NFL Team 4th Quarter Points/Game

[PAPPYDOG]

Dak actually was ‘lucky’ he got injured, because it got him the over-valued contract. It was yet that Martin got injured and the OL went into even further collapse mode. And Dak actually plays his worst call mid-season until the last meaningless games. His 2019 season, after the offense started off hot with the four wins, like usual, it got figured out and the offense went in a tail-spin and led the league in stats, such as most quarters without throwing a TD pass and Dak starter throwing everybody under the bus for not practicing hard.

Dallas had to completely adjust the offense to a quick pass attack with Dalton, because of how awful the OL was playing. On what planet has Dak showed in ability to run a quick, pass attack offense? That’s actually Dalton’s bread and butter.

Yep, that broken ankle got him paid and we are doomed for another 3-5 years. 666

 

[khiladi]

In fact, if Moore didn’t throw the game against the struggling Eagles by having Zeke line-up I’m the back-field and DeNucci lining up out-wide for half the season, they could have made the play-offs on that game alone by simply running behind Zach Martin. I mean despite giving them a league, we still almost won the game led by DeNucci. And then Dallas clearly decided to shelve their best player in Martin with 5 games to go, giving up on the play-offs.

if anybody was given a bad hand, but performed pretty admirably it was Dalton. He didn’t get the best OL and RG in the league for five years running to work with. I mean if CeeDee held onto the ball on a wide open pass against the Giants like on the second to last play, the Cowboys would have made the playoffs on Dalton making play after play.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Blah blah blah . . . I watch the game with my eyes but thank you for the "recap" of History through numbers

Lets take out that magical year . . . yes I will and yes I can.

His record becomes 7 - 18 against teams with a winning record. . . . Yikes
(Just to be clear we are talking about the second highest paid player in the History of the NFL) . . Yikes

Lets dissect the Numbers of the Magical Year
13-3

Teams with "Winning Record"
6-2

Teams with Losing Record
5-1

Teams 8-8
2-0
Amazing Numbers . . . so Pretty

Lets look closer

Of those "Winning teams" 2 were 9-7,and 2 were 8-7-1 it was actually the same team The Commanders . . . hardly what you would call Winning teams. . . .more like a notch above mediocrity. Add in 2 teams at 8-8

That year the Browns won 1 game, the 49ers won 2 games and Chicago won 3 games

Of the 13 wins only 2 came against quality teams 10 or more wins Steelers and Packers. . . in fact against teams with 10 or more Wins Cowboys were 2-2

ahhh, the classic eye test...got it....given your 18 years of NFL and 10 years analyst and scouting experience we should just roll with your eyes..

and I like making up stat approach...lets not facts get in the way...7-18 just reach back and pull it out of where sun don't shine...

and now be a good boy and compare that to QBs not names mahomes, brady and wilson. but I am sure you won't because it will defeat your agenda.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

In fact, if Moore didn’t throw the game against the struggling Eagles by having Zeke line-up I’m the back-field and DeNucci lining up out-wide for half the season, they could have made the play-offs on that game alone bu simply running behind Zach Martin. And then Dallas clearly decided to shelve their best player in Martin with 5 games to go, giving up on the play-offs.

Linda knows all about what is going on in Big D.....

 

[NotForLong]

The bold is certainly true. My point, though, was the offense didn't exactly help matters at times in 2020. Go back and watch the first 5 games in 2020 and count the number of times the offense left the defense in poor positions.

Dak has a tendency to have slow starts, and sometimes, not all the time, this leads to deficits that have to be overcome. Sometimes the deficits are pretty significant. What happens is the offense then has to rely on the passing game to catch up and this is when Dak piles up his stats.

In 2019 Jameis Winston finished as the #1 overall QB. Care to know how that happened? Same as it is for Dak, who finished #2. Winston isn't an elite QB because he finished #1, and neither was Dak at #2.

This has a direct result on Zeke's performance and output . . . Early deficits and slow starts have caused the Cowboys to abandon the Running Game . .

 

[NotForLong]

The good news is our QB and team is good enough to dominate lesser and average teams. Not sure why we expect this team to beat better teams and QB’s?

We shouldn’t equate elite or greatness with our QB’s contract. Often franchise QB’s are paid “ market price”.

A new or extended contract doesn’t necessarily represent a pecking order or ranking in the league.

So sad but true . . . thankfully we have Lamb, Gallup, Diggs and Persons . . . the future is bright.

I believe if you build a team with elite linemen and wide receivers then the RB & QB are interchangeable.

You win with Young QB on their Rookie contract or with Seasoned veterans that become hired guns. . .

So hopefully the Cowboys invest some high draft picks in some young Blood on the O Line and after the next 2-3 years this Soap Opera should be over and we can start expecting more from the Cowboys

 

[NotForLong]

ahhh, the classic eye test...got it....given your 18 years of NFL and 10 years analyst and scouting experience we should just roll with your eyes..

and I like making up stat approach...lets not facts get in the way...7-18 just reach back and pull it out of where sun don't shine...

and now be a good boy and compare that to QBs not names mahomes, brady and wilson. but I am sure you won't because it will defeat your agenda.

I never said Eye Test . . . I am referencing that I judge Dak on what I see . . . i never use stats.

In fact the 1st time I ever used stats are in this thread. . .

If I say I judge by what my eyes see. . . I mean just that.

Now if you are the same and we are coming to different conclusions that means one of us is blind.

I will not accuse you but I believe you may be one of those Dak Fans that use each and every stat to describe and or justify Dak as a QB.

Which is not talking Football its dissecting a corpse

 

[NotForLong]

Yep. Would have been a lot higher in 2020 if he played all season.

He's a Fraud with a capital F.

 

[Diehardblues]

So sad but true . . . thankfully we have Lamb, Gallup, Diggs and Persons . . . the future is bright.

I believe if you build a team with elite linemen and wide receivers then the RB & QB are interchangeable.

You win with Young QB on their Rookie contract or with Seasoned veterans that become hired guns. . .

So hopefully the Cowboys invest some high draft picks in some young Blood on the O Line and after the next 2-3 years this Soap Opera should be over and we can start expecting more from the Cowboys

There’s always a glimmer of hope but I don’t expect our franchise to seriously contend for a championship as long as our dysfunctional ownership stranglehold’s football operations.

As we saw in Romo era this is probably about as good as it gets . Cause even if we land some talent we will mismanage it, not have proper coaching and ultimately the culture isn’t bred for success.

 

[NotForLong]

@PAPPYDOG Throw back Classic Dak Hate .....Look at this gem from July 14 2018

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/dak-extinction.409029/

Yes this is the Age of Dak-Extinction......and how extensive and damaging it will be still remains a work in progress.

1. We lost a Franchise QB (Romo) - THIS IS WHY @PAPPYDOG HATES DAK.....Dak Benched Romo's Overrated Career

2.We lost a # 1 Wr in Dez ( Say what you will he demanded Double coverage) - Hello Amari Cooper

3' We lost a HOF TE who retired against his wishes knowing Dak just cant get the job done. - BUT WITTEN CAME BACK

4.We have lost our "Passing game" which is now a dink and dunk affair and the most predictable offense in the NFL. We are now a College offense they say its Dak-friendly..... - GOAL POST SHIFT ......ENDZONE IS NOW THE LATEST SHIFT

5.We signed Fleming T and drafted Williams G to accommodate Dak's weaknesses instead of shoring up the defense. - So this NOT Tony Romo's TEam anymore??

6.Zeke will be cooked withing 3 years with Dak at QB due to over usage....and GL finding another Zeke! - Zeke is having the BEST Off-season & Training Camp of his Career

7.Without a QB who defenses do not fear our offense showed last season what it ultimate destiny is a anemic affair of 3rd and outs or at best a FG.... - Dallas Made the Play-offs


8.With so many flaws at QB for Dak we run the risk of wasting more valuable years waiting for him to develop while every other player are getting older and losing a step or having there contract expire. - $40M per year 4yrs $160M

9.Dak no matter how many stats or excuses some post here will always be a bench player at best and by the time he's benched will have left our Cowboys in shambles......HATE HATE HATE


10.The Dallas Wall Myth..... 1 injury and the most feared and famous Dallas Wall came crashing down! Get real Boys fan as Zeke will be stopped and then our offense is at the mercy of Dak...OMG....

1989 is closer than most of you here think......

Closer to 1989@PAPPYDOG 3 years later HATE FAIL

All Truth. . . . & you are a Hater

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I never said Eye Test . . . I am referencing that I judge Dak on what I see . . . i never use stats.

In fact the 1st time I ever used stats are in this thread. . .

If I say I judge by what my eyes see. . . I mean just that.

Now if you are the same and we are coming to different conclusions that means one of us is blind.

I will not accuse you but I believe you may be one of those Dak Fans that use each and every stat to describe and or justify Dak as a QB.

Which is not talking Football its dissecting a corpse

so you judge dak by what you see with your eyes = eye test.....LOL....this was full spin mode....

when was the last time you went to the eye doctor? perhaps you still saw Dalton and thought it was Dak LOL

 

[NotForLong]

and I like making up stat approach...lets not facts get in the way...7-18 just reach back and pull it out of where sun don't shine...

Its your stat "he is 13-20 against teams with a winning record"
Minus 2016 6-2 (because Zeke and the O-line gets all the credit for that year)

And if you refer back to my quote you will see 2016 Cowboys were only 2-2 against teams with 10 wins

 

[NotForLong]

There’s always a glimmer of hope but I don’t expect our franchise to seriously contend for a championship as long as our dysfunctional ownership stranglehold’s football operations.

As we saw in Romo era this is probably about as good as it gets . Cause even if we land some talent we will mismanage it, not have proper coaching and ultimately the culture isn’t bred for success.

Not for Nothing but Jerry may be gone before Dak

 

[NotForLong]

like usual, it got figured out and the offense went in a tail-spin and led the league in stats, such as most quarters without throwing a TD pass and Dak starter throwing everybody under the bus for not practicing hard.

Some leader . . . I never understood why he gets that label. . . He has been throwing people under the Bus since Dez and the Seattle Game

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Its your stat "he is 13-20 against teams with a winning record"
Minus 2016 6-2 (because Zeke and the O-line gets all the credit for that year)

And if you refer back to my quote you will see 2016 Cowboys were only 2-2 against teams with 10 wins

so minus 2016, minus games played in the afternoon, plus games played on grass east of the rockies, minus games on NBC and excluding those that were played when temprature was below 55...got it!!!

how convenient.....

and this is exactly what dak-bashers do...everybody else gets credit for wins...he gets credit for all the losses...I have said this multiple times before...tell me I am lying...because this is what you just said.

"because Zeke and the O-line gets all the credit for that year"

 

[NotForLong]

In fact, if Moore didn’t throw the game against the struggling Eagles by having Zeke line-up I’m the back-field and DeNucci lining up out-wide for half the season, they could have made the play-offs on that game alone by simply running behind Zach Martin. I mean despite giving them a league, we still almost won the game led by DeNucci. And then Dallas clearly decided to shelve their best player in Martin with 5 games to go, giving up on the play-offs.

if anybody was given a bad hand, but performed pretty admirably it was Dalton. He didn’t get the best OL and RG in the league for five years running to work with. I mean if CeeDee held onto the ball on a wide open pass against the Giants like on the second to last play, the Cowboys would have made the playoffs on Dalton making play after play.

Truth. . . . its amazing such a performance by Dalton a Dallas Cowboy can be desecrated for no other reason then to prop up Dak

 

[NotForLong]

so you judge dak by what you see with your eyes = eye test.....LOL....this was full spin mode....

when was the last time you went to the eye doctor? perhaps you still saw Dalton and thought it was Dak LOL

Still not a test . . . just watching Football and talking about what I see I have been doing this for 35 years

Did you see this? . . or Nah
Because this Fan watches football

In fact, if Moore didn’t throw the game against the struggling Eagles by having Zeke line-up I’m the back-field and DeNucci lining up out-wide for half the season, they could have made the play-offs on that game alone by simply running behind Zach Martin. I mean despite giving them a league, we still almost won the game led by DeNucci. And then Dallas clearly decided to shelve their best player in Martin with 5 games to go, giving up on the play-offs.

if anybody was given a bad hand, but performed pretty admirably it was Dalton. He didn’t get the best OL and RG in the league for five years running to work with. I mean if CeeDee held onto the ball on a wide open pass against the Giants like on the second to last play, the Cowboys would have made the playoffs on Dalton making play after play.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

I call this a mild spin.

I actually did the excercise and the cleveland and atlanta games come to mind on turnovers. but not rams, not seattle and not the giants. and I find it interesting you mention Dak but not zeke or schultz for their fumbles in the games in the first half....I also did the same excercise for scoring in the first half and it was average to above average, but defense couldn't/didn't make any stops....so the tendency is to say we had slow starts. scoring 14 in the first half is not a slow start. giving up 31 is. being up 14-7 at the end of first quarter is not a slow start. so we can't say it was a slow start because the offense didn't score 31.....to keep up.....

and Jamies finished #1 in passing yards.....not the #1 QB.....

all you said is I acknowledge defense was historically bad, but I still want to blame Dak...nobody else on the offense bears responsibility...

Cowboy offense gifted the Falcons 24 points. The Cowboy offense gifted the Seahawks 14 points. It was 16-15 near the end of the 1st half. Cowboys fumbled in their territory and Seahawks got a TD. Dak starts the 3rd quarter with an interception in Cowboy territory. Score is now 30-15.

Bear in mind, Dak and the Cowboy offense was playing two putrid defenses in Atlanta and Seattle. Two defenses which were worse than the Cowboy defense. The Seattle defense lost Adams for half (?) the game.

Had Dak and the offense just played average, those two games were easy victories. The Cowboy offense ‘lost’ those games.

 

[NotForLong]

Dak actually was ‘lucky’ he got injured, because it got him the over-valued contract. It was yet that Martin got injured and the OL went into even further collapse mode. And Dak actually plays his worst call mid-season until the last meaningless games. His 2019 season, after the offense started off hot with the four wins, like usual, it got figured out and the offense went in a tail-spin and led the league in stats, such as most quarters without throwing a TD pass and Dak starter throwing everybody under the bus for not practicing hard.

Dallas had to completely adjust the offense to a quick pass attack with Dalton, because of how awful the OL was playing. On what planet has Dak showed in ability to run a quick, pass attack offense? That’s actually Dalton’s bread and butter.

@CowboysFaninHouston
Did you happen to witness any of this . . .

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Still not a test . . . just watching Football and talking about what I see I have been doing this for 35 years

Did you see this? . . or Nah
Because this Fan watches football

like I said, your expert eye test of watching football. why you are not running a NFL front office scouting department is beyond me.....

that's classic definition of an eye test.