him

 

[silverbear]

but he does have the ability many people feel will allow him to transition to being a good pro in the NFL

So does Brooks... I have seen a number of scouts draw a comparison to Ray Lewis, only bigger... I have also seen scouting reports that said if he had been able to come out after his sophomore year, he would have been a top 10pick...

That's the only reason I'm defending the guy in here (well, that and the fact I'm a Cavs fan), I think he's very, very good... so good that I might be willing to gamble that he won't fall prey to the weed thing again...

Provided some folks who know him, like Al Groh, were to tell me they think that's a reasonable gamble... if he IS a druggie, and can't stay away from that stuff, then he's not worth a gamble at all...

 

[silverbear]

it could also mean that Dallas just doesn't feel the need to bid for him

Knowing the way Parcells loves linebackers, I'd bet the family ranch that the Cowboys are doing their homework on Ahmad even as we speak here... I'll be astounded if they don't have some of their people in attendance at his on-campus workout...

 

[burmafrd]

Silver, you are starting to sound like Kartr about Q. Your man love is really showing.

 

[silverbear]

Silver, you are starting to sound like Kartr about Q. Your man love is really showing.

And you sound like Brooks poisoned your girlfriend and slept with your dog...

At least I'm bringing facts to the table, you haven't brought jack but your silly opinions...

If you think I'll back down in the face of that kind of rebuttal, you're deluding yourself... I'm perfectly willing to keep right on helping you make yourself look foolish, so long as you feel like trying to argue with me...

 

[dbair1967]

And you sound like Brooks poisoned your girlfriend and slept with your dog...

At least I'm bringing facts to the table, you haven't brought jack but your silly opinions...

If you think I'll back down in the face of that kind of rebuttal, you're deluding yourself... I'm perfectly willing to keep right on helping you make yourself look foolish, so long as you feel like trying to argue with me...

SB, honestly you havent brought any facts...all you have brought is speculation yourself...unless you know the guy personally or have info you arnt telling everyone else, you've done nothing but argue on behalf of Brooks with nothing to support it as well

and all your arguing still hasnt changed the fact that:

1) whatever he did was so bad that the coaching staff decided it wasnt worth trying to suspend him or discipline him some other way first- they kicked him out instead

2) he played poorly last yr and

3) he was extremely fat, out of shape and slow last season

all any of us can do is speculate...the only people who apparently REALLY know what happened are Groh and his staff, UVA administrators and Brooks

David

 

[CalMor]

this asinine attempt by you to portray him as some kind of sociopath is really quite nauseating

Your taking this way to seriously. But you are good

 

[burmafrd]

I said he was a troublemaker that we did not need. You trying to say that the EVIDENCE does not support that. BUT YOU HAVE NONE that says he is not a troublemaker.