NFL Team 4th Quarter Points/Game

[DandyDon52]

I call this a mild spin.

I actually did the excercise and the cleveland and atlanta games come to mind on turnovers. but not rams, not seattle and not the giants. and I find it interesting you mention Dak but not zeke or schultz for their fumbles in the games in the first half....I also did the same excercise for scoring in the first half and it was average to above average, but defense couldn't/didn't make any stops....so the tendency is to say we had slow starts. scoring 14 in the first half is not a slow start. giving up 31 is. being up 14-7 at the end of first quarter is not a slow start. so we can't say it was a slow start because the offense didn't score 31.....to keep up.....

and Jamies finished #1 in passing yards.....not the #1 QB.....

all you said is I acknowledge defense was historically bad, but I still want to blame Dak...nobody else on the offense bears responsibility...

some will put it all on dak, but the truth is , Mike,Kellen and the other players at times are all to blame as well.
Dallas has had poor coaching, game plans, and play calling for years. That needs to be corrected for the players
to do better.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

@PAPPYDOG Throw back Classic Dak Hate .....Look at this gem from July 14 2018

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/dak-extinction.409029/

Yes this is the Age of Dak-Extinction......and how extensive and damaging it will be still remains a work in progress.

1. We lost a Franchise QB (Romo) - THIS IS WHY @PAPPYDOG HATES DAK.....Dak Benched Romo's Overrated Career

2.We lost a # 1 Wr in Dez ( Say what you will he demanded Double coverage) - Hello Amari Cooper

3' We lost a HOF TE who retired against his wishes knowing Dak just cant get the job done. - BUT WITTEN CAME BACK

4.We have lost our "Passing game" which is now a dink and dunk affair and the most predictable offense in the NFL. We are now a College offense they say its Dak-friendly..... - GOAL POST SHIFT ......ENDZONE IS NOW THE LATEST SHIFT

5.We signed Fleming T and drafted Williams G to accommodate Dak's weaknesses instead of shoring up the defense. - So this NOT Tony Romo's TEam anymore??

6.Zeke will be cooked withing 3 years with Dak at QB due to over usage....and GL finding another Zeke! - Zeke is having the BEST Off-season & Training Camp of his Career

7.Without a QB who defenses do not fear our offense showed last season what it ultimate destiny is a anemic affair of 3rd and outs or at best a FG.... - Dallas Made the Play-offs


8.With so many flaws at QB for Dak we run the risk of wasting more valuable years waiting for him to develop while every other player are getting older and losing a step or having there contract expire. - $40M per year 4yrs $160M

9.Dak no matter how many stats or excuses some post here will always be a bench player at best and by the time he's benched will have left our Cowboys in shambles......HATE HATE HATE


10.The Dallas Wall Myth..... 1 injury and the most feared and famous Dallas Wall came crashing down! Get real Boys fan as Zeke will be stopped and then our offense is at the mercy of Dak...OMG....

1989 is closer than most of you here think......

Closer to 1989@PAPPYDOG 3 years later HATE FAIL

I was right back then and unfortunately in the future with the inept Dak!
Yes this is the Age of Dak-Extinction......and how extensive and damaging it will be still remains a work in progress.

1. We lost a Franchise QB (Romo)
2.We lost a # 1 Wr in Dez ( Say what you will he demanded Double coverage)
3' We lost a HOF TE who retired against his wishes knowing Dak just can't get the job done.
4.We have lost our "Passing game" which is now a dink and dunk affair and the most predictable offense in the NFL. We are now a College offense they say it's Dak-friendly.....
5.We signed Fleming T and drafted Williams G to accommodate Dak's weaknesses instead of shoring up the defense.
6.Zeke will be cooked within 3 years with Dak at QB due to over-usage....and GL finding another Zeke!
7.Without a QB whose defenses do not fear our offense showed last season what it ultimate destiny is an anemic affair of 3rd and outs or at best a FG....
8.With so many flaws at QB for Dak we run the risk of wasting more valuable years waiting for him to develop while every other player are getting older and losing a step or having their contract expire.
9.Dak no matter how many stats or excuses some post here will always be a bench player at best and by the time he's benched will have left our Cowboys in shambles......
10.The Dallas Wall Myth..... 1 injury and the most feared and famous Dallas Wall came crashing down! Get real Boys fan as Zeke will be stopped and then our offense is at the mercy of Dak...OMG....

1989 is closer than most of you here think......

 

[DandyDon52]

like I said, your expert eye test of watching football. why you are not running a NFL front office scouting department is beyond me.....

that's classic definition of an eye test.

Well that is one problem the nfl has, they only hire from within the nfl.
And unless you have a dad or family member etc, you cant get into the nfl even at a low level.
Parcells called it the boys club.

 

[NotForLong]

so minus 2016, minus games played in the afternoon, plus games played on grass east of the rockies, minus games on NBC and excluding those that were played when temprature was below 55...got it!!!

how convenient.....

and this is exactly what dak-bashers do...everybody else gets credit for wins...he gets credit for all the losses...I have said this multiple times before...tell me I am lying...because this is what you just said.

"because Zeke and the O-line gets all the credit for that year"

No minus 2016 because He get a no credit for that . . since 2017 we have been his team . . . Numorous people have been kicked off this team and a lot of draft capital has been invested to acquire Dak friendly players. . . The offensive coordinator that played to the strengths of Dak and the offense was replaced but a Passing guru who has tried to showcase Dak . . .

This is now his team and it shows .

And as I said before Cowboys only beat 2 teams with 10 wins that year.

But I could care less I know what he is . . . its you delusional fans that Quote and Deny stats all day that play these word games

 

[jazzcat22]

@coult44 just read this thread, you will see some of the most avid Dak haters.
I am not sure if all of them have posted here yet, as I will not read any further than the 1st page. And I just skimmed through it.

He had asked me in another thread about who the Dak haters are....so here is a great example...

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Cowboy offense gifted the Falcons 24 points. The Cowboy offense gifted the Seahawks 14 points. It was 16-15 near the end of the 1st half. Cowboys fumbled in their territory and Seahawks got a TD. Dak starts the 3rd quarter with an interception in Cowboy territory. Score is now 30-15.

Bear in mind, Dak and the Cowboy offense was playing two putrid defenses in Atlanta and Seattle. Two defenses which were worse than the Cowboy defense. The Seattle defense lost Adams for half (?) the game.

Had Dak and the offense just played average, those two games were easy victories. The Cowboy offense ‘lost’ those games.

oh, I agree, cowboys offense had too many turnovers against Atlanta...all I said was zeke and schultz fumbled, but Dak gets the blame for those turnovers.

and against seahawks, dak had a bad start to start of 3rd quarter...but lets not forget seattle marches down and scores a TD on their second possession (no excuses for defense being tired). giving up a 43 yard TD....but I am sure Dak is to blame. then zeke falls in the end zone because pollard muffed the kick return, but I am sure Dak is to blame. he is supposed to saved everyone's arse and their mistake and when he doesn't its his fault. lets not forget it was 9-9 at the end of 1st quarter....seattle goes through dallas defense like a hot knife through butter and its 23-15.....
lets not forget on the 3rd quarter drive the OL couldn't hold and the it was a sack fumble....was him getting hit from behind and fumbling...but yeah, Dalton gets OL excuse for his piiss poor performance, but Dak gets blamed for lack of OL protection.

yeah, seattle rushed for 117 yards and wilson had 5 TD throws...but yeah, its Dak's fault...and yes, they were poor defenses. so what's zeke's excuses for those games? why did those guys fumble so much? but yeah, lets just close our eyes on those and put the microscope on Dak...

yeah, you have no agenda to drive. so yeah, cowboys offense lost those games...not just dak

 

[NotForLong]

I was right back then and unfortunately in the future with the inept Dak!
Yes this is the Age of Dak-Extinction......and how extensive and damaging it will be still remains a work in progress.

1. We lost a Franchise QB (Romo)
2.We lost a # 1 Wr in Dez ( Say what you will he demanded Double coverage)
3' We lost a HOF TE who retired against his wishes knowing Dak just can't get the job done.
4.We have lost our "Passing game" which is now a dink and dunk affair and the most predictable offense in the NFL. We are now a College offense they say it's Dak-friendly.....
5.We signed Fleming T and drafted Williams G to accommodate Dak's weaknesses instead of shoring up the defense.
6.Zeke will be cooked within 3 years with Dak at QB due to over-usage....and GL finding another Zeke!
7.Without a QB whose defenses do not fear our offense showed last season what it ultimate destiny is an anemic affair of 3rd and outs or at best a FG....
8.With so many flaws at QB for Dak we run the risk of wasting more valuable years waiting for him to develop while every other player are getting older and losing a step or having their contract expire.
9.Dak no matter how many stats or excuses some post here will always be a bench player at best and by the time he's benched will have left our Cowboys in shambles......
10.The Dallas Wall Myth..... 1 injury and the most feared and famous Dallas Wall came crashing down! Get real Boys fan as Zeke will be stopped and then our offense is at the mercy of Dak...OMG....

1989 is closer than most of you here think......

https://encrypted-tbn0.***NOT-ALLOWED***/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTG_NYL85rQU6W-2y6h718RCwU4lGfLxlhb4A&usqp=CAU
Scary accurate . . . or was it just so obvious a blind man could see it coming

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

some will put it all on dak, but the truth is , Mike,Kellen and the other players at times are all to blame as well.
Dallas has had poor coaching, game plans, and play calling for years. That needs to be corrected for the players
to do better.

I agree. everyone forgets Kellen's role in all of this. he is mr. teflon. in 2019 he was bad. a rookie OC, with all of 2 year experience and made so many bad calls and got schooled in several games...2020 wasn't much better....but as Jerry said, its a learning process for his new golden boy.

 

[AKATheRake]

I look at stats in wins and losses and here is how Dak has done:


In 42 Wins Dak's stats: 880 of 1270 for a Comp % of 69.29% 10,748 Yards 76 TD's 11 INT's

In 27 Losses Dak's stats: 634 of 1023 for a Comp % of 61.97% 6,886 Yards 30 TD's 29 INT's


So for those who say Dak isn't to blame for losses how do you explain such a huge stat differential????

Those stats tell me a lot of things.

The losses have Dak passing 33% to 40% more in those games and our offense is not balanced. The score of the games by 3rd quarter would be nice to see.

Unbalanced due to game plan, turnovers and a defense that can’t stop the opposition and we’re playing catch-up. I also bet we are down on time of possession in those games and lost the turnover battle.

We have been on the wrong side overall of the turnover battle for years. Not making excuses for Dak but we have been this way for a few years now and he isn’t heavily turnover prone. Zeke wasn’t either but the last 2 years it’s been them fumbling while in the pocket or carrying the rock. When we carry the rock those are our safety yardage and to help the defense. It wasn’t possible last year because of our injury circumstances and teams knew we were 1 dimensional and had at best an average defense that ended up being 1 of the worst.

Couple that with a defense that hasn’t gotten to the QB nor has been producing turnovers and this is the largest contributor. Then we’re playing from behind, can’t keep the defense off the field and thus have to throw and can’t remain a balanced offense.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

No minus 2016 because He get a no credit for that . . since 2017 we have been his team . . . Numorous people have been kicked off this team and a lot of draft capital has been invested to acquire Dak friendly players. . . The offensive coordinator that played to the strengths of Dak and the offense was replaced but a Passing guru who has tried to showcase Dak . . .

This is now his team and it shows .

And as I said before Cowboys only beat 2 teams with 10 wins that year.

But I could care less I know what he is . . . its you delusional fans that Quote and Deny stats all day that play these word games

aha, you just said it...you want to look at his career...minus 2016, because it doesn't fit your agenda...so simply say I want to look at a sample of his work, not all of his work, so I can derive the stats I want..

why does he get blamed for 2017-2020 but not credit for 2016? ...why not blame Zeke and his fumbles for 2017-2020? why none of the other players? but just Dak.

you have an agenda to drive. I get it....so you spin things and dismiss what doesn't fit your argument and add stuff that does.....its typical.

and let me see is that the same OC who was mocked by all...are you talking about Linehan? that OC.....and are you talking about Moore...the OC with all of one year coaching experience being promoted to second most important position on coaching staff? yeah....those dont' matter. in fact those guys are geniuses....because it fits your argument...

so please continuing your spinning.

like I said, you should be running a front office scouting dept. with those eyes of yours.

 

[johneric8]

I look at stats in wins and losses and here is how Dak has done:


In 42 Wins Dak's stats: 880 of 1270 for a Comp % of 69.29% 10,748 Yards 76 TD's 11 INT's

In 27 Losses Dak's stats: 634 of 1023 for a Comp % of 61.97% 6,886 Yards 30 TD's 29 INT's


So for those who say Dak isn't to blame for losses how do you explain such a huge stat differential????

You Dak haters are insufferable...

Dak has off games like all qb's, where those losing efforts could of been been won with some decent adjustments and defensive effort ... The crazy numbers in what you call garbage time are because our defense put us behind the eight ball and were forced to go air raid. Keep in mind I recognize dak has had poor games, but all qb's have poor games but not all qb's have as many fantastic games as Dak does .... Most qb's have garbage time stats as well, it's a commonality.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

oh, I agree, cowboys offense had too many turnovers against Atlanta...all I said was zeke and schultz fumbled, but Dak gets the blame for those turnovers.

and against seahawks, dak had a bad start to start of 3rd quarter...but lets not forget seattle marches down and scores a TD on their second possession (no excuses for defense being tired). giving up a 43 yard TD....but I am sure Dak is to blame. then zeke falls in the end zone because pollard muffed the kick return, but I am sure Dak is to blame. he is supposed to saved everyone's arse and their mistake and when he doesn't its his fault. lets not forget it was 9-9 at the end of 1st quarter....seattle goes through dallas defense like a hot knife through butter and its 23-15.....
lets not forget on the 3rd quarter drive the OL couldn't hold and the it was a sack fumble....was him getting hit from behind and fumbling...but yeah, Dalton gets OL excuse for his piiss poor performance, but Dak gets blamed for lack of OL protection.

yeah, seattle rushed for 117 yards and wilson had 5 TD throws...but yeah, its Dak's fault...and yes, they were poor defenses. so what's zeke's excuses for those games? why did those guys fumble so much? but yeah, lets just close our eyes on those and put the microscope on Dak...

yeah, you have no agenda to drive. so yeah, cowboys offense lost those games...not just dak

I specifically said the Cowboy offense and Dak and Company. Dak leads the offense. He is the team leader. Team leaders get credit even when they don’t deserve it and get blame when they don’t deserve it.

I really have no agenda to drive. I am honest and open with my opinions. I honestly think both Dak and Elliott are mediocre to good players who benefitted tremendously by the best OL in 2016-2019. Dak has the heart of a champion and plays hard but has trouble reading defenses and accuracy issues at times. Elliott does not have the heart of a champion and the team would be better off with Pollard.

 

[USArmyVet]

You Dak haters are insufferable...

Dak has off games like all qb's, where those losing efforts could of been been won with some decent adjustments and defensive effort ... The crazy numbers in what you call garbage time are because our defense put us behind the eight ball and were forced to go air raid. Keep in mind I recognize dak has had poor games, but all qb's have poor games but not all qb's have as many fantastic games as Dak does .... Most qb's have garbage time stats as well, it's a commonality.

Funny how anyone that provides stats to question Dak is called a hater simply because you lack any intellectual ability to have an adult dialogue thereby resorting to childish name calling.

As for Dak having off games, of course all QB's have off games but the point of the stats were to show that not all blame can be placed on the defense, coaching, special teams, weather, field crew, referees, water boy, etc.

The fact your 'go to' is to blame the defense shows a bias defense of Dak. Just look at another post I did wherein I showed how on 5 offensive drives the Dak led offense could only muster 2 punts, 2 fumbles, and 1 turnover on downs with a 14-7 lead against the Browns last season directly relating to the Browns taking a commanding 38-14 lead as on those 5 possessions the Browns scored 4 TD's and 1 FG.

 

[DeaconMoss]

Give my regards to your boy Dak, the Garbage, and Field goal KING!!!!
Sell him all you want but remember folks have eyes and have seen his ineptness live and in living color!!!!
Ahhhh what's that smell????? Must be the 4th Q and were down by 20+ and Dak is moving the ball against another prevent Garbage time defense.....

I would love to see the cold hard facts. I wish there was some sort of way to pull up Daks stats vs starting defense and prevent defense. Or first half career stats vs second half.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I specifically said the Cowboy offense and Dak and Company. Dak leads the offense. He is the team leader. Team leaders get credit even when they don’t deserve it and get blame when they don’t deserve it.

I really have no agenda to drive. I am honest and open with my opinions. I honestly think both Dak and Elliott are mediocre to good players who benefitted tremendously by the best OL in 2016-2019. Dak has the heart of a champion and plays hard but has trouble reading defenses and accuracy issues at times. Elliott does not have the heart of a champion and the team would be better off with Pollard.

so in other words spin. you said offense and tied success and failure of offense to Dak..ookk, I get it, but what about Zeke fumble issues, against atlanta, seattle, etc..... he is the highest paid RB in the league. #4 draft pick....leader of the team (of sorts)...

you have shown your agenda, tie everything in any which way to Dak.....

btw, I am not defending Dak, I am pointing fingers at others for their short coming, which you have refused to do....

btw, one of the comments you hear from foes, coaches, players is Dak's ability to read defenses and adjust the offense....so again, seems you are using eye test, with a bias.

regardless, you are welcome to your opinion but I take it with a huge grain of salt, when NFL experts, who actually work in the NFL and played in the NFL all say the opposite...so not a hard decision to ignore and find faults with your assessment.

 

[johneric8]

Funny how anyone that provides stats to question Dak is called a hater simply because you lack any intellectual ability to have an adult dialogue thereby resorting to childish name calling.

As for Dak having off games, of course all QB's have off games but the point of the stats were to show that not all blame can be placed on the defense, coaching, special teams, weather, field crew, referees, water boy, etc.

The fact your 'go to' is to blame the defense shows a bias defense of Dak. Just look at another post I did wherein I showed how on 5 offensive drives the Dak led offense could only muster 2 punts, 2 fumbles, and 1 turnover on downs with a 14-7 lead against the Browns last season directly relating to the Browns taking a commanding 38-14 lead as on those 5 possessions the Browns scored 4 TD's and 1 FG.

Again, no name calling, but the fact that our cowboys have been a disaster from Jerry on down to the defense is the problem that ails our win column. The team has to believe, not just whatever side of the ball is feeling it that day. Again, I've said this in other threads, but it's obvious that so many of us are beaten down by Jerry over the years that we're forced to find another scapegoat and for many of you it's been Dak unfortunately.

 

[DandyDon52]

@coult44 just read this thread, you will see some of the most avid Dak haters.
I am not sure if all of them have posted here yet, as I will not read any further than the 1st page. And I just skimmed through it.

He had asked me in another thread about who the Dak haters are....so here is a great example...

you know jazz instead of Dak haters , I think a better term would be the anti daks.
people can be against or down on a player and at same time not hate them.
Hate is a strong word , you should avoid using it here.

The anti dak fans and what they post dont bother me at all, sometimes I enjoy reading it.
So I dont get why the pro dak fans get so upset lol.

 

[Qcard]

Dak actually was ‘lucky’ he got injured, because it got him the over-valued contract. It was yet that Martin got injured and the OL went into even further collapse mode. And Dak actually plays his worst call mid-season until the last meaningless games. His 2019 season, after the offense started off hot with the four wins, like usual, it got figured out and the offense went in a tail-spin and led the league in stats, such as most quarters without throwing a TD pass and Dak starter throwing everybody under the bus for not practicing hard.

Dallas had to completely adjust the offense to a quick pass attack with Dalton, because of how awful the OL was playing. On what planet has Dak showed in ability to run a quick, pass attack offense? That’s actually Dalton’s bread and butter.

Andy Dalton's Bread and Butter is Justin Fields

Andy Dalton hopes he never plays a down in Chicago because the Fans will see his Fake Bravado leadership and great arm wasted on a average leader....

 

[USArmyVet]

Again, no name calling, but the fact that our cowboys have been a disaster from Jerry on down to the defense is the problem that ails our win column. The team has to believe, not just whatever side of the ball is feeling it that day. Again, I've said this in other threads, but it's obvious that so many of us are beaten down by Jerry over the years that we're forced to find another scapegoat and for many of you it's been Dak unfortunately.

No name calling? LOL From the first line of your post: "You Dak haters are insufferable"

As for scapegoat, I personally point to the whole team but also view Dak for what he is, a player version of Jerry Jones that simply isn't getting the job done.

 

[NotForLong]

@coult44 just read this thread, you will see some of the most avid Dak haters.
I am not sure if all of them have posted here yet, as I will not read any further than the 1st page. And I just skimmed through it.

He had asked me in another thread about who the Dak haters are....so here is a great example...

Hater