NFL Supplemental Draft

[Bob Sacamano]

Bottom line, I think our linebacking corps is improved, but I also think that in the 3-4, you can never have enough quality linebacking...

that's why we bring in players like John Saldi, Kai Parham, that LB from NC State, not use a draft pick on a player with some issues

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Not if he goes that high... but if Groh gives a sufficiently favorable scouting report, I would not be surprised at all to see the Boys put in some kind of second day bid on him...

What in the world would make you think or even consider that Groh would give him a good scouting report after what he said was the reason he let the player go in the first place?

If anything I would think he would NOT give him a good scouting report.

Honestly I am not understanding how you could even contemplate that Groh would give a good scouting report.

It is one thing to say taking drugs is not the same as being a thug but come on even bringing up a what if al gave a good scouting report type of idea seems silly after what we have heard from al.

Sounds like you are just locked into argument mode in this situation and do not want to admit it is not in the boys best interest to take this player.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Honestly I am not understanding how you could even contemplate that Groh would give a good scouting report.

because UVA is allowing him to workout on their field and Groh is supposed to be there during it...probably to scare other coaches off :

 

[DLCassidy]

Not if he goes that high... but if Groh gives a sufficiently favorable scouting report, I would not be surprised at all to see the Boys put in some kind of second day bid on him...

Yes, that's possible. But I think despite the guy's athletic gifts his apparent inability to stay clear of the chronic IMO will drop him further than the 3rd. That's why it's a tough call and I think your earlier post about Groh's report to Parcell's being key is spot on. The coach usually knows whether a guy picked up 2nd hand smoke at a party or if he has a blunt on fire every three minutes.

If he's even potentially anything more than a guy who's been an occassional user (and few guys in college haven't experimented a time or 2) I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. Having a guy suspended for drugs is corrosive to a team. Even if he's not suspended guys know who's burning what and IMO it's an unnecessary distraction and it could encourage others to join in. The last thing we need is a luggage rack full of Whizzinator's.

 

[burmafrd]

Bottom line is that he is just not worth the hassle. His stats are not any better then several of the guys we already have. So what if physically he is a freak? Mentally he appears to be a MIDGET.

 

[silverbear]

so it was 2nd hand smoke for you? :laugh1:

Naw, by that time I was an eager participant... I only went to those things for the girls and the dope (that stuff's expensive, and I'm cheap)...

 

[DLCassidy]

that's why we bring in players like John Saldi, Kai Parham, that LB from NC State, not use a draft pick on a player with some issues

Good point. Inside backers are easier to find and we already have 2 quality starters IMO that are both young. Hoyte or Parham don't have Brooks speed but they are both productive players one of whom will likely give us a quality depth guy. That's why we have no need to gamble on Brooks unless it's a 5th or later.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Good point. Inside backers are easier to find and we already have 2 quality starters IMO that are both young. Hoyte or Parham don't have Brooks speed but they are both productive players one of whom will likely give us a quality depth guy. That's why we have no need to gamble on Brooks unless it's a 5th or later.

we have the starters, and now we have out of SHanle, Fowler, Hoyte, and Parham to choose from as backups, we should be able to find 2 quality ones out of that group for ILB

 

[silverbear]

What in the world would make you think or even consider that Groh would give him a good scouting report after what he said was the reason he let the player go in the first place?

The fact that UVa is allowing him to work out on campus, and that Groh himself intends to be there... I rather doubt he'd show up just to trash Brooks, if he was gonna do that he'd do it behind the scenes...

Honestly I am not understanding how you could even contemplate that Groh would give a good scouting report.

For openers, I honestly believe he wanted to keep him on the team, but was overruled by his AD...

Sounds like you are just locked into argument mode in this situation and do not want to admit it is not in the boys best interest to take this player.

Believe that if you must, but I'm not that emotionally invested in this thing... I have reasons for believing that Groh might give Parcells a scouting report that would surprise some of y'all...

You'll have to admit, I've brought more details about this situation to this argument than anybody else in here has, which suggests that maybe I've studied it a little more closely than most of y'all have...

 

[silverbear]

Yes, that's possible. But I think despite the guy's athletic gifts his apparent inability to stay clear of the chronic IMO will drop him further than the 3rd.

I've read rumors-- and I stress they are rumors, I have no way of knowing if they're true or not-- that a number of teams have given thought to spending a first day pick on Brooks...

 

[DLCassidy]

You'll have to admit, I've brought more details about this situation to this argument than anybody else in here has, which suggests that maybe I've studied it a little more closely than most of y'all have...

Very true.....come to think of it was it you that blew that bong hit into poor Ahmad's face at that party?

 

[silverbear]

Bottom line is that he is just not worth the hassle. His stats are not any better then several of the guys we already have.

You keep saying that-- PROVE IT...

I say you're full of it...

I've already given you Brooks' stats from his first two seasons at UVa, show me the college stats of any of our linebackers who did better...

Absent that, we're back to my sincere belief that you don't know what you're talking about...

 

[silverbear]

Good point. Inside backers are easier to find and we already have 2 quality starters IMO that are both young. Hoyte or Parham don't have Brooks speed but they are both productive players one of whom will likely give us a quality depth guy.

I doubt either one makes the 53 man roster... one of them might make the practice squad, maybe...

They were both good college players, but both are too slow for the NFL... the Cowboys' other linebackers all tend to be significantly faster (they're both in the 4.85-4.9 range, most of the Cowboys' linebackers run 4.7 or better)...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I've already given you Brooks' stats from his first two seasons at UVa, show me the college stats of any of our linebackers who did better...

there's college stats, and then there's the ability to translate to the pro game, we'll see after his workout and the supplemental draft, how teams think he'll transition to the pros, the fact that players only get bigger as they get older can't bode really well for Brooks since he has to work really hard to get his weight down now

 

[DLCassidy]

I've read rumors-- and I stress they are rumors, I have no way of knowing if they're true or not-- that a number of teams have given thought to spending a first day pick on Brooks...

I'm sure you have. I just think when July 13th rolls around there may be some hesitation among GM's when it comes time to hit the "select" button. The NFL is a conservative bunch. Of course it only takes one....maybe Brooks will be a Raider.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I doubt either one makes the 53 man roster... one of them might make the practice squad, maybe...

They were both good college players, but both are too slow for the NFL... the Cowboys' other linebackers all tend to be significantly faster (they're both in the 4.85-4.9 range, most of the Cowboys' linebackers run 4.7 or better)...

I wouldn't be suprised to see Brooks run in the 4.8 range

 

[silverbear]

Very true.....come to think of it was it you that blew that bong hit into poor Ahmad's face at that party?

Naw, I'm way too old to be chasin' college honeys these days...

I mean, I might actually CATCH one, and then what would I do??

 

[silverbear]

there's college stats, and then there's the ability to translate to the pro game,

This is true, but the only point of comparison we have is each player's college stats... Carpenter doesn't have any pro stats to hang your hat on either... I do think that Ahmad's speed when he's healthy suggests he can make that transition to the pro game...

we'll see after his workout and the supplemental draft, how teams think he'll transition to the pros, the fact that players only get bigger as they get older can't bode really well for Brooks since he has to work really hard to get his weight down now

Again, Ahmad never had a weight problem until he got HURT... there is no reason to believe he'll struggle with his weight so long as he's healthy...

 

[silverbear]

Of course it only takes one....maybe Brooks will be a Raider.

That would hardly be a shock... LOL...

 

[silverbear]

I wouldn't be suprised to see Brooks run in the 4.8 range

If he's fully healthy, and down under 270, he'll run under 4.6... speed was his game at UVa...

But if you're right, then I'd lose all interest in the guy...